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Please give these ppl a guide on how to deal with each classes in 1v1
furion192
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I am not a pro player, but I am a skilled TR I believe and I only played 2 classes to lvl 60 so not sure if I have the full right to post guides here about PvP I am asking for ppl who r very experience in PvP to post guides here.
Please give these ppl a guide on how to deal with each classes in 1v1. Post your guides on how to deal with each classes in a 1v1. Because I'm tired of seeing threads about nerfing these class and that class especially TR who gets so much nerf already yet ppl r still whining when get killed. My opinion these classes r the only class who needs a nerf. Yes, TR's perma stealth must be nerf but after that, that's it no more nerfing for TR srsly. Some ppl aren't only asking for perma stealth nerf but also their damage simply they want TR to be useless in PvE.-_- GF needs to get a damage nerf because their damage is not normal for a tank. Not sure if GWF needs a nerf because they can carry their entire team in a PvP when they attack the top tower and takes 2-4 ppl to kill them.
And some ppl r complaining about how OP an X class simply because they don't know how to deal with them. Feel free to post ur 1v1 guides here pls. Thank you!
Please give these ppl a guide on how to deal with each classes in 1v1. Post your guides on how to deal with each classes in a 1v1. Because I'm tired of seeing threads about nerfing these class and that class especially TR who gets so much nerf already yet ppl r still whining when get killed. My opinion these classes r the only class who needs a nerf. Yes, TR's perma stealth must be nerf but after that, that's it no more nerfing for TR srsly. Some ppl aren't only asking for perma stealth nerf but also their damage simply they want TR to be useless in PvE.-_- GF needs to get a damage nerf because their damage is not normal for a tank. Not sure if GWF needs a nerf because they can carry their entire team in a PvP when they attack the top tower and takes 2-4 ppl to kill them.
And some ppl r complaining about how OP an X class simply because they don't know how to deal with them. Feel free to post ur 1v1 guides here pls. Thank you!
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Says who? well many ppl said it these thread explains how a Tank's damage is not normal.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?369511-Rogues-tearing-up-about-GF-s-in-pvp/page2
Credits to the one who posted the picture
Steel and Magic
See, most classes have different builds available, GF included. As mentioned, Conqueror tree is DPS-focused, not defense-focused, so it's WAI. Demanding to change the classes according to a very narrow view of how they *should* be played while the devs are listening is what kills the fun in games like these.
There should be build variety, esp. considering that DPS-focused fighter builds are typical in PnP D&D, so that option should be there. The game doesn't follow the "holy trinity" to the T, deal with it.
To keep this on topic: 1v1 guides are a bit silly tbh, there is a reason why we only have team PvP, it's because it's balanced for groups not for single classes. It'd be boring if everyone could just fight 1v1. Teamwork means more than anything here.
Kills don't mean much either. It's a domination-type game, holding points and team coordination is worth more than kills. I've had numerous games where one team was wiping the floor with the other in terms of k/d but still lost because they couldn't control the nodes. People gotta get over measuring their e-peen by k/d, this isn't CoD.
Yes, everyone agrees TR, CW, GWF and GF deal too much dmg and should be nerfed (except the people who play said classes).
Also nearly everyone agrees that DC's are a joke now.
I can help u, its all about timing when fighting gw. When u evade 1 encounter gw cant do much. Learn pattern what oponent are using. Gosh, its basics. U never got to real fight with tough opponent?
And i disagree with DC. They are extreamly hard too kill when equiped. They dont fight 1vs1, they are team dependant. U never encountered 2 DC even after the patch, still imposible to win with that team. How u suggest to change DC so 2 DC party would be winable?
Steel and Magic
You just have to ignore the whiners who would rather make up stories and rage against anything they don't want to know.
After that link I can't say anything else then l2p, im sry but thats the truth.
This is such a joke... 2 DC = autoloss in most cases. And you as GF with the proper (OP) build with proper (OP) enchants kill those 2 DC's in 5secs both. Just because you're bad at class doesn't mean it's not op.
There is no thinking required if you can kick someone for half HP while he's in like 80 % DR (AS + def + class feature) and that someone is knocked onto floor and needs several seconds to get up(equals never, equals dead).
You are right some GF's are just fine, but it's only because they aren't built the right way for pvp (yet) or are undergeared/new lvl 60s.
