this game has been out for a month already and i wish i could say i have supported this game buy buying some of the awesome packs/cash shop items (really I do) but i simply think they are over priced. here is my opinion why.
Several years ago I purchased an extremely popular MMO i paid $40 for the "Battlechest" that included the core content and the first THREE expansion packs as well as another month of subscription (along with the one month free that came with it) all said i had spent $55 plus tax.
This came with 12 races and 10 classes and 15 professions.
So it boggles my mind that for this game i should pay MORE than the entire other game for just 1 race (I only mention the race though there is much more in the pack but it is all just fluff and i couldn't care less about any of it) and still have a staggeringly less amount of content.
i would gladly spend 15 dollars a month here if i felt i got enough for my money but getting 1 profession asset pack is more than a whole month there so....
EDIT: TLDR; buying this 1 pack after 1 month would mean i would have spent more than the amount I spent for 2 months there plus the whole game
Well like you said yourself you got the core game and 3 expansions. I'm assuming you are talking about the pandaland mmo which means that game has been out for close to what 8 years now and you are comparing it in terms of content to a game that has been out 2 months? Just one flaw in your post.
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werealchemistMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Well like you said yourself you got the core game and 3 expansions. I'm assuming you are talking about the pandaland mmo which means that game has been out for close to what 8 years now and you are comparing it in terms of content to a game that has been out 2 months? Just one flaw in your post.
yeah but i quit that <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> before pandaland came out
the point is not so much about comparing the games but what you get for spending the same amount of money in the games.
yeah but i quit that <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> before pandaland came out
the point is not so much about comparing the games but what you get for spending the same amount of money in the games.
What you've got with the battlechest was the core game and a few expansions that were outdated and the games were on sale to draw more people in to buy the games and pay the monthly subscription
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nick1sternMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 330Bounty Hunter
edited July 2013
Actually the hard copy battlechest included the core the 1st expansion the burning crusade and
the manual, startegy guides and a free month.
The digita lincluded the core the 1st expansion the Burning crusade and the 2nd expansion
the Wrath of the Lich King.
Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria have never been included in any BattleChest.
I got mine free when I purchased other software at Best Buy they were giving the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> away to clear the shelves.
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werealchemistMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
What you've got with the battlechest was the core game and a few expansions that were outdated and the games were on sale to draw more people in to buy the games and pay the monthly subscription
It was up to the current expansion at the time. And you are still missing the point.
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werealchemistMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
All that shows is that you got a battlechest not what was included lol. You got discounted software for a game that has been out for years and you are comparing it to this game that has been out two months.
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nick1sternMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 330Bounty Hunter
not sure what that proves a mainly blank page saying Battlechest with no description of what was purchased.
The WoW wiki clearly states what was included in all versions of the Battlechest.
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werealchemistMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
All that shows is that you got a battlechest not what was included lol. You got discounted software for a game that has been out for years and you are comparing it to this game that has been out two months.
are you <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>? you just keep repeating the same thing everytime you post. for the last time it has nothing to do with the game content in its self but how much it costs to get far less. for example paying $60 for a 1 race vs. buying 12
I'll even be so nice as to include the whole game into the value of the 1 race pack even still its 8 races and 5 classes vs.12 races and 10 classes.
not sure what that proves a mainly blank page saying Battlechest with no description of what was purchased.
The WoW wiki clearly states what was included in all versions of the Battlechest.
it states that i purchased "battlechest to cataclysm" for 39.99 usd
i updated the picture to be easier to see
it doesn't get more definitive than this if you don't believe it then I wont debate it.
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jihancritiasMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Well like you said yourself you got the core game and 3 expansions. I'm assuming you are talking about the pandaland mmo which means that game has been out for close to what 8 years now and you are comparing it in terms of content to a game that has been out 2 months? Just one flaw in your post.
At $50, that other game, at the very beginning, was a heck of a lot more involved than this game.
TL : DR? Then don't waste my time responding.
