Plague Fire vs Terror

daswooly

How do these enchants compare head to head? I've read some things about Plague fire being nerfed, but was the tooltip never adjusted? From my reading it seems like GPF is 45% defense reduction vs. Terror's 20% defense reduction. Is this wrong?

EDIT: Found the information myself, mods can delete this thread.

rabbinicus

Since PF enchants aren't going to be available anymore, Terror is going to be the way to go. It's a consistent reduction rather than a combination of DoT and stacking. If you're geared enough to one-shot/two-shot some enemies then GPF is less useful. Dealing with more powerful enemies the GPF is still going to be superior.

dkcandy

GPF is a 3% damage increase per stack for 9% damage increase with a DoT.

GPF > Terror after stacks.

I'm guessing that Terror will be a 5% damage increase but will need a player with a perfect to test.

frarii

Dkandy try Perfect Bronzewood... is insane you dont do more dps, but is like an agro magnet, marking all the mobs with enhaced threat as a passive, and not a single mob attacks the party anymore, doesnt matter what they do, the mobs ignore the party and attack you so much fun.

Tip: Don't try this at home undergeared/unskilled GFs, the amount of agro is barely manageable if you know what you're doing and simply overwhelming if you dont, so unless you're a good player, this is not for you.

dkcandy

Frarii - How much damage is the P.Enchant doing per hit? 80ish? Life Drinker did the same thing because of the heal aggro.

ayroux

dkcandy wrote: »

GPF is a 3% damage increase per stack for 9% damage increase with a DoT.

GPF > Terror after stacks.

I'm guessing that Terror will be a 5% damage increase but will need a player with a perfect to test.

Terror will be BiS for GFs in PVP (you can argue P vorp too). In PVE it wont be quite as good.

GPF stacks dont work like most think. If you are "cleaving" by the time your third cleave hits and applies the third GPF stack, if you dont cleave immediately, your FIRST stack of GPF will fall off almost immediately dropping you back to two stacks.

Only CONSTANT attacking will keep the GPF debuff active which at max potential is 45% defense reduction - applies to anyone attacking the target as well.

Terror is more DAMAGE from enchant, since its necrotic over fire(?), however the "armor ignored" I believe is ONLY for your swings and not an actual debuff. So again its great for PVP since there is no "down time" or "build up" required.

But in PVE its going to be WAY less effective than GPF.


Most groups will have atleast (or should have atleast) 1 person with GPF, Since they dont stack as most know, a Terror would then get an additive bonus and if it works like GPF, you will go WELL into the negatives which is a HUGE DPS boost.

So ideally a GWF seems like a great candidate for Terror, highest weapon damage and melee range only means that it doesnt require build up.

Trs have so much crit and such low weap damage, no point. DCs, heal bots dont need explaining, CWs it can be ok, although because of DoTs that refresh GPF GPF would proabably out perform...

It is a very intriguing enchant though and think it has good merits.

frarii

The Enchant does not add direct damage, ignores 16% of targets defense, but the key is the threat generation, as every mob you hit gets marked, is not an enchant for top dps charts, but is obviously ridiculous for party protection purposes, just try it, is hard to explain during last 6-8 weeks i've been playing on autopilot because well, game at high end dungeons with skilled/known players is easy, after switching to bronze... im having sooooo much fun!!! its awesome runing malabog and watching the rest of the party at 100% health all the time!

Edit: I switched from Lifedrinker, and prior to that GPF... and they play in minor leagues... seriously, both, GPF and Lifedrinker are awesome, but bronzewood is sick, is like suicide mode... so much fun

kaylos29

frarii wrote: »

The Enchant does not add direct damage, ignores 16% of targets defense, but the key is the threat generation, as every mob you hit gets marked, is not an enchant for top dps charts, but is obviously ridiculous for party protection purposes, just try it, is hard to explain during last 6-8 weeks i've been playing on autopilot because well, game at high end dungeons with skilled/known players is easy, after switching to bronze... im having sooooo much fun!!! its awesome runing malabog and watching the rest of the party at 100% health all the time!

Edit: I switched from Lifedrinker, and prior to that GPF... and they play in minor leagues... seriously, both, GPF and Lifedrinker are awesome, but bronzewood is sick, is like suicide mode... so much fun

My testing put Bronzewood right at 8% dmg increase with a regular. Kind of like how the Tide of Iron debuff adds 10% damage due to lowering targets damage resistance. I am still not sure I understand lower defense vs lowering damage resistance. SotS says it ignores 45% of defense, but instead lowers damage resistance 15% with a full stack. I was able to test it on myself when restoring strike was bugged to put it on yourself. Even with over 50% resistance, one stack of SotS increased the mobs damage on me.

silveralucard

well seems that GPF is bugged, however as they mention terror should be better for single target and burst damage, and GPF is better for long non stop hitting battles.

with timeless set vorpal is the best equip you can get for having high DPS

dkcandy

silveralucard wrote: »

well seems that GPF is bugged, however as they mention terror should be better for single target and burst damage, and GPF is better for long non stop hitting battles.

with timeless set vorpal is the best equip you can get for having high DPS

Actually timeless has nothing to do with it. Once you reach 20%+ CRT chance Greater/Perfect Vorpal does more damage.

If you are running just timeless with no additional CRT you would be better off with GPF.

silveralucard

well with timeless you nromally reach 20% of crit some times even more, so the damage really increase a lot.

and since GPF seems broken now terror should be the other option