I was thinking if how would the change in DD chest next update affect the player base. It says in the patch note that all the purple stuff from chest will be BoP. So now that majority of the player base already got their full T2 gears/set, I wonder if what would be their motivation to continue running these old dungeons.
I was thinking if how would the change in DD chest next update affect the player base. It says in the patch note that all the purple stuff from chest will be BoP. So now that majority of the player base already got their full T2 gears/set, I wonder if what would be their motivation to continue running these old dungeons.
No reason at all, I already have Full Avatar and Full Titan sets I dont need full vigilante too, it's just taking up alot of inventory already. New players will now have to fend for themselves. No more 11k+ Teams going to farm dungeons. And T2 dungeons are really really hard if your around the 10k or less GS.
Harder still if you've got even one member who is new to the dungeon.
No reason at all, I already have Full Avatar and Full Titan sets I dont need full vigilante too, it's just taking up alot of inventory already. New players will now have to fend for themselves. No more 11k+ Teams going to farm dungeons. And T2 dungeons are really really hard if your around the 10k or less GS.
Harder still if you've got even one member who is new to the dungeon.
This is what I'm also thinking while I'm making the post. Yea, I agree it would be like a new world :eek:
And the salvaging thing, won't give that much compensation/reward for running dungeons and exchanging those bound stuff.
I was thinking if how would the change in DD chest next update affect the player base. It says in the patch note that all the purple stuff from chest will be BoP. So now that majority of the player base already got their full T2 gears/set, I wonder if what would be their motivation to continue running these old dungeons.
The only motivation would be because, in theory, the boss still has a random chance to drop a good piece that is not BoP and can be put on the AH still. I'm guessing that only the DD piece is changed to BoP, so you can still obtain and sell on the AH the boss dropped ones.
This would limit the AH supply of those items by a large amount. That in turn would drive cost of said item on the AH up. That in turn would mean more people buying Zen to get more AD for larger AH costs.
I'm guessing they're banking on this to make a dollar.
And imagine people running T1/T2 dungeons with blue/green items on them. I guess it would a struggle for the new player base.
And still I guess dungeons will still not be worth running when event is not up. Market will end up having a dying supply to near extinction of T2 gears.
I'll run dd a few times to see what exploits were fixed and what new ones were created, out of curiousity. But no reason to after that. Since Malabog will drop *very* slightly better weapons then CN, i'll run that a bit too. But after that, well i dont know what. I dont like foundries or skirmish, and GG is a joke. DD was my avenue to fun and enjoyment in this game, and now thats gone.
I was thinking if how would the change in DD chest next update affect the player base. It says in the patch note that all the purple stuff from chest will be BoP. So now that majority of the player base already got their full T2 gears/set, I wonder if what would be their motivation to continue running these old dungeons.
I am quite surprised. Especially to see a lot of people agreeing with the above. I find it to be quite an insular and closed minded attitude. Of myself and the few people I directly know who play, not one has "full T2 gears/set". How can you claim a majority? Citation? Measurable verifiable data source? If you get your way, whether your statement is correct or not, I don't think this would be good for the game overall. If the developers put more effort into only top end stuff, you powergamers will still get bored again soon enough, because short of a Kobayashi Maru test you'll beat whatever's thrown at you. What will be left for everyone else?
I don't exactly know how the business model works, but almost all games I see want to curry favour with all gamers especially "casual gamers". Hence cries of "dumbing down" (sometimes warranted!) from old-school players. The above attitude is hardly positive towards pretty much everyone that isn't the cream of the cream. Hmmmm.
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I am quite surprised. Especially to see a lot of people agreeing with the above. I find it to be quite an insular and closed minded attitude. Of myself and the few people I directly know who play, not one has "full T2 gears/set". How can you claim a majority? Citation? Measurable verifiable data source? If you get your way, whether your statement is correct or not, I don't think this would be good for the game overall. If the developers put more effort into only top end stuff, you powergamers will still get bored again soon enough, because short of a Kobayashi Maru test you'll beat whatever's thrown at you. What will be left for everyone else?
I don't exactly know how the business model works, but almost all games I see want to curry favour with all gamers especially "casual gamers". Hence cries of "dumbing down" (sometimes warranted!) from old-school players. The above attitude is hardly positive towards pretty much everyone that isn't the cream of the cream. Hmmmm.
Ok,let's just say if not a majority have T2 sets, but for sure they got a lot of AD/gear saved up for something else, and that said, they would not care anymore running T2 dungeons and getting BoP which would just stuck up on their inventory, and if you heard about the "salvage" thing, im pretty sure it would not motivate people from running old dungeons over and over again. I just wish they revamped this dungeons soon.Not saying, the chance of getting dropped T2 set piece directly from boss. And I'm also a casual gamer here, and I'm still far from boredom. I realize that having a day or two away from game, will make you feel/excited to play again.
