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hror
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1 Arc User
All I can think of every time I look at the Zen market is all the things I would love to have there but to me are not worth $25+. I think if the prices were lowered then the they would make far more money than they are at the current prices. for example, I love the cool mounts and companions but for one convenience item I and I am sure many others are not willing to fork out $35 for. That is a lot of money and in most other online games would get you much better items. I am sure that if the prices were lowered a huge increase in item sales would be seen and in turn a greater flow of these items in the auction house and improved in game economic results as well as better profits for the developers. I know that personally if I could get a cool mount or companion for $10-$15 I would be willing to spend that as it is much more reasonable.
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All I can think of is don't use the Zen market? Seems pretty straight forward to me... What is "reasonable" is completely different from one person to another. I am extremely confident that if Cryptic/PWE has researched the price to profit margins with volume of sales extensively.
The thing is that it is all subjective. Cryptic look at their metric sale figures and determine prices. Notice that some item had a price drop others did not. This mean they are selling "enough" to warrant high prices.
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I simply am NOT going to pay more for virtual Dye in REAL $, than it would cost to gather dye the old ways in real life, and mix it myself. ( estimated at 12 sets of clothes for $2, not 1.33 sets of clothes for $6 )
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it's a serious sad state, of game when virtual goods, cost more real $, than the real goods do in real life.
Dye
(also, "gather & mix it myself" includes a cost in time, effort, tools, and knowledge/training.)
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Anyway - OP, the solution is.... if you don't think it's worth the money, don't buy it. If enough people think the same way as you, they'll adjust the prices (or have frequent sales).
Good luck with that.
Purple dyes...
Tyrian purple was expensive: the 4th-century-BC historian Theopompus reported, "Purple for dyes fetched its weight in silver at Colophon" in Asia Minor.[1] The expense meant that purple-dyed textiles became status symbols, and early sumptuary laws restricted their uses. The production of Tyrian purple was tightly controlled in Byzantium and was subsidized by the imperial court, which restricted its use for the colouring of imperial silks,[2] so that a child born to a reigning emperor was porphyrogenitos, "born in the purple", although this term may also refer to the fact that the imperial birthing apartment was walled in the purple-red rock known as porphyry.
The dye substance comprises a mucous secretion from the hypobranchial gland of one of several medium-sized predatory sea snails that are found in the eastern Mediterranean. These are the marine gastropods Bolinus brandaris the spiny dyemurex, (originally known as Murex brandaris (Linnaeus, 1758)), the banded dye-murex Hexaplex trunculus, and the rock-shell Stramonita haemastoma
Let us know how your trip to find predatory sea snails in the Mediterranean goes.
Indigo dye:-
A variety of plants have provided indigo throughout history, but most natural indigo was obtained from those in the genus Indigofera, which are native to the tropics. The primary commercial indigo species in Asia was true indigo (Indigofera tinctoria, also known as Indigofera sumatrana). A common alternative used in the relatively colder subtropical locations such as Japan's Ryukyu Islands and Taiwan is Strobilanthes cusia (Japanese: リュウキュウアイ. Chinese: 馬藍/山藍).
and let us know about this trip as well. Don't forget to factor in the cost of all the travel to find the natural materials for these dyes.
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Apparently poke-salad does not grow there..... I can make purple dye all day long off the weeds in my back yard.... the freaking bird-bombs here are half purple too.
Therefore i will not buy it.
Also i think if the lowered the prices people would spend more to receive more. 3500Zen for a 110% mount is like
I hear this argument in pretty much every F2P MMO out there, and every time I hear it I know the person making the statement proves once again that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Yes Supply and Demand in it's most basic form does say that when the price goes down the demand goes up. This does not however mean that simply reducing the price by 25% means a 25%+ increase in sales. This argument quite simply fails everytime it's made because the person making it has no way of knowing what the current sales figures are, or what the projected increase in sales will be at a reduction of X%.
