I don't want them removed , I would however like to see epic versions of all the Skirmishes and I would also like a way to do the ones I missed while leveling up my main because seeing the incomplete achievements gets on my nerves lol
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tang56Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Make the skirmish events 10 mins because that's how long it takes to do. I'm speaking for the majority, we'd rather have that 60 mins added to Dungeon Delve or PvP.
Make the skirmish events 10 mins because that's how long it takes to do. I'm speaking for the majority, we'd rather have that 60 mins added to Dungeon Delve or PvP.
The problem with that is that it makes for a very small window of time to get into a skirmish. An hour makes sense because you have a much better chance at gathering a group and finishing the skirmish even if you don't even log in until after the event starts.
Make the skirmish events 10 mins because that's how long it takes to do. I'm speaking for the majority, we'd rather have that 60 mins added to Dungeon Delve or PvP.
Generally anyone to claim they speak for the majority actually speaks for one idiot.
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elewyndylMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
They are boring. Nobody does them. Nobody likes them. They don't pay off.
Thank you.
I like them stop whining. They also have different challenge level. For my level 31 second character Skirmish, PvP and Dungeons is best content. Foundry has been a disappointment to me however a couple good good adventures The With Hammer and the Blood and Sand are are ok however even those take a long time to do compared to many Skirmish matches.
So really do not do Skirmish if you do not like them. I sure avoid most Foundry adventures the only time I do Foundry nowadays is when my casual real life want me to do them. I certainly like Skirmish more then average Foundry adventure.Dungeons are good however sometimes you do not have time for a Dungeon. PvP is also fun.However I still think PvE Skirmish should be in the game as should be!
Can get 10-12 runs of black lake terror in during the hour. Create newb toon, run blacklake, transfer AD, delete newb toon, rinse and repeat next day... Easy money.
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A city to protect
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"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
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I like skirmishes. They're fast and a great way to prep for dungeons if you're a new player.
I just reckon people don't do them that often because they only have one shot at it and queuing takes longer than levelling out of it.
If anything we need more skirmishes available to 60s. That way it won't be a waste of event-time.
Personally I'd agree with the last point... Add multiple types within each level range.
A world to defend
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
The problem with that is that it makes for a very small window of time to get into a skirmish.
That's the beauty of Skirmish, it was designed with queue PuGs in mind. You can have the worst queue PuG team and complete it, given no one is AFK or disconnects mid way.
PvP Domination : 15 mins each round enough for you to do the 4/4 daily(1hour)
Dungeon Delve : 15 mins to zone PuG for a proper party, 45 mins recommended run time (1hour)
Skrimish low level : 5 min zone PuG, 2/2 daily, 15 mins recommended time (35 mins)
Skirmish high level : 5 min zone PuG, no daily, 15 mins recommended time (20 mins)
I think skirmish event should reflect on these times. Either that or add a daily 4/4 quest for level 60 players that would justify its 1 hour event. Because at this point, if you've been playing since beta or launch you're stuck with the same one till the next module. How stale would Dungeon Delves be if you could only do Castle Never because all the previous dungeons were level capped and there was no Epic versions.
I'm not hating on the Skirmish Event or do I want it removed. I just think it's not as robust as the Dungeon Delve Event. Until skirmish let's players access all previous skirmishes and adds an Epic version then I see it being worth the hour.
I don't want skirmishes gone myself. I want them improved. If they want to get the masses running skirmishes other than Blacklake, then they should (imo) to adjust the skirmish hour rewards based on the level, average run time, and difficulty of the skirmish.
I feel the same, getting the same amout of AD from the first skimirsh, "Black lake terror", and from the lvl 60 skirmish "Aberrant Assault" its somehow stupid, even though you're lvl 60 you cant finish aberrant as fast as black lake terror and still you get 1000 AD from both, the only difference i think is you get some random AD drops, and some lvl60 equips and enchantments from aberrant assault, but thats not the case, you should get more AD from higher lvl skirmishes.
