Meeggtoast Destroyer DPS guide

meeggtoast

I play Lanaya@meeggtoast on Dragon Shard. This guide is mostly built for PvE destroyer, this build can also PvP. I am writing this guide in seeing many destroyer speced GWF not topping damage charts, to equally geared rogues.

My Powers/Feats:

I have respec again for endgame instead of testing out stuff.
I have 1 point in battlefury and maxed steel defense so I can do the last run for CN, from Xervos to Dracolich.


I respected once already I did not feel that the unstoppable action’s 5 points is worth it for me to put 3 or 5 points into it.
For non humans are 2/3 into Toughness, and 1/3 into Weapon mastery, or 2/3 into toughness 2/3 into armor specialization 2/3 Weapon mastery if you want that 1% more crit.

Focused Destroyer is a key feat to this build. It makes that the destroyer passive can proc to even single target hitting thus overall gives a 12% total damage increase.
Deep Gash is extra dps, Great Weapon focus 10% increase in your at wills, Disciple of war means recovery gives you free armor pen… 2 birds with one stone.

Destroyer Passive Vs Weapon Master
Assuming Base damage is 500 and 40% crit chance
Destroyer
500(0.4)(1.12)(1.9)+500(1.12)(0.6)=761.6
Weapon Master
500(0.5)(1.9)+500(0.5)=725

With Perfect Vorpal:
Destoryer
500(0.4)(1.12)(2.4)+500(1.12)(0.6)=873.6
Weapon Master
500(0.5)(2.4)+500(0.5)= 850



Staying power Vs Powerful Challenge
WMS gives encounters 10% more damage vs 15% bonus to marked targets.

Problem with GWF and mark in destroyer path, you don’t mark very much to take full advantage of the 15% damage, daring shout lasts too short, marks doesn’t stay long enough, aoe of it is also too short. If you try to combo it with Come and Get it, you might as well play cw because steal time acts like the same thing as daring shout + come and get it, aggros everything around you. And the damage buff isn’t significant enough for you to clean it all up, steal time gives CWs enough time to do something else. The other case is when you have a Guardian Fighter in your group. The times I’ve had a guardian fighter in my CN runs and T2 dds is less than 5% of the time. I personally think they are more out of a job in PvE, I don’t mind a good GF in my group just I don’t find them much useful. If you want tank, your dc should kite, gwf can off tank, rogue can offtank with ItC for short amount of time. If you want dps single target, grab a rogue, If you want aoe… grab a GWF. GFs are out of a job on this one.

Personally I think Staying Power > Powerful Challenge. Just the fact that the mark is lost when you receive damage from the target

Steely Defense VS Constution Focus
The point of this gwf build is to maximize damage if I were to maximize consititional focus with 3 points into it, it would provide me a bonus of 15% with 16 con it will yield me 0.9 more armor ignored. If and 0.9% more hp. If I were to pump my dex into con i would have 20 con with maxed constitution focus would provide more 1.5 more resistance ignored + 1.5% more hp, this is a DPS guide not a tanking guide.
Put it perspective to you this way 1.5 - 0.9 resistance ignored is equal roughly 100-150 armor pen, for all thats worth I do not feel like 3 points into a feat that will yield me one rank 5 dark enchantment.
Steely defense gives you 8% of ur defense, im at 2000 defense. so according to your build it will provide you with 160 power. Ur build gives 160 power 150 armor pen statwise. My build with 2000 defense, I have a flat 20% from my defense which yields 400 power.

TL;DR 160 power 150 armor pen(ur build) vs 400(my build) power. which one is easier to stack? armor pen with low diminishing returns up until 2300. so constitution focus is not great except the nice little bonus hp you get which is around 1% or 200-250 hp. vs the raw 100 power you can get.

Powerful Challenge + Daring Shout VS Disciple of War

As for the mark from a GF on your team. I have done 300+ CN runs, I have only seen GF on the runs less than 10 times, and the times I did see the GF, they were my friends. GFs doesnt make the run any faster, more CWs and TR/GWFs make the runs faster. Same as T2 dungeons. if a T3 dungeon with adds that can oneshot all 4 other classes, and require a tank to be on your team, then the GF is viable.

As for Daring shout, all marked targets for gwf recieve 8% more damage from you. with Powerful challenge the total damage increase is buffed to 23%. In counting the time that mark is applied 23% for 12 secs and 3 secs on cooldown/cast time (0.23*12 +0.00*3)/15, the overall dps increase for having the encounter + the feat is 18.4% overall dps boost.