Of myself and the few people I directly know who play, not one has "full T2 gears/set". How can you claim a majority? Citation? Measurable verifiable data source? If you get your way, whether your statement is correct or not, I don't think this would be good for the game overall. If the developers put more effort into only top end stuff, you powergamers will still get bored again soon enough, because short of a Kobayashi Maru test you'll beat whatever's thrown at you. What will be left for everyone else?
I don't exactly know how the business model works, but almost all games I see want to curry favour with all gamers especially "casual gamers". Hence cries of "dumbing down" (sometimes warranted!) from old-school players. The above attitude is hardly positive towards pretty much everyone that isn't the cream of the cream. Hmmmm.
It doesn't seem like you understood what he was saying at all.
Additonally you are basing your argument (whatever that is) on "myself and the few people I directly know who play" which isn't all that much is it really? I'll tell you this: I;ve been playing this game since open beta and I know many many many players - and i dont know any level 60 who has been 60 for 2 or 3 weeks of game play that does not have full t2. Most players i know have several full t2 characters (i myself have two, but could easily have 5)
It appears you are relatively new to the game and dont understand the implications of what the OP stated. It has nothing to do with new content or dumbing down. It has to do with the removal of a game mechanic that was the primary avenue of game enjoyment for thousands (at least) of players.
Having full t2 is not cream of the cream, its only the first (and easiest) step to getting there. Having rank 10 enchants and perfect enhancements is the cream... and those that have, are definitely not the majority.
Of course you could just buy zen and have it all instantly if you wish.
Eh, just shifts things around. Currently people fully geared run during DD for the chest, extra loot. They dislike having lesser geared characters with them because it slows down the run. Makes it a hassle to run DD with a character not already geared up.
After the change the DD chest will be worth only whatever the salvager gives. So the people looking for loot to sell will eventually feel less constrained to only running during DD. But people that aren't geared yet will want to run during DD more than ever. Because they will be able to pick the set of the piece if it drops. Yes, its less overall items for the farmers. But prices on the remaining items will adjust and they'll get over it.
So imo they are just switching it. Now the speed running farmers will want to run anytime. While the people looking to gear up will be focusing on DD. That's just my guess on how it will turn out though. Who knows.
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Eh, just shifts things around. Currently people fully geared run during DD for the chest, extra loot. They dislike having lesser geared characters with them because it slows down the run. Makes it a hassle to run DD with a character not already geared up.
After the change the DD chest will be worth only whatever the salvager gives. So the people looking for loot to sell will eventually feel less constrained to only running during DD. But people that aren't geared yet will want to run during DD more than ever. Because they will be able to pick the set of the piece if it drops. Yes, its less overall items for the farmers. But prices on the remaining items will adjust and they'll get over it.
So imo they are just switching it. Now the speed running farmers will want to run anytime. While the people looking to gear up will be focusing on DD. That's just my guess on how it will turn out though. Who knows.
Thats pretty much it nail on the head there mate. There will probably be a time of adjustment from the player base and I expect that some things will be looked again after the patch if nerfs where to harsh.
But I expect every thing to go back to normal again quite quickly. Seen this so many times on so many differnt games and guess what the howls of doom this game will die have all poven to be false.
Imop there will always be exploiters and exploits... i had gave a break in DD's till yesterday. to fill in some party's i run few DD's yesterday and it was all new to me... many things were fixed.. but guess what.. "they" found new "shortcuts" lol
No i dont have the patient to learn that stuff.. neither do i like to do it. Altho i understand people that run dungeons... there are some expensive items in AD that i wouldnt mind to have (110% horse, ancient weaps, etc), and purples from dungeons are the fastest way to get them for sure, besides buying zen directly.
Bout the savage guy... even if dev's leave max refine diamonds at 24k (i think thats the limit per day atm), its not a bad deal to me, for the contrary... i can easely get 24k rough diamonds per day to refine (less than 3 purples to get it, if all people say is correct), so that means that i can get around 500k AD in like 20 days... that is if i play with only one account. Now multiply that for the account u have
Honestly im pretty anccious to see Module 1 running.. its all relative before we test it all.
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No reason at all, I already have Full Avatar and Full Titan sets I dont need full vigilante too, it's just taking up alot of inventory already. New players will now have to fend for themselves. No more 11k+ Teams going to farm dungeons. And T2 dungeons are really really hard if your around the 10k or less GS.
Harder still if you've got even one member who is new to the dungeon.
