Suggestion for racial change tokens

shrivana

With the addition of Drow, Moon elves, and High Elves (aka sun elves), it is rather unfortunate
that there is no way to alter already made characters into the new races.

It should be possible for players to change already fully developed characters into races that
have become available over time or to change for stat benefits.

This is a request for cryptic to develop a token similar to the respect token that allows a player
to alter the race of their respective character. Like the respect token it could be bought using Zen.

soulwhisp

I dont get it why they didnt impelented this already, they would make a fortune out of zen, so i dont get it!
This is something that has to be done, i have already 5 chars with 5 class. And now there is 2 new free race! Now i cant use them? Then it means that there is no new thing for me in expansion? Only for fresh players?

goddessunique

+1 to race change token.

shrivana

soulwhisp wrote: »

I dont get it why they didnt impelented this already, they would make a fortune out of zen, so i dont get it!
This is something that has to be done, i have already 5 chars with 5 class. And now there is 2 new free race! Now i cant use them? Then it means that there is no new thing for me in expansion? Only for fresh players?

That is exactly what I thought. I was sure they would implement something during the new expansion but when I noticed they didn't I thought it would be best to make a thread to discuss and show interest in this idea. When so many other games offer this feature it is strange that Neverwinter does not.

The only way to gain the full experience for you would be to make a new account and if you have the expansion pack that only locks onto one account so you'll have to pick between your 5 or your new 2 on who gets the mount and companion. Doesn't really work that way, at least not for the consumer.

shrivana

goddessunique wrote: »

+1 to race change token.

Glad to see other players agree.

marlz

while were at it, a racial trait and dice roll respec would be nice, as would be any official word on the matter, but meh i guess PWE likes the fact the spare cash i have had of lately goes now pretty much directly into buying games off steam and then the DLC's, as i get to KEEP what i pay for and KNOW what i am paying for.

bratzinator

Not only would a race change token make sense when new races are released but also for people that get their ability mechanic turned over like the CON based guardian fighters after the failed stalwart bulwark rework. Especially for the ability points a race respec token would be awesome. As of now the game only allows to distribute the points you get at level 10, 20, 40 and 50 (30 and 60 offer you no choice), which unfortunately are rather unimportant compared to the initial stat roll and the racial stat bonus.

whoregut

AND, racial tokens could be sold for Zen making PW more money.

I do wonder why
ambisinisterr,
azlanfox,
darklock101,
sedryntyros
all voted no.

shrivana

marlz wrote: »

while were at it, a racial trait and dice roll respec would be nice, as would be any official word on the matter, but meh i guess PWE likes the fact the spare cash i have had of lately goes now pretty much directly into buying games off steam and then the DLC's, as i get to KEEP what i pay for and KNOW what i am paying for.

I think the respect token comes with Dice roll respec as well but yeah, if you were to change your race you would most likely have to re-roll your dice roll since each race comes with certain racial bonuses.

shrivana

*****gut wrote: »

AND, racial tokens could be sold for Zen making PW more money.

I do wonder why
ambisinisterr,
azlanfox,
darklock101,
sedryntyros
all voted no.

So do I, if people are against this idea they should explain why. Just because it doesn't fit your style of game play doesn't mean it shouldn't be put into the game.

ravin

I'm usually against this in other games, but because of the amount of new races added over a short period of time, I agree with this or a re-class token. My original TR survived Caturday, and did the first events, so I don't want to delete him, but he'll be ignored now in favor of my Drow TR.

ambisinisterr

shrivana wrote: »

So do I, if people are against this idea they should explain why. Just because it doesn't fit your style of game play doesn't mean it shouldn't be put into the game.

I detest the idea of respecs and all stat changing token nonsense. If was in power none of them would be in the game. Period. So be thankful I'm not because I'd make this game for the same players which I played NWN with for seven years.

This poll did not ask whether the general public wanted these options, obviously the MMO crowd tends to want the gimme now option. The poll asked whether I want them in the game. I don't. Never will. A hundred years from now I will curse any option passed re-leveling.

And while the general public may want tokens and may even benefit from them it by no means dictates I should want them.

They are an abomination to my definition of D&D. They go against everything D&D should stand for. They shouldn't be in this game.
Yet they probably will end up in the game at some point no matter how much I hate them.

somedoge

ambisinisterr wrote: »

I detest the idea of respecs and all stat changing token nonsense. If was in power none of them would be in the game. Period. So be thankful I'm not because I'd make this game for the same players that played NWN with for seven years.

