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Wizard's new paragon path

grimahgrimah Member Posts: 1,658 Arc User
edited August 2013 in The Library
No idea what it is called but i found a thread with the spells, didnt see it here so i thought id post it.

2nd_paragon_path_wizard.png

Looks interesting. stormspell vs critical conflag?

hard to tell when not know what smoulder does (stacks, duration, rimefire, damage, effected by debuffs/buffs)

does look interesting since our storm spells are pretty bad but i wonder if scorching burst will charge our AP like pillar :P thats the real hook for me.

also wonder if that daily will draw 15 or more mobs, may even be an alternative to singularity if they get shot up in a nice bunching.
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  • phantomlambphantomlamb Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Swath of Destruction looks promising as a debuff.
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Where did you see this thread?

    Need to know exactly how Smoulder stacks and interacts with feats.

    - Furious Immolation = Cleric's Flame Strike except it also pulls Entangling-stylee?

    - Fanning the Flame = fire version of Conduit of Ice, but relies on extra damage from existing aoe damage...

    - Swath of Destruction = fire version of Chilling Presence? Could be quite a bit better though depending on how Smoulder works.

    - Combustive Action = could be extremely mediocre due to dependence on Dailies and timing. Likely strongest in aoe builds and together with Swath.

    That leaves the really interesting ones:

    - Critical Conflagration = Critical Severity sweetness and high synergy, what more could you want!

    - Scorching Burst = fire version of Storm Pillar except this one adds a synergistic effect and you get a potentially unlimited benefit by holding the cast, unlike Storm Pillar. If it also gives AP bonus, it may actually be a very interesting At-Will!
  • grimahgrimah Member Posts: 1,658 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    yea combustive action looks bad, why take it when you can get smoulder on crit from conflagration?

    fanning the flame looks like a single target spell, with bonus if you are aoeing at the same time.

    sorching burst may be our first real aoe at-will, if the damage is high enough to make it worthwhile.
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  • solymiersolymier Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    grimah wrote: »
    No idea what it is called but i found a thread with the spells, didnt see it here so i thought id post it.

    2nd_paragon_path_wizard.png

    Looks interesting. stormspell vs critical conflag?

    hard to tell when not know what smoulder does (stacks, duration, rimefire, damage, effected by debuffs/buffs)

    does look interesting since our storm spells are pretty bad but i wonder if scorching burst will charge our AP like pillar :P thats the real hook for me.

    also wonder if that daily will draw 15 or more mobs, may even be an alternative to singularity if they get shot up in a nice bunching.

    Finnaly Firebrust Control Wizard but what about the feats, this will be pain full for GF and GWF
  • kerrovitarrakerrovitarra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 559 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    I'm more interested in feats. Will be Assailing Force work on new version of CoI or only for CoI? Will be some improvement for at-wills synergy and so on.
  • johnygwapojohnygwapo Member Posts: 442 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    i bet this new path will be useless (well for me it is useful but for others it is not). in my experience people dont want me to use cold-lightning spells how much more with fire?

    there are so many builds bla bla bla still they end up with ledge-pushing :rolleyes:
  • aklqop1aklqop1 Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Yeah, I shouldn't judge prior to trying but this doesn't look very appealing. Although Spellstorm dailies, encounters and class features are pretty much rubbish, these appear better. At least they interact with arcane mastery and chill.
  • pfft2pfft2 Member Posts: 301 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    aklqop1 wrote: »
    Yeah, I shouldn't judge prior to trying but this doesn't look very appealing. Although Spellstorm dailies, encounters and class features are pretty much rubbish, these appear better. At least they interact with arcane mastery and chill.

    If the tooltips for the upcoming Fire Paragon Path are accurate, then I imagine the developers would have to revise the Spellstorm abilities so that they have more synergy with the basic class mechanics. After all, it makes no sense to have one paragon path interact with Chill and Arcane Mastery when the other doesn't at all.

    And thematically speaking, it certainly makes no sense that Fire would synergize with Ice better than Lightning would. Chill refreshes fire damage? Hell, Lightning spells don't even have their own secondary effect, much less a secondary effect that complements Chill. (An innate chance to proc small damage chains, like Sudden Storm's Mastery effect, might be in order for Lightning.)

    Maybe I'm just naive, though.