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werealchemistMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
At $50, that other game, at the very beginning, was a heck of a lot more involved than this game.
Though this is true it still deviates from the topic, this thread is not about content vs content (that is not really a fair match)
it is about the price of content vs. what you get
EDIT: yes i realize it can be hard to distinguish the difference
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xhritMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2013
And how much did you have to pay to play wow 2 months after it was released? 50$ + 15$ a month?
it states that i purchased "battlechest to cataclysm" for 39.99 usd
i updated the picture to be easier to see
it doesn't get more definitive than this if you don't believe it then I wont debate it.
Yeah its interesting to see how you got a battlechest that included an expansion that released on December 7th of 2012, but you managed to get it on the 3rd.
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nick1sternMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 330Bounty Hunter
it states that i purchased "battlechest to cataclysm" for 39.99 usd
i updated the picture to be easier to see
it doesn't get more definitive than this if you don't believe it then I wont debate it.
Yeah it is readable now before it looked like a blacked out real name.
The WoW wiki is seriously out of Date.
Point still stands that after that first free month you paid for everything just to have access to what you already paid for.
I never have to pay a dime here.
If I do spend I never have to pay each month to have access to what I chose to purchase.
I can not be locked out of the Race the mount the companion the outfit the .... get the point.
In the F2P model it is a choice and if you chose to spend you never get locked out when you decide
not to pay any longer unlike WoW or and other P2P game.
Funny also is it not those P2P games also now have cash shops for extras not included in the base.
So yeah much more value here then there.
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nick1sternMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 330Bounty Hunter
Yeah its interesting to see how you got a battlechest that included an expansion that released on December 7th of 2012, but you managed to get it on the 3rd.
Actually it released Decenber 7th 2010 but they had pre orders well before that as most games do.
So that is possible.
Actually it released Decenber 7th 2010 but they had pre orders well before that as most games do.
So that is possible.
But I do remember that when Cataclysm released, even the digital, it wasnt included in the battlechest and especially not for cheaper then the MSRP. They were getting full price for that expansion for as long as they could.
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werealchemistMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Yeah its interesting to see how you got a battlechest that included an expansion that released on December 7th of 2012, but you managed to get it on the 3rd.
/facepalm
you have indeed confirmed my assertion that you are indeed <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> December 7th is the date it went live.
and to show you how it works I don't even have to go far.
The feywild pack is available to buy right now, however (like the content that I bought at the time) the content you purchase will not be available until a later date.
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nick1sternMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 330Bounty Hunter
But I do remember that when Cataclysm released, even the digital, it wasnt included in the battlechest and especially not for cheaper then the MSRP. They were getting full price for that expansion for as long as they could.
true I know pre orders started in late October for the expansion.
I do find it hard to believe they had it in a battle chest so early.
If the image showed 2012 a couple years later yeah maybe.
Honestly the WoW wiki is so out of date and not having a battelnet account
I can not check there to see the original dates (lost interest in Kiddy WoW well before Cat)
it does seem to be questionable.
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werealchemistMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
true I know pre orders started in late October for the expansion.
I do find it hard to believe they had it in a battle chest so early.
If the image showed 2012 a couple years later yeah maybe.
Honestly the WoW wiki is so out of date and not having a battelnet account
I can not check there to see the original dates (lost interest in Kiddy WoW well before Cat)
it does seem to be questionable.
aside from telling my battlenet acct. info i don't know how else to prove this.
also this is getting off topic
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chidy1776Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2013
Remember OP that other game also makes u pay by the month to play it. Thats why they can give u everythng else. NW only makes money from stuff like the founders packs and zen store.
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nick1sternMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 330Bounty Hunter
/facepalm
you have indeed confirmed my assertion that you are indeed <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> December 7th is the date it went live.
and to show you how it works I don't even have to go far.
The feywild pack is available to buy right now, however (like the content that I bought at the time) the content you purchase will not be available until a later date.