Wow. I did not expect 5 pages to come out of saying "Hey guise, skerrmishes sux lolzors."
My bad.
I still think the system is broken and Aberrant Assault is boring. Racetracks are fun I guess when everybody has an epic mount. I myself would much rather go play a foundry. At least it's something different.
Also, I did not say REMOVE SKIRMISHES.
I said REMOVE THE SKIRMISH EVENT.
Wouldn't some more Gauntlgrym be better than skirmish hour? Or maybe even something newer and exciting. I personally think of it as downtime where I have to go do something else.
And no, PWE is not forcing me to do skirmishes. This is why I choose not to do them.
Either way, you dismiss the fact that many people like them. If people like them, they don't want to see the event removed. It is added bonus for doing something they enjoy.
As you acknowledged, you can sit them out, while those that like doing them run them.
Would be nice if at level 60, you could pick any of the skirmishes to do, of course with proper difficulty adjustment.
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klangeddinMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 882Arc User
edited July 2013
Partially, I agree with the OP, but that's becase I dislike the concept of the "content event" during a certain fixed time window. I think it's a flawed design and I would rather see those rewards moved to a related daily quest. (with a proper rebalancing in the quantity of course)
I mean this for EVERY event, not just skirmishes.
In the specific case of skirmishes, they present a strong imbalance between early level and high level, as the easy low level ones can be much more rewarding than the higher level ones. (first skirmish can be done in 5 minutes in a pug of newbies, the last one to be done in 5 minutes would require a full group of level 60 coordinated top players with top gear, in a pug it gets a lot closer to 15-20 minutes and sometimes you wipe too, and the rewards are substantially the same during event)
Also, the fact that at level 60 you only have one skirmish (and to be honest, it's a rather boring one too where you have to mount and dismount continuously), doesn't help at all.
Wow. I did not expect 5 pages to come out of saying "Hey guise, skerrmishes sux lolzors."
My bad.
I still think the system is broken and Aberrant Assault is boring. Racetracks are fun I guess when everybody has an epic mount. I myself would much rather go play a foundry. At least it's something different.
Also, I did not say REMOVE SKIRMISHES.
I said REMOVE THE SKIRMISH EVENT.
Wouldn't some more Gauntlgrym be better than skirmish hour? Or maybe even something newer and exciting. I personally think of it as downtime where I have to go do something else.
And no, PWE is not forcing me to do skirmishes. This is why I choose not to do them.
I see your point and I agree it's valid, but I can counter: I don't have a level 60 yet which makes Gauntlgrym a moot point right now, and I like getting extra AD for doing skirmishes. (Consequently I don't actually know how Gauntlgrym works, except that IIRC you can only enter it during its event times, so I see why more time in it would be nice.) Maybe a compromise would be some of the stuff other people have said -- like epic skirmishes, scaling the AD rewards, etc.? Or maybe make the event apply to skirmishes for <60 and make it more Gauntlgrym time for 60's?
Or maybe make the event apply to skirmishes for <60 and make it more Gauntlgrym time for 60's?
This. Absolutely this. Why waste people's time with Gaunt when they aren't even capable of doing it? Perhaps we can have more than one event at a time? Or Gauntlgrym on a 1 hour cool down timer? Or what have you. There are MANY things that can be done to remedy this and make the game more "eventful."
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bioshrikeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,729Arc User
edited July 2013
Specifically in the case of Aberrant Assault:
1. Give the 1st 2 bosses a blue-quality drop.
2. Give the Eye Tyrant and Oll'Noth purple drops.
3. Create a new type of Mind Flayer enemy that does NOT have the cone disable power, and mix them in with the others, as the amount of disables being spammed is un-fun.
4. Add a campfire partway through - maybe at the 2nd boss or Beholder.
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NOOOOO! I still do the skirmish event. You do not speak for me. I would rather see them implement Epic Skirmishes.
That would be cool too. I'm leaning more towards multiple events now than getting rid of it. To me, personally, I see it as a waste of time. Mix skirmish with Gaunt, DD with profession, etc etc, add some new ones even!