Disciple of War, which gives you 25% of your recovery as armor pen. I have 3k recovery thus I have get free 750 armor pen from my stats. This means I can put 750 more stats into power, this roughly translates to 18.75 weapon damage. With drake sword of the Avatar of War I am able to test this.

Drake sword damage: 706 damage per swing(sure strike)
Drake sword with 750 more power damage: 835 damage per swing.

This is a 129 damage increase or 835/706= 18.27% dps boost from the raw weapon damage increase from having Disciple of War. Considering that the damage increase from the 750 power is always there and that you don't always mark all of the targets you hit because its a small 20" aoe. Disciple of War beats Powerful Challenge.

For lower geared GWFs Powerful Challenge > Disciple, but once you become more geared out Disciple wins over Powerful Challenge.

Abilities to take into combat:
PvE
Dailies: Crescendo, Slam, Avalanche(when its needed for mass aoe prone to save your team)
At-Wills: Sure Strike, Weapon Master Strike
Class Features PvE: Steel Blitz/Weapon Master, Destroyer
Single Target: Weapon Master, Destoryer
AOE: Steel Blitz, Destroyer
Encounters: Flourish/Roar/PunishingCharge, Restoring/NotSoFast, Indomitable Battle Strike(IBS).
Flourish is mostly for stacking Student of the sword feat and a good stun burst encounter.
NotsoFast is your highest damaging 5 target spell.
Punishing Charge is for fun.

Note that Encounters can all have a chance to proc Steel Blitz.

PvP
Dailies: Crescendo, Slam, Avalanche(good at point 2, and Gauntlgrym)
At-Wills: Sure Strike, Weapon Master Strike
Class Features: Bravery(runspeed and deflect for tankiness and chase abilities),Steel Grace(control ignore 30%... extremely broken)
Encounters: Takedown,Flourish,IBS/Restoring

RaceCar
Dailies: Savage Advance, Avalanche
Class Features:Bravery, Steel Defense.
Encounters: Battlefury, Restoring/MightyLeap, Punishing Charge.


How to use Weapon Master Strike:


Credit to:Proper WMS
I can post a video of me doing this if you would like.

Best possible Racials.
1. Half Orcs, Dwarf, Human, Halflings
I think they are equally good depending on your playstyle. I’m extremely biased toward human due to the extra 3 feat points.
Half Orc: +5% crit severity, +2 Dexterity and +2 strength, +10% run speed on combat start
Human: +3 heroic feats, +2 Strength, +3% defense
Halfling: +3% deflect, +2 Dexterity, +2 Charisma, 10% CC resistance
Dwarf: knockback resistance, +2 Strength, DoT resistance

Best Possible stats:
STR(damage/stamina regen)> DEX(Crit)> CON(armor pen)> Cha(combat advantage dmg bonus)> Int(recharge speed)> Wis(control effect duration, you have unstoppable.)
Reasoning is because late game/end game it is easier to stack armorpen(con) than crit since crit falls off heavily after 3k.
Con GWFs can stack more power but they lose out in crit. That’s the ultimate trade they face. It is debatable crit vs armor pen, up to the player on how he wants to build it.

Weapon Enchantments
Don’t get me wrong I think plaguefire is an amazing debuff, most people expect gwf to get the Greater Plaguefire. I’m planning to run 2 swords one with vorpal one with greater plaguefire.

Single Target:
Vorpal> Flaming> Plaguefire>Lightning

Aoe:
Lightning>Flaming>Plaguefire> Vorpal

Mr.I Debuff Everything:
Plaguefire> Everything Else.

Armor Enchantment
Soulforged Soulforged Soulforged.
I have been saved by my soulforged many times over. PvE soulforged is king at saving kits.

Armor sets
Avatar of War
Set 2: Equip:+ 450 Critical Strike
Set 4: Your Encounter powers grant Onslaught. When Onslaught reaches 3 stacks you gain 1260 Recovery and Power. Onslaught lasts for 4 seconds and is refreshed each time you strike a foe with an Encounter power.

Vigilant Warlord
Set 2: Equip:+ 450 Recovery
Set 4: When you critically strike a foe you gain 5% damage resistance and 20% run speed for 4 seconds.

Titan’s
Set 2: Equip: +1800 Maximum Hit Points
Set 4: When you use a Daily power you gain 15% damage resistance and 15% run speed.

Best way to roll is to use 2 piece Vigilant Warlord 2 piece avatar. Never go full avatar because no gwf can constantly keep onslaught with the long cooldowns on all of our encounters.
A good replacement is Berserker Set T1+Bladestorm Set.
It is possible to use full 4 set of beserkers as it gives you encounter cooldown, but I think recovery is important to a gwf’s success.

