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shydo123
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It's pretty ridiculous. Run to this little spot and die to rez at next campfire, jump on the wall here to draw out boss so it kills itself, zerg rush each campfire and respawn after trash resets. I don't even care about the fact that bosses have limited strategies, but what is the point in putting time and work into dungeon creation just to have everything skipped or gimped via terrain exploits? Why increase the level of gear you are using if this strategy is viable in level 1 white gear? Currently the only non-pvp endgame are dungeons, so the fact that they are broken makes the game feel very lacking and sub-standard. IMO develop teams should focus energies in fixing current content so that people actually learn to play the game as intended instead of as a jumping puzzle.
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This is a topic that has been discussed numerous times here in the forum. You will also get the response of " Don't make play the game your way", which of course they don't get that they are forcing you to play in style you don't want to. I do agree with you though.
Not all short cuts are exploits however they are designed alternative routes.
Suiciding to spawn at next campsite is an exploit for example.
About the only way you'll get people on board with doing full clears is if the amount of trash was reduced by an order of magnitude. Even then, without major changes to the game mechanics people would still exploit their way through the instances.
These issues have been ongoing for months and nothing has changed. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for overhauls to existing content. Hopefully, future content will take these issues into consideration.
Well I am pretty sure that is not the intention of the game designers. Why spend hours creating an epic dungeon just to have it gimped. Dungeons are not only for loot but also increasing play skills and teamwork roles. That way dungeon designers can create more difficult content that is tiered above the current content. Do you really want stagnant content that doesn't challenge you? Sure it is the fault of the designers for not fixing the current game "features" but that doesn't justify its abuse.
So as a Gamer I am bound to do whatever Game Designer wants? He created an Epic dungeon great, but it is not that great after you bloody seen it 100 time. If you want to experience team work get a guild. I am not here to please Game Designers, they should be the ones.
This, and the fact that the devs went the "**** it a million adds sounds good here" route instead of making a boss hard by ITSELF.
So it is your assertion that the devs, who put a lot of energy into creating memorable characters, environments, and the game as a whole, intend for players to jump to their death or rush to campfires so they can die and respawn there? Really? You can do things in real life that you aren't supposed to, but that doesn't mean that's how things are intended to be.
I can't accept that people actually, legitimately believe that this is how you should play the game, and that this is how the developers intended for it to be played.
Let's take a step back for a moment - if this were a pen and paper D&D game, do you think the GM would allow these tactics to work? How can anyone believe that this is right?
If you don't want to play the right way... and I mean "right" as in the way all other content in the game is played, great! If you want to cheat... and what you folks who endorse this behavior are doing IS cheating, then I hope you all get banned.
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Btw from my own experience I tell you that discussing an exploit here is prohibited by all the rules ... I wonder how this post is still around ?
P.S. don't let the moving / closing of the post affect you, don't make my mistake
That's how people think. It's a shame that mentality trickles over into games, but a lot of people are dirtbags when it comes to cheating.
Making the lower mobs have a chance to drop good items helps aswell, atleast some blues. Could also have mini bosses that add (possible randomly) to waves/ranks adds that drop epic.
Could also just have large dungeons that just take time to physically go through (but with many more boss type encounters) or add puzzles that take a miminum amount of time to complete. And so on....anything but killing endless trash to get to a mob you want.
1) Reduce number of trash mobs.
2) Give boss a buff for every surviving mob.
3) Reduce of remove cliffs so monsters (and bosses!) can't be pushed to their deaths.
The first would make dungeons more fun and not a chore.
The second would ensure that short-cuts carry a serious risk.
The third would ensure that GF and GWF are welcome and not just the emerging standard grouping of "3 CW, TR and DC".....
I agree 100%. This is exactly what needs to be done. They could also implement other mechanics to make adds more relevant, like paths, that only open once a certain amount of enemies are delt with or something like that.
Less adds, an incentive to fight them and changes in the enviroment to make all classes more essential for success. That is what the devs need to focus on.