This poll did not ask whether the general public wanted these options, obviously the MMO crowd tends to want the gimme now option. The poll asked whether I want them in the game. I don't. Never will. A hundred years from now I will curse them.
And while the general public may want tokens and may even benefit from them it by no means dictates I should want them.

They are an abomination to my definition of D&D. They go against everything D&D should stand for. They shouldn't be in this game.
Yet they probably will end up in the game at some point no matter how much I hate them.

You're so quick to be everything about D&D, yet you find this game to be satisfactory enough to moderate it's forums? I'm positive that a race change token isn't going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back in D&D lore.

faeriestorm

somedoge wrote: »

You're so quick to be everything about D&D, yet you find this game to be satisfactory enough to moderate it's forums? I'm positive that a race change token isn't going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back in D&D lore.

so you you got reincarnated by a druid last time you died and now you are a different race? That still makes sense within the context of D&D lore :P

somedoge

faeriestorm wrote: »

so you you got reincarnated by a druid last time you died and now you are a different race? That still makes sense within the context of D&D lore :P

There you go ambisinisterr, an effin' wizard did it. Just like D&D.

faeriestorm

somedoge wrote: »

There you go ambisinisterr, an effin' wizard did it. Just like D&D.

Not a wizard, a druid. If a wizard did it you would be the same race, but when a druid reincarnates someone their race changes.

ambisinisterr

It doesn't matter how you justify race change or respecs. I think they are awful mechanics and should never exist in a D&D Campaign. Nothing you or anybody else will ever say anything which will change that opinion.

You can want it all you want. I will not want it all I want.

Let's not make this an argument. The poll asked for a vote. I vote hell no regardless of what the MMO players want or how some of the less adventurous D&D Players justify it.

somedoge

ambisinisterr wrote: »

It doesn't matter how you justify race change or respecs.

But.. but.. magic and stuff.

Now while you are trying to avoid and argument I will give you such. Instead I offer you a discussion.

D&D, while it has a very strict baseline (which this game fails to adhere to IMO, that's off topic), is about using your imagination to fuel an adventure. Why put a limit on that? If a druid morphs me into a Tiefling or a wizard accesses my mind and trains me in 20 years of Karate over the course of 15 minutes, what is wrong with that? Albeit mages of such power would undoubtedly be rare and charge a lot for their services.; they should still be roaming around somewhere.

Role Play versus Roll Play?

ambisinisterr

It's not a matter of lore. It's a matter of principle and what I expect from D&D Gameplay.

Not a single NWN Server I played on allowed any form of respecing. If you messed up you messed up.
The same rules existed on my own NWN Servers.
And the same rules apply in my Pen and Paper campaign.

Want to make a new character? Go for it! Want to die and cause yourself to lose levels? Your funeral.

But under no circumstances will you be going "oops I made a mistake" and not expected to pay an arm and a leg in order to correct it.


The only thing which comes close to justifying them in this game is the bound item rules. That I do feel for...but only enough to make the race change token change your race by reducing your level to one.

somedoge

Well that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. My opinion is that there are two players in the world of D&D.

Role-players, the free-spirited "Anything can happen in the fantasy world" type; and Roll-players, the hardcore by the "pre-established rules only" type.

This is by no means a D&D game. Just because there's a foundry does not mean we have as much freedom as we should. Then again that is my opinion and this is a F2P-model Chinese owned game. WoTC let me down on this one, honestly.

Nevertheless I voted for race change tokens although I don't like the "token in the slot and now you're a halfling" method.

enderlin50

<likes> +1 And beyond

shrivana

Whoa, guys!

I just wanted the opinions of those who are not for this suggestion. Whatever their reasons I completely respect them. While I agree it would be cool to have an all DnD styled MMO that isn't Neverwinter, close as it may be. Thank you for explaining why you are for / against though. It's always nice to hear feedback. But since this game already has respect tokens why not take it to races as well.

whoregut

Race respec tokens for Zen. Zen = money. Money makes the game move on. Hmm, don't see the harm here. Given if you made your toon before a race came out, ouch.

ANY game will die if there isn't a system that doesn't have an option to fix or change something as important as skills, talents or race. Do you want the game to die, ambisinisterr?

