Endgame CW need advices

sigmundjustice

Hi fellow CW.

My name is Gorax and i am currently running full SW set with these stats

Power: 4k
Arp: 1,5k
Crit:3,5k
Recovery: 3k
Defense: 1,5k

My first question is about the paragon build. I ran both renegade and thaumaturge and i have a slight preference for renegade, but i'm thaumaturge now because I feel my stats weren't giving renegade full power.

I'm in the process of finishing my greater Plague Fire ench. Considering my crit and the bonuses to crit from renegade, is it viable to use Vorpal over plague fire for a wizard running CN?

The other wizard i play with is thaumaturge with greater plague, do we get more benefits running both thauma or use different builds?

Last questions, is theres a very up to date renegade guide i can look at before i make a final switch?

Excuse my poor english, i'm impatient to discuss with you

kattefjaes

Your English seems perfectly adequate, you make perfect sense

That said, I'm going to annoy you now, by telling you that if you want to be effective in PvE endgame, these days a Thaum spec with High Vizier set is more optimal. Shadow Weaver is still useful, especially if you're in a group with someone else using HV (the debuffs seem not to stack, so it's a good "spare" set), but given a free choice of either set, I would be going for the HV these days.

The thing is, your primary job is control. If you spec well, and gear well, you can do a lot of CC and excellent multi-target DPS. Renegade is a bit of a spent force, at this point.

Other remarks:

Plaguefire is excellent- since you're the one doing the most AoE, you're the most efficient source of the debuff. Vorpal also works really well. If there are two people applying Plaguefire to lots of targets, that's sometimes a bit inefficient. In a perfect world, you'd have a weapon with each, and swap to the Vorpal one if you feel that your Plaguefire is currently redundant. Obviously, that's expensive, though.

A lot of people like to show off and brag, and prioritise personal damage numbers over party effectiveness. These people will usually opt for Vorpal all the time. However, in a party where Plaguefire isn't being applied to most of the mobs, most of the time, a CW will increase group DPS more by using Plaguefire than he would with bigger personal crits.

So you see, it's not completely simple. Neither is a bad choice, and neither is a better choice in all situations. If you can only afford one, I would personally be inclined to go for the Plaguefire, but then, I am quite team-focussed and optimisation obsessed.

As to the two thaum wizards thing.. Certainly in the fights that need serious add control, I would personally rather see a couple of thaum CWs, as they'd apply more control. In other fights, well.. a good thaum still out-dpsses any other spec post patch. I'm not sure about other spec synergies- partly because I rarely come across a competent who plays anything other than thaum in PvE The quick answer is "I don't know", but I would be really reluctant to give you any any encouragement to go rene for this, as you'd be gimping yourself badly when playing as sole CW, otherwise.

kerrovitarra

For weapon enchants use vorpal or lightning. Leave plague for tanks and other support roles. BTW, plaguefire doesn't stacks.
Frost specced thau does a lot of single target DPS. Rene is for aoe only: it's single target damage sucks.
As for control, it's no matter what spec wizard is. Singularity has every wizard.

a good thaum still out-dpsses any other spec post patch.

Woot? Other class? Still competitive with rogue in DPS for single target. Other wizard spec? Almost equal with rene.

thorizden

I haven't seen a Renegade CW compete with a Thaurm build for DPS (AoE AND single target) since the last major patch. The only edge Rene has in st upfront burst, which is why its a better PvP spec. Over the course a boss fight the Thaurm will greatly exceed what a Rene can do with similar GS.

kattefjaes

kerrovitarra wrote: »

For weapon enchants use vorpal or lightning. Leave plague for tanks and other support roles. BTW, plaguefire doesn't stacks.
Frost specced thau does a lot of single target DPS. Rene is for aoe only: it's single target damage sucks.
As for control, it's no matter what spec wizard is. Singularity has every wizard.

Woot? Other class? Still competitive with rogue in DPS for single target. Other wizard spec? Almost equal with rene.

A lot of this is wrong or out of date. Just FYI.

kerrovitarra

What exactly?
Lightning (~12% total DPS) or vorpal outdated?
Frost thau mage's single DPS? 240k crits from ice knife w/o vorpal and 10k+ DPS on single target fights.
Or maybe some wizard specs get an extra control?

sigmundjustice

Thanks for all of your answers! Since i bought the respec token i'll give a shot at renegade thaumaturge combo and thau thau combo in CN, i'll come back with some feedbacks if there's interested players!

Unfortunatly i dont have enough money to try both greater vorp and greater plague, i have to go with plague for my tests and hope for someone to give me good feedback on High Vorpal + SW + Renegade build overall efficiency.