Stats You should aim for:
1. 24% armor pen migitation, this means your (Con-10) + Armor Pen migitation added up together should give you 24% resistance ignored. This allows you to deal full 100% of your damage to bosses(24% migitation) and elite mobs(22% migitation)
2. Do not enchant anything for recovery or critical, your crit and recov will attain 3k as you obtain your end game equipments.
3. Stack as much power as you can.
4. Get ancient weapons before armor/enchant upgrades


I have upgraded to 2/2 Avatar Vigilant. Will Continue to upgrade for Module 1.

Pet
Stone or Cat will do. Bonus stat makes you hit harder, unless you have Lillend, she’s really effective as a Devote Cleric*Cough* I mean DC replacement.

What to do in combat
More than 2 adds: Weapon Master strike+ Weapon Master strike+ Weapon Master strike
1 Add or boss: 1 Weapon Master Strike follow by 2 sets of surestrike or 1 Weaponmaster Strike + encounter.
Roar if u can cancel casting(non boss).
Unstoppable when u can, but never fully spend your stamina because you might need it to dodge red.

meeggtoast

Added My Pet



I use rank 7 elderitch for last slot because 1000 stat and u gain 8.5 vs 9%, the difference is minimal.

Don't Go for Ancient offhand since you are wasting 300k ad more for less than 20 stats, unless you have rank 10s on everything.

DO NOT STACK RECOVERY AND DEFENSE ON YOUR PET, YOU DO NOT RECEIVE ANY OF IT ARMOR PEN FROM THE RECOVERY AND POWER FROM THE DEFENSE ON YOUR PET

meeggtoast

Feel free to PM me via forums or in game.
Handle is @meeggtoast

Updated First time:
8/3/13

baconknightryder

Powerful Challenge > Disciple of War

You only need to hit 24% armor pen for PvE which should be possible without picking up Disciple of War with endgame gear, especially with Constitution Focus.

+15% flat damage bonus is amazing, that's more damage than what you get from full stacks from a maxed out Destroyer. With a GF on your team and Daring Shout & IBS on your hotbar, you should have marks up on targets (at least the ones that matter) nearly all the time. Not to mention the added bonus damage mitigation and damage boost you're giving your team by marking, and the ridiculous amounts of Determination you're getting from Shout/Roar combo letting you go Unstoppable near non-stop.

meeggtoast

baconknightryder wrote: »

Constitution Focus > Steely Defense

Con Focus gives you more Armor Penetration/Resistances Ignored from Con along with some HP boost. Power gained from your 12% of your defense value is not gonna be as valuable as the points here.

Powerful Challenge > Disciple of War

You only need to hit 24% armor pen for PvE which should be possible without picking up Disciple of War with endgame gear, especially with Constitution Focus.

+15% flat damage bonus is amazing, that's more damage than what you get from full stacks from a maxed out Destroyer. With a GF on your team and Daring Shout & IBS on your hotbar, you should have marks up on targets (at least the ones that matter) nearly all the time. Not to mention the added bonus damage mitigation and damage boost you're giving your team by marking, and the ridiculous amounts of Determination you're getting from Shout/Roar combo letting you go Unstoppable near non-stop.

I'm not sure if you have read this guide completely. The point of this gwf build is to maximize damage if I were to maximize consititional focus with 3 points into it, it would provide me a bonus of 15% with 16 con it will yield me 0.9 more armor ignored. If and 0.9% more hp. If I were to pump my dex into con i would have 20 con with maxed constitution focus would provide more 1.5 more resistance ignored + 1.5% more hp, this is a DPS guide not a tanking guide.
Put it perspective to you this way 1.5 - 0.9 resistance ignored is equal roughly 100-150 armor pen, for all thats worth I do not feel like 3 points into a feat that will yield me one rank 5 dark enchantment.
Steely defense gives you 8% of ur defense, im at 2000 defense. so according to your build it will provide you with 160 power. Ur build gives 160 power 150 armor pen statwise. My build with 2000 defense, I have a flat 20% from my defense which yields 400 power.

TL;DR 160 power 150 armor pen(ur build) vs 400(my build) power. which one is easier to stack? armor pen with low diminishing returns up until 2300. so constitution focus is not great except the nice little bonus hp you get which is around 1% or 200-250 hp. vs the raw 100 power you can get.

As for the with GF on your team. I have done 300+ CN runs, I have only seen GF on the runs less than 10 times, and the times I did see the GF, they were my friends. GFs doesnt make the run any faster, more CWs and TR/GWFs make the runs faster. Same as T2 dungeons. if a T3 dungeon with adds that can oneshot all 4 other classes, and require a tank to be on your team, then the GF is viable.

