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GFW is almost unkillable once mastered.
nagrukk
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I play one, and it needs a nerf. IT is stupid that I can hold 4 plp equally geared in one base, and they are not able to kill me at all, here and there I have to run and pot, but 10 seconds later Im back on those 4. It is game breaking, way more than perma stealth TR.
Nerf it now please. It is not fun when I do it, and it is uber annoying when Im on any of my other toons.
Nerf it now please. It is not fun when I do it, and it is uber annoying when Im on any of my other toons.
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Please developers if you have the time do it. Then later they could have an open world zone they could try and use that gear as it could also flag them for PvP.
PvP gameplay video plox.
So PLEASE Cryptic, do not ruin the fun of the overwhelming majority of your GWF players because of a small minority who have tweaked the class into near omnipotence by spending either vast amounts of Time or Money. They can do the same to ANY class if they put enough time/effort into it.
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I've played every class except DC extensively. And I can tell you right now. All this is, is a call to nerf ANOTHER class because people are fighting said class in the wrong way. You cannot fight a GWF the same way you fight a rogue, just like you cant fight a GF the same way you fight a GWF.
@OP: If you truly are a GWF, you would be able to tell this just how your enemies approach you.
Calling for a nerf for your own class because your opponents try to fight you in the wrong ways is just calling for more SIMPLE pvp combat approach.
This goes along similarly with Perma Stealth rogues. Though I agree the Lurker's Assault grants a bit too much of a damage boost.
The fact of the matter is, fighting a Perma Stealth rogue requires a DIFFERENT approach than fighting ordinary rogues. And every class can achieve this, where the most difficulty would obviously be DC in doing so but still can.
At this rate, any class or class build that requires a different approach rather than full frontal assault is going to get nerfed. And all that will make is overly simple Pvp experience. Which all these complaints are spewing from.
And most of this comes from level 60 pvp experience. These issues are very less relevant at level 59 and below. And is admittedly more balance.
The issue in level 60 pvp. is that all skills are vamped up to deal greater damage to enemies with health much greater than thier own.
Yet ya cant kill any of them and 4v1 WILL change the node to the team with 4 people on it. 1v1 we win hands down most of the time, 2v1 depends on gear and skill 3v1 & 4v1 you might be able to survive for awhile but you not gonna kill many people.
Also if 4v1 can't kill a GWF they don't know how to interrupt at key moments and don't know how to pvp.
Kindly give us your character name to check on gateway. Thanks.
When mastered, well played GFs and even DCs can stay up for a long time vs multiple players. Nerf GFs and DCs too!
Give me a video that proof you can tanking 4 people and yet not die. or give me a link to your GWF character so I can laugh to it.
4 vs 1 against average players = lol a gwf rushing to us to be killed ( you can use unstop but you cant damage anyone a lot)
4 vs 1 against pros = lol that gwf doesnt even have a chance to use unstoppable so no0b
4 vs 1 even if the 4 players are under-geared if they are pro you wont even stand a chance
The most reliable and efficient way to kill a properly geared and played GWF is to have a good GF permaknock them down/up/back so they don't have a chance to use Unstoppable, then have your team focus fire them down asap. A great Rogue can solo a great GWF but the Rogue can't make any mistakes and it will take while to whittle down a GWF before you can burst them down with well-timed crit Lashing Blade and/or Shocking Execution that also isn't deflected by the GWF... which basically takes luck. A great CW or DC can stalemate a great GWF but it's nearly impossible for a CW or DC to solo kill a GWF.
The reason why GWFs are unkillable with 4-5 n00bs beating on them is because every hit they take, builds their Determination. If those n00bs can't CC and burst them down fast enough, they'll be able to spam Unstoppable, resulting in unlimited 25-50% damage reduction and temporary hit points. Combined with an insane amount of high base Defense and Deflection, as well as Regen gear, potions, and Soulforged Enchant, a single GWF can contest and capture a point by themselves vs. multiple people that don't know how to counter them.
Yep. You summed it up quite nicely.
Currently there are only two OPs:
unlimited stealth TR(litrally unkillable) and Stalwart Bulwark GF - they got no counters at all for extreme Prone chaining while maintaining BOTH superior surviability and damage
before you cry for nerfing please learn:
CWs are paper, if you dodge their CC spells, they die
TRs you can dodge their high damage skills and they die quickly if catch them in CC
GWFs are durable but by far the slowest class, you must be either blind or drunk to loose against GWF, follow simple drill DO encounters when not Unstopable do NOT hit when Unstoppable and keep distance, their skills are the slowest to cast - easy to dodge.
GF - annoying but if they dont choose to two-shot you while being Prone, they are ok
DC - meh, most of them only support if you focus them, they die like everybody else
Permastealth Rogues are easy to deal with and counter. Run by them to reveal them or use AoE to flush them out. Then put a DoT on them or burst them down. Permastealth Rogues are cheesy, but by no means as cheesy or OP as properly played/geared/spec'd GWFs or GFs.
I wouldnt use the statement "properly played/geared/spec'd" to describe a Sent spec GWF stacking HP/Defense/Tenebrous. Take away the Tenebrous, and what are you left with?
It's not the class, it's the freaking Tenebs.
So by inflating people epeen . They can buy thier way to kills
Worst GF NA
I've played many hours of PvP and I have to say this is correct. There is no other class, short of a well geared and well played DC that is anything comparable to a GWF with the BiS running around the spires just killing the other team's time. Multiple matches I've seen particular GWFs just running around the spire, not attacking, just popping whatever they do (pots + abilities) to regain health, requiring 3+ players to overtake this one player. At least the DC isn't capable of the dps, but having both dps and survival ability of the GWF currently is just stupid.
I stopped reading when you mentioned DC survivability, under any circumstances and any build, in the same sentence as a GWF...
Solo DCs die faster than any other class 1v1 mainly due to lacking almost any form of CC immunity (two dodges and a daily) and only one Daily (Divine Armor) that delays the inevitable a tiny bit.
If you cannot take out a DC, then I wonder what the heck you do when you see a GWF or a GF! Do you just turn away from that point and run?
DC's need a smoke-bomb clone ability, IMO. That would stop a CC/damage train on either themselves or their healing target without the need of a rogue or GF teammate to do it for them.
Call it Fairy Dust Bomb.
lol, great name!
I always wonder why the Priestess NPCs mobs get an awesome long cast aoe silence and DC's don't even get an interruptible single target silence or *something* useful other than their almost hilarious short range knockback!