But the Cat expansion was $39.99 new.
I doubt that you purchased all the previous content and
cat for the same price.
I am betting you alrady Had the battlechest and bought what
was refered to as the battlechest to Cataclysm expansion.
Which was the Cat expansion added through digital purchase
to your existing battle chest.
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bioshrikeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,729Arc User
edited July 2013
For like $50 I can get a pack that comes with like every Command & Conquer game since 1995! OMG this is so expensive! /sarcasm
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I don't disagree that the expansion is a bit pricey, but the action that would make the devs take notice isn't going to happen and that is lack of or reduced sales, everyone I know who is a Drizzt fan is doing the /snoopydance over this, it's going to sell a shameful amount and in the long run that is going to benefit future expansions (which I hope feature places like the Shadowfell) after the ranger class is released you can truly be drizzt (Drow Ranger with a Big black kitty and a Unicorn to ride) and that is a license to print money. So while I may be groaning rolling my eyes and facepalming, I also know that from a business point a view it is a smart first expansion pack to have.
Remember OP that other game also makes u pay by the month to play it. Thats why they can give u everythng else. NW only makes money from stuff like the founders packs and zen store.
I understand the logic behind this and it seems very sound on the surface.
and i would be fine spending the same amount of money here for the price of the subscription there if i felt i was getting my moneys worth.
I spend 15 dollars there and have everything available full bags, virtually unlimited respecs, 10 character slots PER SERVER ect
I spend 15 dollars here well <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> that wont even get me a good mount....
But the Cat expansion was $39.99 new.
I doubt that you purchased all the previous content and
cat for the same price.
I am betting you alrady Had the battlechest and bought what
was refered to as the battlechest to Cataclysm expansion.
Which was the Cat expansion added through digital purchase
to your existing battle chest.
no, prior to that purchase i had only played on a friends acct to try it out.
I had not made any previous purchases (or even had a battlenet acct) prior to that.
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werealchemistMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I don't disagree that the expansion is a bit pricey, but the action that would make the devs take notice isn't going to happen and that is lack of or reduced sales, everyone I know who is a Drizzt fan is doing the /snoopydance over this, it's going to sell a shameful amount and in the long run that is going to benefit future expansions (which I hope feature places like the Shadowfell) after the ranger class is released you can truly be drizzt (Drow Ranger with a Big black kitty and a Unicorn to ride) and that is a license to print money. So while I may be groaning rolling my eyes and facepalming, I also know that from a business point a view it is a smart first expansion pack to have.
the expansion its self doesn't cost a thing so i'm confused by this comment......
no, prior to that purchase i had only played on a friends acct to try it out.
I had not made any previous purchases (or even had a battlenet acct) prior to that.
So somehow you purchased a battlechest that doesnt even exist anywhere?
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nick1sternMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 330Bounty Hunter
no, prior to that purchase i had only played on a friends acct to try it out.
I had not made any previous purchases (or even had a battlenet acct) prior to that.
Is it possible you had the game preinstalled on a computer?
I know I had a comp with it preinstalled can not remember which version however.
Once your account was created and the update occoured you would have only
needed to purchase cat to be fully up to date.
Because honestly they would not have sold Cat and all prior expansions as a battlechest
as a preorder costing less then the current battlechest and a brand new expansion at a loss.
At that time there was no battlechest containing Lich King and Cat.
Also no paying $15 per month does not get you everything.
Subscription games including WoW have stores as well getting you
optional Items that have little to ne affect on content and game play.
This Pack s the same it is not related to actual content and game play.
The expansion is free. Optional Items Wants not needs cost extra Just like
uber mounts costumes companions in oW which have much greater impact on game play.
People can keep crying all they want about cost of the pack.
reality this is a better deal then a P2P game where you lose access
to what you paid for if you no longer chose to Pay or can not pay
for some reason.
Once I buy the Pack it is mine till the game goes offline. That is not true in any P2P.