As for Mark, all marked targets recieve 8% more damage from you. with Powerful challenge the total damage increase is buffed to 23%. So a 20 range aoe marking skill lasts for 12 secs + Powerful Challenge is your arguement, with a 15 second cooldown. versus
Disciple of War, which gives you 25% of your recovery as armor pen. I have 3k recovery thus I have get free 750 armor pen from my stats. This means I can put 750 more stats into power, this roughly translates to 18.75 weapon damage. With drake sword of the Avatar of War, dealing 706 damage per swing, while with 750 more power(18.75 weapon damage), i am hitting 835 per hit. This is a 129 damage increase or 835/706= 18.27% dps boost from the raw weapon damage increase from having Disciple of War. In counting the time that mark is applied 23% for 12 secs and 3 secs on cooldown/cast time (0.23*12 +0.00*3)/15, the overall dps increase for having the encounter + the feat is 18.4% overall dps boost. Considering that the damage increase from the 750 power is always there and that you don't always mark all of the targets you hit because its a small 20" aoe. Disciple of War beats Powerful Challenge.

For lower geared GWFs Powerful Challenge > Disciple, but once you become more geared out Disciple wins over Powerful Challenge.

Thanks for the insights bacon! made me do some testing and math, but all the worth while for better gwfs!

veleriawhitewolf

Great guide, after the numerous guides on this forum I was not expecting anything new. The rotation info is really great and I havent really given much testing to destroyer since I had been told procing extra attacks was better dps, Have you compared blitz passives with the 25%power boost on slam or just blitz vs destroyer alone?

th0rfinn

Very nice guide. One of the best players i've have the pleasure to play with and will easily get him for single target damage over any TR scrub.

Hi valeria :cool:

meeggtoast

veleriawhitewolf wrote: »

Great guide, after the numerous guides on this forum I was not expecting anything new. The rotation info is really great and I havent really given much testing to destroyer since I had been told procing extra attacks was better dps, Have you compared blitz passives with the 25%power boost on slam or just blitz vs destroyer alone?

Slam 25% feat is currently bugged as in it gives you a raw 25% boost to power for 6 seconds while its a great 1k-2k power boost, I dont think it beats the fact that gwfs dont have 30% ap regen even with 3k recovery. If I can get 5 more extra points of paragon, it is either going into Powerful Challenge or Battle awareness for more dps.

Disciple of war mathematically gives us a flat 18% overall dps boost which is more consistent than having slam daily 24/7 for the 1k-2k power burst.

Personally I feel like Blitz is an amazing passive to have. Its just the fact I run vorpal, that 10% crit chance increase from Weapon Masters gives me so much more damage in comparison to blitz. When i do finish my perfect vorpal, I will not touch blitz at all.

For most non vorpal users, Blitz is great for clearing trash, switch to Weapon master on boss fights.

Destroyer is on passive 100% of the time because of focused destroyer, this basically allows me to keep up a constant 12% buff for damage.

ikostus

This guide looks amazing, I'm about to hit 60, and will definitely be trying this one out!

Thanks!

ethos9

Great guide man, thanks.
But i was wondering if i should change the plaguefire enchant for vorpal if i take student of the sword and i have 40% crit chance?

meeggtoast

Plaguefire is a great overall Debuffer, considering that the people who can debuff the most are Us + Guardian fighters(wms and cleave respectively). TRs should run vorpal, and CWs in general runs gpfire for more debuff on single target, or vorpal for dps. DC's at wills are rarely aoe, most from what i have seen they are using vorpal or holy avenger.

You should hold on to your greater plaguefire, and get a second sword for perfect vorpal.
your dps will not significantly increase.

ethos9

I'll do that, many thanks.

facexcontrol

okay fine build and all... i just want to say that i own this guy everytime i see him in pvp with my GF

meeggtoast

facexcontrol wrote: »

okay fine build and all... i just want to say that i own this guy everytime i see him in pvp with my GF

I can Respec and fight u with sent + tenes!

facexcontrol

meeggtoast wrote: »

I can Respec and fight u with sent + tenes!

FaceControl@facexcontrol
Dragon
DeathPods

BRING IT ON

dkcandy

FaceControl@facexcontrol - You better be on PTR tomorrow so we can 1v1.