I have to ask our "Basement Purist" ambisinisterr something. IF a patch comes out and mechanics are changed, shouldn't people be allowed to respec? In your eyes the respec is BAD. As bad as pedophilia. However, the talents you picked are now changed and do not work the same way. Now what do you do? Make a whole new character and start all over again?

wayward02

I said the same thing in a similar thread on this topic about a month or more ago. When it comes to things being added when it doesn't effect the game play it makes no sense to argue about not allowing it. I can guarantee that the people who jump in and do this have something they also want put into the game that i don't NEED. But that doesn't mean i would jump into a thread they make and make a case to not allow them to get something that they think would improve their style of playing because that is selfish. I would polity tell the devs to let them have it or i wouldn't talk about it at all as it being in game doesn't effect me, i myself just wouldn't use it. Its just like new companions in the store. Im sure hundreds of people love getting new ones. While i don't but im not going to cry about it and tell them to stop giving them to the people who want them. Because its not my place to say they are not allowed to have something just because i don't need it.

With that said i voted yes even if i never use a race change token.

bratzinator

ambisinisterr wrote: »

It's not a matter of lore. It's a matter of principle and what I expect from D&D Gameplay.

Want to make a new character? Go for it! Want to die and cause yourself to lose levels? Your funeral. But under no circumstances will you be going "oops I made a mistake" and not expected to pay an arm and a leg in order to correct it.

The only thing which comes close to justifying them in this game is the bound item rules. That I do feel for...but only enough to make the race change token change your race by reducing your level to one.

I think starting again at level 1 would not hurt too much when you could also redo the quests... and it would also fit to what the others said about being reborn/reincarnated. Anyway there will be probably no lore around it when racial change tokens make it into the game. There is no hypnotist that lets you forget your past if you respec, nor is there an alchemist brewing you a potion of forgetting, its just a "respec token" you can buy without standing even next to a merchant that would sell it to you - no lore about it and i dont think there will be lore implemented when a new token makes it into the shop.

I think its good that there are respec tokens however in neverwinter online, as skills get changed from time to time, for the situations where it is not "oops i made a mistake", but when its the programmers who feel like they made a mistake in making certain skills too strong or too weak and readjust them.

ravin

ambisinisterr wrote: »

It's not a matter of lore. It's a matter of principle and what I expect from D&D Gameplay.

Not a single NWN Server I played on allowed any form of respecing. If you messed up you messed up.
The same rules existed on my own NWN Servers.
And the same rules apply in my Pen and Paper campaign.

Want to make a new character? Go for it! Want to die and cause yourself to lose levels? Your funeral.

But under no circumstances will you be going "oops I made a mistake" and not expected to pay an arm and a leg in order to correct it.


The only thing which comes close to justifying them in this game is the bound item rules. That I do feel for...but only enough to make the race change token change your race by reducing your level to one.

Your views on respecing are slightly skewed. First, this is not Neverwinter Nights, not even based on it. It is not outside the realm of reality, of which this game is also not based, to retrain into a new job or role. If I, as a Sgt in the Army (I'm not, just an example,) no longer wishes to be a Food Service Specialist, I can re-train to be a tank mechanic without losing rank. So that's how I justify respecing.

Also, this game is very loosely based on D&D.

ambisinisterr

The game has a D&D brand name on it.

That's all I need to know to say race changes shouldn't be added.
They probably will no matter how much I don't want them.
That doesn't mean there is any reason to change my view on it.

I'll deal with them when they are added but I will not condone their incorporation. I will not request it. And I will speak against it's inclusion until the day the abomination arrives.

angelxeye

I would buy one and I would guess they would be even more popular if you can also change class- especially when ranger comes out.
And if there is a no to total respec- when can we duo class?

mrspuma

I vote no. Because:

-- I'm a bit old-skool - if you want to play a new race, you should create a new chr. Everyone always says how fast/easy it is to level in this game, so what's the big deal. This isn't a game where it takes 6 months to max a chr. A few days to a few weeks, depending on free time, you have a new lvl60. If you only have two slots, one slot for your "main" and one slot for the experimental. If you want more than two slots, get them via the AD to Zen exchange, no cash spent.
--Race change is not changing your hairstyle. Basically that's just wanting a new chr. without having to level and gear it up. So I'd agree it falls into the "gimmie now/don't' want to work for it" mentality. I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting that, different strokes for different folks and all that, but it's not what *I* prefer to see catered to in games.

...so I vote no, to ensure that developers know that not "everyone" wants it.