This is what I'm also thinking while I'm making the post. Yea, I agree it would be like a new world :eek:
And the salvaging thing, won't give that much compensation/reward for running dungeons and exchanging those bound stuff.
The only motivation would be because, in theory, the boss still has a random chance to drop a good piece that is not BoP and can be put on the AH still. I'm guessing that only the DD piece is changed to BoP, so you can still obtain and sell on the AH the boss dropped ones.
This would limit the AH supply of those items by a large amount. That in turn would drive cost of said item on the AH up. That in turn would mean more people buying Zen to get more AD for larger AH costs.
I'm guessing they're banking on this to make a dollar.
And still I guess dungeons will still not be worth running when event is not up. Market will end up having a dying supply to near extinction of T2 gears.
I am quite surprised. Especially to see a lot of people agreeing with the above. I find it to be quite an insular and closed minded attitude. Of myself and the few people I directly know who play, not one has "full T2 gears/set". How can you claim a majority? Citation? Measurable verifiable data source? If you get your way, whether your statement is correct or not, I don't think this would be good for the game overall. If the developers put more effort into only top end stuff, you powergamers will still get bored again soon enough, because short of a Kobayashi Maru test you'll beat whatever's thrown at you. What will be left for everyone else?
I don't exactly know how the business model works, but almost all games I see want to curry favour with all gamers especially "casual gamers". Hence cries of "dumbing down" (sometimes warranted!) from old-school players. The above attitude is hardly positive towards pretty much everyone that isn't the cream of the cream. Hmmmm.
"Young people....." - Erik Lehnsherr
Ok,let's just say if not a majority have T2 sets, but for sure they got a lot of AD/gear saved up for something else, and that said, they would not care anymore running T2 dungeons and getting BoP which would just stuck up on their inventory, and if you heard about the "salvage" thing, im pretty sure it would not motivate people from running old dungeons over and over again. I just wish they revamped this dungeons soon.Not saying, the chance of getting dropped T2 set piece directly from boss. And I'm also a casual gamer here, and I'm still far from boredom. I realize that having a day or two away from game, will make you feel/excited to play again.
It doesn't seem like you understood what he was saying at all.
Additonally you are basing your argument (whatever that is) on "myself and the few people I directly know who play" which isn't all that much is it really? I'll tell you this: I;ve been playing this game since open beta and I know many many many players - and i dont know any level 60 who has been 60 for 2 or 3 weeks of game play that does not have full t2. Most players i know have several full t2 characters (i myself have two, but could easily have 5)
It appears you are relatively new to the game and dont understand the implications of what the OP stated. It has nothing to do with new content or dumbing down. It has to do with the removal of a game mechanic that was the primary avenue of game enjoyment for thousands (at least) of players.
Having full t2 is not cream of the cream, its only the first (and easiest) step to getting there. Having rank 10 enchants and perfect enhancements is the cream... and those that have, are definitely not the majority.
Of course you could just buy zen and have it all instantly if you wish.
Oh god... and they're also nerfing classes across the board...
Instead of improving the mechanics of the bosses, they'll just nerf all the classes and make it harder/more expensive to buy your gear off the AH.
Voila! Dungeons are suddenly a lot harder for new players.
After the change the DD chest will be worth only whatever the salvager gives. So the people looking for loot to sell will eventually feel less constrained to only running during DD. But people that aren't geared yet will want to run during DD more than ever. Because they will be able to pick the set of the piece if it drops. Yes, its less overall items for the farmers. But prices on the remaining items will adjust and they'll get over it.
So imo they are just switching it. Now the speed running farmers will want to run anytime. While the people looking to gear up will be focusing on DD. That's just my guess on how it will turn out though. Who knows.
Thats pretty much it nail on the head there mate. There will probably be a time of adjustment from the player base and I expect that some things will be looked again after the patch if nerfs where to harsh.
But I expect every thing to go back to normal again quite quickly. Seen this so many times on so many differnt games and guess what the howls of doom this game will die have all poven to be false.
No i dont have the patient to learn that stuff.. neither do i like to do it. Altho i understand people that run dungeons... there are some expensive items in AD that i wouldnt mind to have (110% horse, ancient weaps, etc), and purples from dungeons are the fastest way to get them for sure, besides buying zen directly.
Bout the savage guy... even if dev's leave max refine diamonds at 24k (i think thats the limit per day atm), its not a bad deal to me, for the contrary... i can easely get 24k rough diamonds per day to refine (less than 3 purples to get it, if all people say is correct), so that means that i can get around 500k AD in like 20 days... that is if i play with only one account. Now multiply that for the account u have
Honestly im pretty anccious to see Module 1 running.. its all relative before we test it all.