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?437391-Open-challenge-PTR-PvP-%28This-Saturday!-8-10-2013%29

facexcontrol

dkcandy wrote: »

FaceControl@facexcontrol - You better be on PTR tomorrow so we can 1v1.

http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?437391-Open-challenge-PTR-PvP-%28This-Saturday!-8-10-2013%29

haha
sorry bro next few days im not able to log in becouse of work but next week ill see what i can do ...anyways still waiting for a e-mail or whatever with my character copy approval or smthing dont really know how to switch it

dkcandy

facexcontrol wrote: »

haha
sorry bro next few days im not able to log in becouse of work but next week ill see what i can do ...anyways still waiting for a e-mail or whatever with my character copy approval or smthing dont really know how to switch it

Go to the link. I explain step by step how to get a copy over to Test and how to login.

meeggtoast

DK candy wanna 1 v 1 tomorrow on test shard?

dkcandy

meeggtoast wrote: »

DK candy wanna 1 v 1 tomorrow on test shard?

Sounds good.

wingedpunisher

Hey, I started playing yesterday and I'm now level 22. Been following your guide, but I just noticed that I got less charisma than the other stats. Is this a huge deal? Don't really want to re-roll my character. Thanks.

meeggtoast

From Guide

meeggtoast wrote: »

Best Possible stats:
STR(damage/stamina regen)> DEX(Crit)> CON(armor pen)> Cha(combat advantage dmg bonus)> Int(recharge speed)> Wis(control effect duration, you have unstoppable.)

the 3 primary/secondary stats provide you with more damage than other stats.

b3rz3rk3d

I'm a level 22 GWF Human and I still haven't spent any feat points. I can't get past if it's better to go with Unstoppable Action or Toughness and Armor Specialization. I'm looking to dish out as much dps as possible so I rolled 16/16/12 with +2 dex to make it 18 and plan on going down the Destroyer path. Obviously Unstoppable Action is is going to be a dps gain, but higher defense from Armor Specialization meshes well with Steely Defense in addition to increasing survivability. I know the OP and others I've seen skip out on UA, but is there anything that anyone can add to tip me in either direction?

topguides

Hi meeggtoast,
thank you for your nice guide.
Do you mind if I add it to the mmominds.com? So it can be rated by the users.

Thanks

th0rfinn

facexcontrol wrote: »

okay fine build and all... i just want to say that i own this guy everytime i see him in pvp with my GF

Destroyers aren't OP in PvP so what if people do get owned from time to time?

d94p

What do you think of going 3/3 Toughness and 0/3 on Weapon Mastery for non-human characters?

templarknight91

d94p wrote: »

What do you think of going 3/3 Toughness and 0/3 on Weapon Mastery for non-human characters?

I wouldn't, I minimized my HP as much as I could when dealing with Boost from Heroic and Paragon Feats. +9% isn't very much.
(My HP is 21,891 & I do not die. All my other characters have 25k+ HP pretty crazy.)

+3% Crit > +9% HP if I were you though I'd put those 3 points into Devastating Critical (+15% Crit Serv, makes your Crits hit harder) especially since there's nothing to boost Crit Serv except that Feat and a Vorpal Enchantment.

warcus14

Great guide!
Just 1 thing u didnt put up yet

Focused destroyer VS Battle awareness

Destroyer gives u a 12% dps boost
with focused destroyer u have a 25% of getting it when fighting less then 3 targets
most of the time in dungeons there are 3+ mobs to hit with roar with 3k recovery your daily gets filled up pretty fast so wouldnt it be more usefull to put those points into battle awareness to get the 25% extra power while having slam on?

vortix44

th0rfinn wrote: »

Destroyers aren't OP in PvP so what if people do get owned from time to time?

When sitting on a base with my GF and seeing an approaching opponent, I always hope that it will be a GWF. Against any other class I lose the 1v1 (including another GF, as my gear is green/blue/white) but against a GWF it's a free win.

meeggtoast

warcus14 wrote: »

Great guide!
Just 1 thing u didnt put up yet

Focused destroyer VS Battle awareness

Destroyer gives u a 12% dps boost
with focused destroyer u have a 25% of getting it when fighting less then 3 targets
most of the time in dungeons there are 3+ mobs to hit with roar with 3k recovery your daily gets filled up pretty fast so wouldnt it be more usefull to put those points into battle awareness to get the 25% extra power while having slam on?

Currently its only lasting for 6 seconds not the full duration of slam, secondly slam is getting nerfed.

Slam is a very slow DPS, Spamming WMS seems better. Focus destroyer will also give you more single target dps than the Battle awareness build.

warcus14

Hey do u use the same set for pvp? Or do u switch it out since u only have around 500 armor pen without your stone
And are u specially using the vigilant helm and chest for a certain reason or did u just pick any random?