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nick1sternMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 330Bounty Hunter
I don't disagree that the expansion is a bit pricey
Since when is $0 thats Zero Dollars qualify as Pricey.
The expansion is free.
optional non required content cosmetic mainly costs extra
for those that like the optional items and chose to support the game.
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fmstalkerMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 3Arc User
edited July 2013
OP, I guess it depends on how you look at it.
This pack isn't need to play the expansion content. The expansion is free.
This pack gives you a purple mount and a purple companion, each of which run 30 bucks in the zen store, that's the cost of the pack right there. But you get these items for every character you make and already have. That price can't be measured because it really depends on how many characters you make. You also get another character slot, and the 600k AD is 1/3 of the cost of the pack.
The way I see it, you buy the mount and companion for one character, and get them free for every other you ever make. That makes the pack worth it right there, the rest of the stuff is just icing.
Also, the way I look at it is that in a game like WoW, you are renting the game for 30 days. If you don't pay again, you don't play. Period. With Neverwinter, you can pay that same 15 bucks a month, but when you stop paying you own whatever you spent it on. You never have to pay again and you aren't locked out of anything you bought with it.
Now, maybe you get all your bags and a mount and such without spending a dime in WoW, but again, you have to pay that 15 a month to use them. Here, you pay 30 bucks, get a mount, and never spend another dime unless you want to. So, 15 for a 30 day rental or 30 for a lifetime purchase....I'll go with the second option every time.
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yeah but i quit that <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> before pandaland came out
the point is not so much about comparing the games but what you get for spending the same amount of money in the games.
What you've got with the battlechest was the core game and a few expansions that were outdated and the games were on sale to draw more people in to buy the games and pay the monthly subscription
the manual, startegy guides and a free month.
The digita lincluded the core the 1st expansion the Burning crusade and the 2nd expansion
the Wrath of the Lich King.
Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria have never been included in any BattleChest.
I got mine free when I purchased other software at Best Buy they were giving the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> away to clear the shelves.
It was up to the current expansion at the time. And you are still missing the point.
yes they have
All that shows is that you got a battlechest not what was included lol. You got discounted software for a game that has been out for years and you are comparing it to this game that has been out two months.
not sure what that proves a mainly blank page saying Battlechest with no description of what was purchased.
The WoW wiki clearly states what was included in all versions of the Battlechest.
are you <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>? you just keep repeating the same thing everytime you post. for the last time it has nothing to do with the game content in its self but how much it costs to get far less. for example paying $60 for a 1 race vs. buying 12
I'll even be so nice as to include the whole game into the value of the 1 race pack even still its 8 races and 5 classes vs.12 races and 10 classes.
it states that i purchased "battlechest to cataclysm" for 39.99 usd
i updated the picture to be easier to see
it doesn't get more definitive than this if you don't believe it then I wont debate it.
At $50, that other game, at the very beginning, was a heck of a lot more involved than this game.
Though this is true it still deviates from the topic, this thread is not about content vs content (that is not really a fair match)
it is about the price of content vs. what you get
EDIT: yes i realize it can be hard to distinguish the difference
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Yeah its interesting to see how you got a battlechest that included an expansion that released on December 7th of 2012, but you managed to get it on the 3rd.
Yeah it is readable now before it looked like a blacked out real name.
The WoW wiki is seriously out of Date.
Point still stands that after that first free month you paid for everything just to have access to what you already paid for.
I never have to pay a dime here.
If I do spend I never have to pay each month to have access to what I chose to purchase.
I can not be locked out of the Race the mount the companion the outfit the .... get the point.
In the F2P model it is a choice and if you chose to spend you never get locked out when you decide
not to pay any longer unlike WoW or and other P2P game.
Funny also is it not those P2P games also now have cash shops for extras not included in the base.
So yeah much more value here then there.
Actually it released Decenber 7th 2010 but they had pre orders well before that as most games do.
So that is possible.
