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parmezana1
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I am a maxed 60lvl CW, T1 full set, not so decent enchantments as I am lacking AD and playing as an Oppressor.
As I've seen those 2 months I am playing Neverwinter, there aren't many Oppressors, as CWs prefer to choose Renegade or Thaumaturge feats.
I decided to respec but I am so satisfied with my Oppressor, that it is all I needed. Some survivability, some damage, the ability to twitch the nerves of some players in PvP as my control is at maximum, the ability to protect the priest of my team or assisting a player that is rushing to capture a point or even surviving long enough to defend a point until a team mate comes to me to help.
What I really don't understand is why people do not choose to play as an Oppressor.
I've read here that an Oppressor is useless in terms of PvE in Dungeons, as Bosses are immune to them and as their damage is not as high as a Thaumaturge's or Renegade's, the Oppressor is not much chosen.
Discuss please.
As I've seen those 2 months I am playing Neverwinter, there aren't many Oppressors, as CWs prefer to choose Renegade or Thaumaturge feats.
I decided to respec but I am so satisfied with my Oppressor, that it is all I needed. Some survivability, some damage, the ability to twitch the nerves of some players in PvP as my control is at maximum, the ability to protect the priest of my team or assisting a player that is rushing to capture a point or even surviving long enough to defend a point until a team mate comes to me to help.
What I really don't understand is why people do not choose to play as an Oppressor.
I've read here that an Oppressor is useless in terms of PvE in Dungeons, as Bosses are immune to them and as their damage is not as high as a Thaumaturge's or Renegade's, the Oppressor is not much chosen.
Discuss please.
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"With the force of Wind and Ice , I shall rise..."
"With the force of Wind and Ice , I shall rise..."
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You've answered your own question. They are not useless, they just do a bit less well than the other paths.
"With the force of Wind and Ice , I shall rise..."
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If Chill stacks could be better maintained without vanishing from frozen mobs and bosses that would be great for Oppressor.
Oppressor is amazing for CC, and you don't sacrifice that much damage, since there are some good dps buffs in oppressor too. I'm using the new eye of the storm + storm spell, and picked my heroic feats to do more damage, that makes a good mix. People saying oppressor is terrible in pve haven't tried it yet, so you can ignore them if you enjoy your build.
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The key is: Ray of Frost. God, how much OP this ability is. Most wizards dont realize how much, because they read tooltip, see how low its damage and think "f__k it, i better go AM". Ability damage is lower in fact, but Ray of Frost has highest proc rate of all at-wills, up to x2.5 times higher than AM. U gain x2.5 more AP with it, your Storm Spell proc x2.5 more often (mean per second, not per tick of damage), Eye of the Storm procs significantly more often (buff up-time: 35% of time on RoF vs 20% of time on AM), etc.
I suggest you to try it and see by yourself xD
Well, bad part: opressor slightly sucks in pve in terms of raw damage dealing and buffing party/debuffing monsters, compared to 2 other paths (CC part is just exactly the same, or slightly higher). Denying it, means you are either stubborn, ignorant or just stupid person.
P.S.
I hope RoF proc rate is intended and not a bug, if they nerf it, i fu___ing quit=/
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So, you aren't using MM in PvP? I didn't really understand. I am using it a lot, I thought about using Chill Cloud instead of RoF, but it seemed not a good idea to me.
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I am consistently #1 dps in most instances including malabog, Karrundax or the new Skirmish. The only times i get out dps-ed is when there is a 12k+ rogue with at least a greater vorpal. And my CW is under 11k GS and i have no weapon enchantment, so it could be even better. Am i "stupid" or stubborn", according to you?
And my CC isn't the same or "slightly higher", it's clearly higher, because i learnt to make Alacrity proc.
Well, i'd say its a classic example of what i call "stupid", but it'd be unreasonably offensive.
Being #1 dps doesnt mean Opressor is good for pve, it just means you are a good player yourself: timing your rotation good, using right encounters, properly position yourself, etc (and, possibly, wearing good gear). Im also #1 mostly, even with 10k GS
Its just a common f__king sence, look at deep thaumaturge and renegade feats: Frozen Power Transfer, Assailing Force, Phantasmal Destruction, Chaos Magic. While, on the other hand, there are no damage buffing feats in Opressor, except Controlled Momentum, which is really sweet, but still not a real competitor. How hard is it to realize you would do more damage in exact same situation, while having those feats?
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Keep in mind, my Oppressor Spec is mainly for PVP. I never use any other At-Will besides Ray of Frost in PVP. Perhaps Storm Pillar to stack AP while I'm waiting on a node? With Glacial Movement feat, freezing enemies is so fast.
So yes, only Ray of Frost.
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Yes yes i know, but my point was different. It's indeed a matter of gear and rotations, a build is only a variation on that. Oppressor is still very competitive in pve, damage-wise, as long as the CW isn't played by a single handed monkey.
Oppressor is nice, Ive only played around with it on a test shard back a while ago, It has some nice tricks but in PvE it doesnt bring anything more to the table.
I also think any wizard using ice storm in pve should just go and DIE!!!!!
sorry, little bit of rage got out there.
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
So, in short, only reason it worth to try playing opressor - its effin fun
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And I attest to the effectiveness of Ray of Frost. It's just so d*mn good. Stacks Chill so quickly that I can't imagine how fun/fast it would be once I get Glacial Movement. I love Ray of Frost, and as my first CW I believe I'll be swearing by Ray of Frost for a long time as my main at-will. Magic Missile definitely deals more damage, but the Control one gets from Ray of Frost far outweighs any damage Magic Missile can do in my opinion. And now I'm just itching to try out if it's possible to permafreeze mobs via Steal Time + Icy Terrain with the finalized build I have in mind. Oppressors should get a bit more spotlight in my opinion. I main as a TR and I'm fairly surprised that there aren't too many detailed Oppressor builds yet.
And Oppressors can only get better once this paragon path hits the game.
Just imagine how sweet Critical Conflagration is with Swath of Destruction. The duration of Rimefire is refreshed by chill effects which means we'll almost always get Rimefire on our targets provided we critically hit.
But then again these skills are still open to changes.
Nothing for mobs but you're welcome to check out Fruitloop's Twitch PVP videos. He's good and show's how an Oppressor spec can really own in PVP.
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Looks like warlock stuff to me, chill might be a placeholder for the new class mechanics. Easy. CW = ice, warlock = fire. What is smolder by the way?
This is conjecture, but Smolder is apparently a condition you can apply on an enemy with certain spells. It appears to be a fire-based damage over time mechanic.
We have no mention of "Smolder stacks" so far, so it may not be a cumulative damage-over-time thing. What we do have is the mention of the Rimefire Aspect, which will apparently contribute to refreshing the duration of the Smolder condition. So, you'd apply a Smolder-enabled spell, and then whichever cold-stacking power you'd then use would not only place cold-stacks on the target, but also help keep Smolder going.
The Swath of Destruction class feature appears to increase the damage-over-time you'd get from the Smolder condition, so, if you have a build in which you actively pursue smolder-chill-rimefire, those DoTs are probably going to 'burn' harder.
Whereas Critical Confraglation will let any non-smolder-capable powers (basically, all the non-fire ones) apply the Smolder condition if they score a critical hit with them. You also gain more Critical Severity (so whenever you score a critical hit, it will also hurt more than normal).
Combustive Action lets any Daily power assuredly bestow the Smolder condition, and for a short time afterwards Smolder damage and any power using Fire will hurt more.
When the Fire Mage Paragon comes out, it's going to be extremely OP.
Everyone will respec and rush to the class.
Cryptic will nerf it once they've gotten everyone's money.
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