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skalt112
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I have 4 characters. I leveled all of them up to 60. I don't have 100 character slots farming ad every 2 hours. I have 4 character slots. I just feel I am being punished for what others are doing. (I am assuming they adjusted the ad gain to try and counter alt farming)
Now I was thinking. Wouldn't it be better for all concerned if they kept the ad gain the same, but moved "Protecting Caravan" to a higher skill level like maybe level 15 or so. That way all the farmers would need to take a long time to level their mules to get to the point where they could farm the ad, but legit players would not really feel the pain to much.
This is not game breaking issue for me. I am not crying and demanding a change or I quit. I was just wondering if they could have come up with a better way to combat the ad farming with a smaller impact on the legit community.
So this is my suggestion. Marry crafting level with character level. So that if a task gives AD (without gold outlay) like "protecting Caravan" Then it would take crafting level of 12, and character level of 60 (for instance)
Does anyone feel the same, or is this too small an issue to give thought to?
Thank you for reading and posting if you choose to.
Skalt
Now I was thinking. Wouldn't it be better for all concerned if they kept the ad gain the same, but moved "Protecting Caravan" to a higher skill level like maybe level 15 or so. That way all the farmers would need to take a long time to level their mules to get to the point where they could farm the ad, but legit players would not really feel the pain to much.
This is not game breaking issue for me. I am not crying and demanding a change or I quit. I was just wondering if they could have come up with a better way to combat the ad farming with a smaller impact on the legit community.
So this is my suggestion. Marry crafting level with character level. So that if a task gives AD (without gold outlay) like "protecting Caravan" Then it would take crafting level of 12, and character level of 60 (for instance)
Does anyone feel the same, or is this too small an issue to give thought to?
Thank you for reading and posting if you choose to.
Skalt
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Provided you have nothing to do, or you are willing to take a break from whatever you are doing every two hours consistently you could do this a good six-seven times a day or so? Across a twelve hour period or so, assuming we're not dealing with some kind of botter.
So that makes 21-25k AD that you can make in a day if I'm not mistaken.
In the meanwhile there are players at the max level that can easily earn 50k AD (and I've seen much, much higher numbers than that) from ninja'ing purples from their groupmates and selling them.
It's also incredibly boring and takes much more time than one would think - either logging into game and constantly relogging for a good five minutes or so, or constantly swapping characters on the Gateway and manuevering through all the menus.
I wouldn't mind. I don't think it'll happen though.
Balance wise the protect caravan is the best AD per hour of all the regular missions (that don't require mats) until you hit 20. Something slightly off about the second best mission being so low level. Your idea would fix that.
I have a feeling they are changing it because of bots though. I've got 20 character slots. 18 of them running leadership and two I keep rerolling for the blacklake skirmish. I had switched to the less efficient 6hour/400AD tasks because with the 2 hour one I was spending all my time managing leadership. I was getting burnt out and I wanted to actually play.
Bots don't get burnt out, or distracted. If the level is increased their owners will just have them run another mission until their characters can do the most efficient one again. Your suggested fix won't solve this unfortunately.
That's hardcore. O.O
I did the same thing as you did for a little while, minus the rerolling - and I got incredibly bored with it within days, and that's only with six characters.
I'd be more in favor of them dedicating more resources to their anti-botting software rather than nerfing this mission though, as it won't affect much except the bots moving on to the next best thing until you can flush the entire profession down the toilet if they nerf each and every one of them.
This game seems to have huge problems with bots, and I think the leadership ones are among the lesser evils when compared to the PvP ones that not only exploit the Glory as currency but also actively ruin the player experience of the people unlucky enough to get them on their team.
PWE is nerfing it from what I read.
Yes. According to the preview server patch notes they cut the AD reward in half. This knocked it down from the second most AD per hour efficient* mission to one of the worst.
*Their are more efficient missions, but they require materials obtained from yet more missions.
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I actually didn't think folks would consider leaving over this. Sorry to see you go. I don't think they will roll it back now. It's pretty much a done deal.