If it stays as it is, the game is doomed. At the moment it doesn't matter wether you are a good or bad player, have good or bad gear. As long as you know how and are willing to cheat, you'll succeed. I guess the moment they repair the game (if ever) many players will have a few problems because they never learned how to play, only how to cheat.
The funny thing is, in the Dev videos where they show examples of game play they use this tactic. So clearly it was intended for players to kill mobs by pushing them off cliffs and is not an exploit. Also players can be pushed off just as easily as monsters can be pushed off. So it isn't like it is a one way I win method.
Let's say there is a mile stretch of road with a trail of pennies on it. At the end of that trail is a $100 bill. Do you stop to pick up each penny or head straight for the $100?
I never said whether I felt that it was intended or unintended - I simply said that in my opinion removing this will encourage parties to take GWF and GF more than the current system which strongly favours 3CW 1TR 1DC groups ....
Its all about Dungeon delve, you have 1 hour to do as many dungeons as you can. ofcourse people are going to find out the fastest ways to do dungeons, 30 minute spellplague 20 minutes frozen heart etc, theh whole thing has become its own meta-game.
The only way you are going to remove speed clearing, is if you change the DD event, have the chest drop jewellery only and have the boss drop a T2 piece every time it dies. they could also fix those optional bosses, like spellplague, put an optional boss in the secret dungeon in temple of the spider.
Theres many things they could do but if you notice, alot of things seem unfinished/rushed, and it looks like they gave up and moved onto new content without finishing the old.
cryptic should make a new team that focuses on reworking/improving current content...
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And if the issue is loots, well, read my sig.
Make it worth it, I'll do it. Make it trash, I'll burn through it.
And by the way, it does help the economy. That means more Epics (purples) are making their way to the AH, which means more supply, which means prices drop. There, everyone wins.
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This I like! Alternate paths... mini bosses for horde... Hah even have the mobs you skipped able to be summoned by end boss... Now that would be real incentive. If you don't kill him in a certain time he could call for help... lol!
Terrain exploits I'm not to upset about. Would you call terrain exploits I call common sense fighting. The issue is... the bosses don't move. Quite frankly Caster's should take the high ground while the melee's attack from below. Doesn't make sense for a caster to be in the direct line of fire with a tank. It hasn't been that way in ANY other MMO I've played.
If my caster can fight from relative safety fro ma high vantage point it makes sense.
The whole run to campfire and die thing gets old though. Like Karrundax... I don't mind doing the run... but a well partied group can own mobs at the end by throwing them off edges etc... but everyone just want to die... BORING!
However, I understand the extreme lack of incentive from killing them too. Want to make people try to kill everything... make end the end chest horde loot. Percentage of the mobs affects your extra loot in end chest.... enchants/copper/useables etc.
Cryptic, ditch the Zerg fest.
It's time for end-game that relies on real tactics for a change. Cryptic zerged in STO, now they're zerging in Neverwinter. Anyone remember the Borg nodes in STFs? Zerg-facerolling. On that note it would be nice to also reduce trash or give better trash drops and eliminate the "shortcuts".
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get rid of the DD event (and Professions...) make the GG event happen more often.
make the DD chest always open. make it drop class-specific BOP items always.
make the bosses drop T1/T2 loot always. 2 pieces, sometimes.
make the trash have a low chance to drop good items- purple gear, blue and purple crafting items, etc.
FIX THE @#$#@ SHORTCUTS if they are not intended.
This idea has a touch of a genius ! Get it patented an cash up !
Would love to take the credit, but I got it from another poster here.
Still a great idea whoever came up with it of course.....
This would act as a wave of reinforcements for the main boss. As well as an incentive to clear them out. Or do the run and accept the risk. Another choice that the players can make without hindering greatly either playstyle.
Maybe do the same with the other minor bosses
Like the buffing idea as well.
I also like increasing the rewards dropped, crafting assets would be a nice touch on minor bosses.