This. Absolutely this. Why waste people's time with Gaunt when they aren't even capable of doing it? Perhaps we can have more than one event at a time? Or Gauntlgrym on a 1 hour cool down timer? Or what have you. There are MANY things that can be done to remedy this and make the game more "eventful."
and why waste time with Gaunt if you aren't interested in PvP or in a guild?... take Gaunt of event cycle as well... same logic applies...
A world to defend
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
and why waste time with Gaunt if you aren't interested in PvP or in a guild?... take Gaunt of event cycle as well... same logic applies...
Why play an MMORPG if you are not interested in a guild or PVP? Go buy an Xbone or something. I like it for everything, I'm just saying is a meager 1000 AD bonus worth the whole hour event? In my opinion, no. Not to mention it's the same one single skirmish at level 60.
This. Absolutely this. Why waste people's time with Gaunt when they aren't even capable of doing it? Perhaps we can have more than one event at a time? Or Gauntlgrym on a 1 hour cool down timer? Or what have you. There are MANY things that can be done to remedy this and make the game more "eventful."
I understand why the events are there, they speed up the queue. But I think you make a great point, as long as GG is up, pre-60's have basically nothing to do (eventwise). Worst case, after the GG events are over you leveled out of your skirmish.
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They are ~15 mins or less until you hit Level 40 or so. The Level 60 Skirmish takes slightly longer than a Epic Cloak Tower run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= http://www.youtube.com/user/moegoodtime
What they need to do is scale Epic versions of all the skirmishes and have them drop a t1 or t2 DD box during skirmish event for 60s.
The problem with that is that it makes for a very small window of time to get into a skirmish. An hour makes sense because you have a much better chance at gathering a group and finishing the skirmish even if you don't even log in until after the event starts.
Kaylee Krankenwagen, level 60 GF | Tavandruil Wayfinder, level 49 GWF | Aldith Langley, level 51 HR
Generally anyone to claim they speak for the majority actually speaks for one idiot.
So really do not do Skirmish if you do not like them. I sure avoid most Foundry adventures the only time I do Foundry nowadays is when my casual real life want me to do them. I certainly like Skirmish more then average Foundry adventure. Dungeons are good however sometimes you do not have time for a Dungeon. PvP is also fun. However I still think PvE Skirmish should be in the game as should be!
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
I just reckon people don't do them that often because they only have one shot at it and queuing takes longer than levelling out of it.
If anything we need more skirmishes available to 60s. That way it won't be a waste of event-time.
Personally I'd agree with the last point... Add multiple types within each level range.
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
erhm... actually my point was to have all the skirmish available as epics for level 60s.
You're talking new content, which is always welcome, but probably not coming soon.
That's the beauty of Skirmish, it was designed with queue PuGs in mind. You can have the worst queue PuG team and complete it, given no one is AFK or disconnects mid way.
PvP Domination : 15 mins each round enough for you to do the 4/4 daily(1hour)
Dungeon Delve : 15 mins to zone PuG for a proper party, 45 mins recommended run time (1hour)
Skrimish low level : 5 min zone PuG, 2/2 daily, 15 mins recommended time (35 mins)
Skirmish high level : 5 min zone PuG, no daily, 15 mins recommended time (20 mins)
I think skirmish event should reflect on these times. Either that or add a daily 4/4 quest for level 60 players that would justify its 1 hour event. Because at this point, if you've been playing since beta or launch you're stuck with the same one till the next module. How stale would Dungeon Delves be if you could only do Castle Never because all the previous dungeons were level capped and there was no Epic versions.
I'm not hating on the Skirmish Event or do I want it removed. I just think it's not as robust as the Dungeon Delve Event. Until skirmish let's players access all previous skirmishes and adds an Epic version then I see it being worth the hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= http://www.youtube.com/user/moegoodtime
I feel the same, getting the same amout of AD from the first skimirsh, "Black lake terror", and from the lvl 60 skirmish "Aberrant Assault" its somehow stupid, even though you're lvl 60 you cant finish aberrant as fast as black lake terror and still you get 1000 AD from both, the only difference i think is you get some random AD drops, and some lvl60 equips and enchantments from aberrant assault, but thats not the case, you should get more AD from higher lvl skirmishes.