If you look at the professions, you see that at every skill level there is a variety of yields and run times. I'm pretty sure that this was tailored to allow players to fit jobs into their play patterns. Farmers will be farmers. Get over it. They actually serve to reduce the cost of many market items in game simply by their volume. I don't think it's a good idea gamewise to disenfranchise legit players to hobble the farmers. Protect caravan is almost perfect for running while you are also adventuring. It also gives a good mixed value of both goods and xp. The game economy includes invocation for freakin sakes. You can pray for money and get it, experience too. I think the devs planned for easy income here, and I kinda like it. BUt... and there is a big BUT here...
Have you noticed the lag in the daily instance que? There is another high yield was to earn AD being cut back. I watch the zen market... you know , where ADs and zen are traded. There has ben BIG inflation. I call it ZENFLATION. back around the first of June when I got my founder's pack I could buy zen for 245-255 ADs. But in less than a month, this has gone up to around 350. Anyone who has just HELD those starter ADs.. and there are some out there who are quite proud of it has lost value . That stash is worth 30 percent LESS now than it was then. So they are cutting the AD supply a bit. What you will find is that eventually PRICES WILL DROP to accommodate this new value. I think this is no more than Inflation fighting. Expect to see more of it until the game economy settles in.
Imo they are the ones creating the "zenflation" as you call it. Instead of cancelling the founder packs at launch they just took the founder title out and continue to sell them. Each adding more AD into the economy than any player can create through normal means in months.
Crafting takes for ****ing ever to level as is, unless you cash shop to make the fast exp crafts.
I have been leveling tailoring since level 11 I am now 60, took about 1 month + just to get tailoring up to level 16. With which I still only can craft crappy **** that is hardly worth my time. It is such a huge time sink.
Lift me up..
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The only one they mentioned in the preview patch notes was Leadership. But its short missions were hit pretty hard time sink wise. Not only was the protect caravan mission changed but they also nerfed the 1 hour XP mission by extending it to 2 hours. Don't see anything that'd affect tailoring though.
Tailoring was mainly an example. Given it's the only one I have highish up. Rest are 13 and below.
Just wish all the crafts didn't take up several hours to craft something useless that you will just npc in the process.
But it seems Cryptic keeps heading in the wrong direction with this game.
Lift me up..
Panda@kristingrave - CW - Dragon
Death@healxyou - DC - Dragon
Considering I only do professions while I wait on them to Change and add a few things it's not really a loss for the community as I have stopped playing for the most part. Once they rework boss fights, fix bugs, add more classes and races I'll be back. The game feels like it was released a year too early to me and now I sit hoping the skeleton of a team left is able to pull off a miracle and turn this game into what it should have been.
I suspect a skirmish event AD nerf will be incoming as well then.
Okay, Panic.
You could have alt accounts. and 20 characters + then as they open up crafting slot and pray etc. eventually you can have 20 toons with say 6 slots to do this quest. that would be 120 caravan quest every 2 hours. hmmm Ill stop with it there.
Clicking a button to wait 2 hours was the only thing that keeps you logging in?
Buddy, you need a better hobby.
(.-.)
I really had high hopes for this game. I've defended and supported it. But, with all the past things and now this, I'm finding it harder and harder to want to log in.
Sad.
You are already limited to doing it 3 at a time so even if you have all your slots open you still can't do more than 600 AD every 2 hours per character yet they still nerfed it.
you could also have NO LIFE
When reworking things, some changes are better some worse... its not a big deal.
So, how does farming it on 6 characters really help? You can't trade AD, you can't mail it, how do you consolidate it under one character for it to be useful?
Someone would either have to be pretty nuts to do nothing but relog from account to account and queue up crafting missions or a botter - which I'm guessing is what's happening now.
Any actual player would pretty much have to give up on actually playing to constantly manage that crafting.
Of course there will always be those people that take things to the extremes, whether it's your example or the people that race to the level cap in 3 days on their diet of energy drinks and no sleep - things shouldn't be balanced to match those extremes as it usually means seriously punishing the normal players.