    All of that said, the spells themselves don't look all that great, but it's hard to tell absent any context. As you point out, it's not like the Lightning spells rock anyone's socks off. Furious Immolation seems far superior to Maelstrom of Chaos, but it doesn't appear to do anything that Arcane Singularity doesn't do already. I'm most interested in Scorching Burst; if the charge time isn't too long, and if you can get a decent AoE radius out of it, it might become one of our best At-Will options.
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  • aklqop1aklqop1 Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    pfft2 wrote: »
    If the tooltips for the upcoming Fire Paragon Path are accurate, then I imagine the developers would have to revise the Spellstorm abilities so that they have more synergy with the basic class mechanics. After all, it makes no sense to have one paragon path interact with Chill and Arcane Mastery when the other doesn't at all.

    I agree but that seems pretty unlikely to me.
    pfft2 wrote: »
    And thematically speaking, it certainly makes no sense that Fire would synergize with Ice better than Lightning would. Chill refreshes fire damage? Hell, Lightning spells don't even have their own secondary effect, much less a secondary effect that complements Chill. (An innate chance to proc small damage chains, like Sudden Storm's Mastery effect, might be in order for Lightning.)

    Maybe I'm just naive, though.

    Yeah, the interaction seems forced but it's better than nothing for sure. Spellstorm seems lacklustre to me, I figured things like ball lightning or sith-like force lightning (the one drow boss has it with a pretty nice visual) or maybe lightning side-effects like a small chance of stun for more CC (if chilled) or a chance of arcs (for arcane stacks).
    pfft2 wrote: »
    All of that said, the spells themselves don't look all that great, but it's hard to tell absent any context. As you point out, it's not like the Lightning spells rock anyone's socks off. Furious Immolation seems far superior to Maelstrom of Chaos, but it doesn't appear to do anything that Arcane Singularity doesn't do already. I'm most interested in Scorching Burst; if the charge time isn't too long, and if you can get a decent AoE radius out of it, it might become one of our best At-Will options.

    We'll see, the trend seems to be more towards hilariously long casting animations for balance reasons I guess.
  • davecheesedavecheese Member Posts: 170 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Looks good, but there's probably more information to come.
  • kerrovitarrakerrovitarra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 559 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Post on Q&A on Raptr
    We are definitely working on new Paragon Paths internally, but I can't give you an ETA on them just yet. They won't be a part of Fury of the Feywild and we aren't talking much about the release plan after Fury. It's something we think is really exciting so keep checking our web updates because you can be sure we'll talk about it as soon as we can!
  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Did they confirm that the paragon path is for Control Wizard and is not for a new wizard class?
  • dreamhuntressxdreamhuntressx Member Posts: 453 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Most likely to a new Paragon path, since it has the usual format of an At-will, an Encounter, a Daily and 3 Classs Features.
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  • destinyknightdestinyknight Member Posts: 962 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    That and a majority of the spells effects feature using Chill effects. Which the Control Wizard only uses.
  • lordgrimmwoodlordgrimmwood Member Posts: 128 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Where were these seen? I've looked on both Mimic and Owlbear shards and couldn't find them anywhere.
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  • munkey81munkey81 Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I for one am veeeery excited for this new path. They turned the CW into a nuker with dot damage. Chill strike on mastery, everythings burning down and rimfire constantly refreshed. Love it!
  • jawarisinjawarisin Member Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ianthewizard2012 wrote: »
    Did they confirm that the paragon path is for Control Wizard and is not for a new wizard class?

    It's a new class using both chill and arcane mastery,
    It also uses the same spell mastery system as our current CW.
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  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    jawarisin wrote: »
    It's a new class using both chill and arcane mastery,
    It also uses the same spell mastery system as our current CW.
    So it's War Wizard?
  • jawarisinjawarisin Member Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ianthewizard2012 wrote: »
    So it's War Wizard?

    /facepalms
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  • ianthewizard2012ianthewizard2012 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,142 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    jawarisin wrote: »
    /facepalms
    Okay, I'm not sure what was wrong, but is it for a new wizard class or not?
  • jawarisinjawarisin Member Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ianthewizard2012 wrote: »
    Okay, I'm not sure what was wrong, but is it for a new wizard class or not?

    /facepalm x2

    I'm not sure if you're trolling me or not, just in case, it's a new paragon path, there is NO CHANCE for it to be a new wizard.

    The previous statements were COMPLETE sarcasm, hence the facepalm.
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  • destinyknightdestinyknight Member Posts: 962 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    jawarisin wrote: »
    /facepalm x2

    I'm not sure if you're trolling me or not, just in case, it's a new paragon path, there is NO CHANCE for it to be a new wizard.

    The previous statements were COMPLETE sarcasm, hence the facepalm.

    To be honest, those werent very good sarcastic posts.
  • jawarisinjawarisin Member Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    destinyknight wrote: »
    To be honest, those werent very good sarcastic posts.

    It wasn't destined to be mean, only to be obvious.
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