Steel and Magic
I would LOVE to see a guide on how a level 60 DC can kill 1v1 a level 60 (insert class here) with equal gear score. I doubt one exists though because the only way it can be done is if the (insert class here) player is completely clueless...
You play Rogue, one of the biggest mistakes I see rogues do in Domination is solo capture. That's not your role, if a GF or GWF comes along they'll just roll you. Reason why tank character are aloud to solo capture is because it takes two people to kill one, two enemy players are getting distracted trying to take the tank down which gives your main party that advantage to push into another point. At high level play it's usually an endless battle against tank vs tank for that solo capture point. The 1v1 fight is never ending until someone in the team has the opportunity to go help.
Instead you should be together with the main party, either pushing into a point with lots of defending opposing players or defending middle point. Middle domination is really important as it's the hardest point to hold, having it is an advantage. So as a rogue, your ultimate role is to kill their cleric, and finish off the rest. Secondary role is to help your cleric survive if struggling with pressure, so go help. If the cleric dies you have no choice but to back away or get in as much damage before you die.
You should be learning about your role in the team, not how to beat 1vs1 encounters.
First of all, it's getting old.... you keep on trolling with posts how you want your DC to be some killing machine. Then when people remind you that you are basically a healer, not a killer, you just spam "but why is there a dps tree for DC?"... rinse and repeat, several posts long.
That's not an argument, that's annoying.
Secondly, any DC has 4 ultimate weapons; 4 TEAM mates. And that's why it just doesn't matter how 'lame' you feel your DC is 1v1, because there is no 1v1.
The OP asked, "Please give these ppl a guide on how to deal with each classes in 1v1. Post your guides on how to deal with each classes in a 1v1." I was responding to him, you are the only one trolling here.
I think PVP should give everyone something to do besides being farmed. Everyone should have an active role other than target dummy. If the classes just can’t be balanced, consider adding usable items. The DC just gets shredded before they can hit a button, let them go get on the mounted trebuchet and fling red ground target template bolts at the opposition and feel useful.
I think PVP should become more dynamic with engagement and keep getting more dynamic until the engagement is resolved. So add ancillary and triggered effects that affect the battlefield and the participants until the engagement is over. Raise the tension and excitement over the course of the whole event. Do enough healing and you could trigger a temporary healing spirit that follows your team around for a while. Do enough DPS in a short enough time and trigger a “blood lust” buff for a time. Respawn enough times and get a chance to trigger a wave of minor mobs from your side that attacks the opposing team.
I think PVP should not make defeat or victory immediately evident. Fill the experience with variables and unknowns such that simply showing up with a certain composition doesn’t equate to defeat before a single button is pushed.
PVP should reward skill and also increased challenge by the same amount. If you manage to get a small aoe power to hit the entire team at once, you can get a bonus. If you kill the same person three times in a row they get a bonus. If you heal someone from under 25% three times in a row you get a bonus. Overhealing gives the opponents a chance for a bonus. Things like that will make the battlefield dynamic and help the balance of power shift. Defeat is not entirely predictable and victory can slip away without skill and focus.
Steel and Magic
TR 1on1 vs ANY class:
stealth->ranged at will
end of stealth->impossible to catch->normal at will
end of impossible to catch->smokebomb->normal at will
end of smokebomb->dazing strike->normal at will
end of dazing strike->stealth->ranged at will
Win!
CW 1on1 vs GF:
Dodging his lunging strike (its pretty easy!) using at will skills.
Keeping him on distance by using repel / entangle
Kill him while he is running after you.
Win
CW vs GWF:
nearly same as GF but just run/dodge away while unstoppable is active. keep him under control all the time.
Win
Well yesterday id reroll as TR for PvP, ill restart using my GF after next balance patch!
And here is the reason:
Next, I have some chance versus CW simply because they are so squishy even my bad damage combined HoF can often get them.
DCvsGF and DCvsDC battles go on a long time, some times to stale-mate.
My DC destroys a bad GWF. They can't hurt me and I can hurt them, so down they go. However decent GWF suddenly become absolutely impossible. They heal through any damage I do in a second--including Hof-- yet they have CC's that hold me long enough to be hurt very badly and I eventually just run out of divine power and hit points.