It is a simplistic argument made for no other reason then a justification for someone to get a deal on something they want but aren't willing to pay the current price for.
If you can get REAL dye into a virtual world, I would love to know how. My wife makes awesome dye and would love to see some cool colors in NW
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correct. and 3500 zen is ****all if you do any hard dungeons
Here's my thing with the prices. First, they can charge whatever they want, and you can pay it, or grind the ADs on your own and buy the Zen that way (aka Free) if you want to. Someone will always feel Zen store items are over priced, no matter what. The real problem I have is that the whole AD store, Zen Store thing is horribly broken. First, most (not all) Zen store items are almost worthless. There will always be collector players, but in a practical sense, one 110% mount is all you'll ever need since it's an account unlock. Beyond that, most of the companions are really not that useful.
On the AD front - one example. You can buy a training tome to upgrade your mounts from 1 to 2 and from 2 to 3. The total cost for that is ~3million ADs. However, for just over 1m you can buy enough Zen to get the purple horse from the Zen store. So.. you can pay 3m to upgrade a character locked basic horse to 110%, or 1m to buy a 110% account-wide mount. Crazy, huh?
I really like how they've made ADs so much more easy to come by due to the Auction House -- that's a great touch because a lot of the highest end loot is very valuable and with a few lucky drops you can have a million ADs pretty easily, which translates into a couple thousand Zen (give or take based on market price). Personally, I think the Zen store is priced about right, although I think more of those things should be account unlocks (companions, for example). I also thing they should drop gear/special part of the AD store completely -- the items are not REMOTELY worth the cost with the single exception of the Cat companion, which they should put in the Zen store priced about the same as the Ioun Stone of Allure. Then, let the AD store be purely for consumables (scrolls, enchants, etc), which are priced pretty accurately in my opinion.
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The zen prices ARE way too high, and it is making their sales lower than they could be. If they lowered the prices, they would make more money via more sales, and at the same time ease the image of PWE as a soulless money vacuum with no care for QC, balance, or fairness. These high prices just reinforce the notion that this is nothing but a cash grab disguised as a game, in that it seems like they want to make as much as they can as fast as they can and then move on to the next cash grab disguised as a game. That alone puts off even more people from spending money, even if they could easily afford to spend a lot, because people (that aren't mentally ill) do not willingly throw money at a clear rip off, because people do not like to feel ripped off.
I only have like 4000 AD because I spent it all on retraining token, though S:
Someday!
What? 1 million AD? I got about 900 zen for some 190 000 AD or something. Perhaps 210 000AD
And you've seen their sales reports so you actually know what their sale rates are?
No you haven't so you can't actually know how high or low their sale rates are, and have no way of knowing if they are near what they have projected the sales need to be for them to make what ever RoI they are shooting for.
They have a couple years between STO and CO to know what prices should be, it's not like they just picked a number out of the air.
Agree with Vanor here. This is a supply/demand optimization for "paying" customers. To add more color here beyond high level talk (which seems like some people are simply just complaining and trying to rationalize themselves with no basis), generally about 10 - 15% of a F2P are paying customers. For a game like PWRD, average revenue per "paying" person from this pool is around $50-100 per month depending on stickiness of the game.
If you don't really fall in this category then there's an obvious reason why your complaints dont matter. For example, should BestBuy lower the price of that sick super large LED screen you want? Unfortunatley, if you aren't their customer target then you dont factor into the supply/demand equation here.
Yup. That is why I said when the price drop at launch because those items prices were "too high" according to PWE numbers so they lower it. NOT all items are lowered so that mean that those items are selling at the rate the PWE are happy with.
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You can disscuss this foreward and backwards, I say the prices in the ZEN-Market are too high.
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YOU may not, but someone IS buying them. The good part is that the item is sellable on AH for AD so you can buy them using AD instead of Zen.
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Nobody cares whether you choose to pay for virtual dyes or not.