My bad.
I still think the system is broken and Aberrant Assault is boring. Racetracks are fun I guess when everybody has an epic mount. I myself would much rather go play a foundry. At least it's something different.
Also, I did not say REMOVE SKIRMISHES.
I said REMOVE THE SKIRMISH EVENT.
Wouldn't some more Gauntlgrym be better than skirmish hour? Or maybe even something newer and exciting. I personally think of it as downtime where I have to go do something else.
And no, PWE is not forcing me to do skirmishes. This is why I choose not to do them.
Also, I did not say REMOVE SKIRMISHES.
I said REMOVE THE SKIRMISH EVENT.
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Either way, you dismiss the fact that many people like them. If people like them, they don't want to see the event removed. It is added bonus for doing something they enjoy.
As you acknowledged, you can sit them out, while those that like doing them run them.
I mean this for EVERY event, not just skirmishes.
In the specific case of skirmishes, they present a strong imbalance between early level and high level, as the easy low level ones can be much more rewarding than the higher level ones. (first skirmish can be done in 5 minutes in a pug of newbies, the last one to be done in 5 minutes would require a full group of level 60 coordinated top players with top gear, in a pug it gets a lot closer to 15-20 minutes and sometimes you wipe too, and the rewards are substantially the same during event)
Also, the fact that at level 60 you only have one skirmish (and to be honest, it's a rather boring one too where you have to mount and dismount continuously), doesn't help at all.
I see your point and I agree it's valid, but I can counter: I don't have a level 60 yet which makes Gauntlgrym a moot point right now, and I like getting extra AD for doing skirmishes. (Consequently I don't actually know how Gauntlgrym works, except that IIRC you can only enter it during its event times, so I see why more time in it would be nice.) Maybe a compromise would be some of the stuff other people have said -- like epic skirmishes, scaling the AD rewards, etc.? Or maybe make the event apply to skirmishes for <60 and make it more Gauntlgrym time for 60's?
Kaylee Krankenwagen, level 60 GF | Tavandruil Wayfinder, level 49 GWF | Aldith Langley, level 51 HR
This. Absolutely this. Why waste people's time with Gaunt when they aren't even capable of doing it? Perhaps we can have more than one event at a time? Or Gauntlgrym on a 1 hour cool down timer? Or what have you. There are MANY things that can be done to remedy this and make the game more "eventful."
1. Give the 1st 2 bosses a blue-quality drop.
2. Give the Eye Tyrant and Oll'Noth purple drops.
3. Create a new type of Mind Flayer enemy that does NOT have the cone disable power, and mix them in with the others, as the amount of disables being spammed is un-fun.
4. Add a campfire partway through - maybe at the 2nd boss or Beholder.
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2. Put something new on zen store.
3. ???
4. Profit.
Would be nice to see something new every time PWE tries to line their pockets. *cough* meh Just ranting at this point. Still mad about the patch.
That would be cool too. I'm leaning more towards multiple events now than getting rid of it. To me, personally, I see it as a waste of time. Mix skirmish with Gaunt, DD with profession, etc etc, add some new ones even!
I agree, this would be something I'd look forward too, and maybe get a little more excitement into the game.
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
Why play an MMORPG if you are not interested in a guild or PVP? Go buy an Xbone or something. I like it for everything, I'm just saying is a meager 1000 AD bonus worth the whole hour event? In my opinion, no. Not to mention it's the same one single skirmish at level 60.
I understand why the events are there, they speed up the queue. But I think you make a great point, as long as GG is up, pre-60's have basically nothing to do (eventwise). Worst case, after the GG events are over you leveled out of your skirmish.
Just a really bad fail troll attempt.