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bcvapor
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I haven't used my respec token yet because it seems too many feats don't work still so it may be a waste.
As I understand, a chill based CW is now viable since chill can be applied to bosses now (without the CC effects). Does that mean we are back to Thurm mage with the 15% debuff in the top feat? Is Renegade still the best even with nerfs?
Will we see a viable Oppressor build? Personally, I'd love to be very CC based mage, I was always controllers in CoX, in most MMOs.
So a couple general questions along with and advice in the Master Class List which are currently good builds:
1. Do we have a choice now, or is one tree still obviously the best?
2. Should we wait to respec until some feats are fixed?
Thanks.
As I understand, a chill based CW is now viable since chill can be applied to bosses now (without the CC effects). Does that mean we are back to Thurm mage with the 15% debuff in the top feat? Is Renegade still the best even with nerfs?
Will we see a viable Oppressor build? Personally, I'd love to be very CC based mage, I was always controllers in CoX, in most MMOs.
So a couple general questions along with and advice in the Master Class List which are currently good builds:
1. Do we have a choice now, or is one tree still obviously the best?
2. Should we wait to respec until some feats are fixed?
Thanks.
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my advice: play your CW how u like it, dont be afraid to use your own build, its all about what fits your playstyle, not what other people like.
Check out my CW Oppressor Tank Guide Here
Check out my CW Oppressor Tank Guide Here
I would be interested in seeing it. Currently, people are too concerned with damage and not concerned enough with the support side of CW.
I built oppressor up to level 60, but after seeing t2 content I just don't see how you would stay oppressor for pve. Dungeons are more or less all like 3 billion mobs who need to be grouped and punted/killed, and oppressor doesn't have much for that. Most talents are great for pvp, but actually the entire paragon budget wil give you 5% damage, 5% damage debuff and 10% at will damage, which is abysmall compared to feats like combat advantage for the whole group (and to enemies now:)), crit severity, additional mitigation debuffs and so on.
I see the oppressor more of a solo/pvp build, not even that tanky (which is more a matter of gear choices), focusing on at wills and single target lockout. I don't see it very proficient in current pve, other paths can do better control and better damage with not much less survivability.
I am renegade and not going to respec until I work out the proper math, but thaum seems to be a very good choice for pve content. Renegade utility is nice, but in therms of raw damage (of your team, not just personal) a bit behind, and the introduction of 20 people content will surely bring some balances: if thaum's debuffs stacks then you just get as many of them and melt down anything doing 500% damage, which prolly will be nerfed or single you into only 1 spec. We also don't have any other paragon path now and don't know what other trees are going to do, but I doubt they would want to give a single cookie-cutter spec by large margin.
5-men content is different, you can get by with all specs cause you can't abuse the stacking options.
TLDR: Oppressor for small skirmishes (solo/pvp), thaum for raids, thaum or rene for 5men.
This. Regardless of builds skills are the same, feats and stats determine only which skills are a bit more powerful. It is your reflexes and efficiency of gaining AP for daily that determine your worth.
If you want to feel comfortable as an only CW in a team, being able to bear the responsibility, Int&Wisdom, high recovery Thaumaturgist build is very nice. Very high AP gain and lots of debuffs. For PvP full of 1vs1, 2vs1 scenarios Renegade seems a bit more efficient, but difference is never huge.
I like the idea of high defence tanky CW. Gotta try it out someday.
I'd love to see it, sure. I'm Renegade, imvio's build right now.
It seems Renegade is still the way to go overall then. I suppose I'll wait to use my token until I hear there is a reason (plus fixed feats).
Thanks. I'd love to see a tanky-mage build if you have a viable one, that'd be interesting.
Honestly though I don't think there's that much difference these days for most play.
Awesome for pvp. lots of control, good burst damage, I can see it being nerfed in the future if people start playing oppressor more often and learn how to play it well.
For pve, your usually just punting monsters off ledges anyways, so your build doesn't realy matter as long as you have 3 points in repel/shield/entangling/singularity. It still does good enough damage imo, therse' no enrage timers in the game.