But I do remember that when Cataclysm released, even the digital, it wasnt included in the battlechest and especially not for cheaper then the MSRP. They were getting full price for that expansion for as long as they could.
/facepalm
you have indeed confirmed my assertion that you are indeed <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> December 7th is the date it went live.
and to show you how it works I don't even have to go far.
The feywild pack is available to buy right now, however (like the content that I bought at the time) the content you purchase will not be available until a later date.
true I know pre orders started in late October for the expansion.
I do find it hard to believe they had it in a battle chest so early.
If the image showed 2012 a couple years later yeah maybe.
Honestly the WoW wiki is so out of date and not having a battelnet account
I can not check there to see the original dates (lost interest in Kiddy WoW well before Cat)
it does seem to be questionable.
aside from telling my battlenet acct. info i don't know how else to prove this.
also this is getting off topic
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But the Cat expansion was $39.99 new.
I doubt that you purchased all the previous content and
cat for the same price.
I am betting you alrady Had the battlechest and bought what
was refered to as the battlechest to Cataclysm expansion.
Which was the Cat expansion added through digital purchase
to your existing battle chest.
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I understand the logic behind this and it seems very sound on the surface.
and i would be fine spending the same amount of money here for the price of the subscription there if i felt i was getting my moneys worth.
I spend 15 dollars there and have everything available full bags, virtually unlimited respecs, 10 character slots PER SERVER ect
I spend 15 dollars here well <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> that wont even get me a good mount....
no, prior to that purchase i had only played on a friends acct to try it out.
I had not made any previous purchases (or even had a battlenet acct) prior to that.
the expansion its self doesn't cost a thing so i'm confused by this comment......
So somehow you purchased a battlechest that doesnt even exist anywhere?
Is it possible you had the game preinstalled on a computer?
I know I had a comp with it preinstalled can not remember which version however.
Once your account was created and the update occoured you would have only
needed to purchase cat to be fully up to date.
Because honestly they would not have sold Cat and all prior expansions as a battlechest
as a preorder costing less then the current battlechest and a brand new expansion at a loss.
At that time there was no battlechest containing Lich King and Cat.
Also no paying $15 per month does not get you everything.
Subscription games including WoW have stores as well getting you
optional Items that have little to ne affect on content and game play.
This Pack s the same it is not related to actual content and game play.
The expansion is free. Optional Items Wants not needs cost extra Just like
uber mounts costumes companions in oW which have much greater impact on game play.
People can keep crying all they want about cost of the pack.
reality this is a better deal then a P2P game where you lose access
to what you paid for if you no longer chose to Pay or can not pay
for some reason.
Once I buy the Pack it is mine till the game goes offline. That is not true in any P2P.
Since when is $0 thats Zero Dollars qualify as Pricey.
The expansion is free.
optional non required content cosmetic mainly costs extra
for those that like the optional items and chose to support the game.
This pack isn't need to play the expansion content. The expansion is free.
This pack gives you a purple mount and a purple companion, each of which run 30 bucks in the zen store, that's the cost of the pack right there. But you get these items for every character you make and already have. That price can't be measured because it really depends on how many characters you make. You also get another character slot, and the 600k AD is 1/3 of the cost of the pack.
The way I see it, you buy the mount and companion for one character, and get them free for every other you ever make. That makes the pack worth it right there, the rest of the stuff is just icing.
Also, the way I look at it is that in a game like WoW, you are renting the game for 30 days. If you don't pay again, you don't play. Period. With Neverwinter, you can pay that same 15 bucks a month, but when you stop paying you own whatever you spent it on. You never have to pay again and you aren't locked out of anything you bought with it.
Now, maybe you get all your bags and a mount and such without spending a dime in WoW, but again, you have to pay that 15 a month to use them. Here, you pay 30 bucks, get a mount, and never spend another dime unless you want to. So, 15 for a 30 day rental or 30 for a lifetime purchase....I'll go with the second option every time.
But that's just me I guess.