slayorianMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
I just hope there aren't drow running around everywhere. That will kill immersion pretty quick. I'm pretty glad there are only a few around as it is. However, I do wish I could kill them for being evil slavers. Oh, but wait, every drow and their mom will suddenly have a change of heart and be one of the good guys... right.
Anyway, there's no need to hold off on playing/making characters. You can always unlock more slots. I already unlocked a couple by just trading some AD for zen and spending it on that.
First they worded it 60 days after open beta launch to give Founders exclusive play with Drow (Renegades) but then they changed it to 60 days after june 20th.
Aha! That clears it up - and gives me a proper ETA.
Thank you kindly for the information; I guess it's back to STO and MWO for now, but I shall return.
I used to play Neverwinter Nights (didn't play DDO though), and I have to say... I spent more time figuring out builds and stats than actually playing the game. I love that with Neverwinter anyone can just jump in and play.
Mwah. I'm sure it just comes down to a matter of preferences, but if simplicity ends up sabotaging creativity and uniqueness, I would consider it a negative feature.
Just in theory, they could have offered "archetypes" like in CO, yet still allow people to go all the way and customize their character to better make it fit whatever concept they have in their head, at the risk of gimping themselves (and the additional fun of experimenting with what works, and what doesn't).
I know my shortsword-crossbow-rogue wasn't too efficient, but at least that character was fun to play. :P
However, I do wish I could kill them for being evil slavers. Oh, but wait, every drow and their mom will suddenly have a change of heart and be one of the good guys... right.
Don't worry. Part of the reason for why I'm waiting for this sort of Drow is because I do not intend to play a good-hearted one.
I wonder how much the quests will force me into that direction, but I'm hoping I can rationalise things with her mercenary attitude, thus pretty much playing the character as an anti-hero. "I'm just here for the coins."
If the game allows me to pull off this balancing act, it should end up an interesting character. Or at least somewhat more in line with traditional drow culture, and possibly somewhat more unique (ironically) than the "converted" ones you are referring to.
Anyway, there's no need to hold off on playing/making characters. You can always unlock more slots. I already unlocked a couple by just trading some AD for zen and spending it on that.
In my case it's not a question of slots .. but as a roleplayer I need to have interest in whatever concept I play, and so far there just aren't too many appealing options to me due to the aforementioned limitations.
"Drow Guardian Fighter" is only my 2nd choice, but it is one I can at least build in the game.
Drow was listed (and still is) as a playable race months before the first Open Beta Weekend. Then they offer a 'Menzoberranzan Renegade' for $200, and announce that it'll be 60 days til we who could barely afford to pay $60 for the *lesser* founder pack can make a drow - now 50 days later, it's 60 more days?
It has been a playable race since the start of open beta. You just had to pony up the $200.
I've never bashed this game before, in fact, I have been a staunch supporter of it. This, however, may be the end for me. I thought I had 10 days left, and now I'm reset back to 60 more days waiting while everyone gets all these great perks (respec tokens, etc) and exclusive items during cool events. I am thoroughly disappointed if this is the case....
Well, that was the deal. Pay $200 to play it early, or wait until it is released to the general player base.
If a misinterpretation is enough to drive you from the game, well, I hope you enjoy where you end up.
As I told you in that thread they never changed the wording. Players simply have conflicting interpretations of what launch is and the developers have not officially stated which one is the correct measuring point for the drow release schedule.
Vanillia drow has always been stated, since the initial change to be temporarily exclusive, to be unavailable until at least 60 after launch. They have changed nothing in the claim.
The question becomes is it 60 days after the "soft launch" or the "official launch." I haven't been informed either way but there is absolutely no sneakiness or changing of wording if drow aren't available for at least another 60 days from today.
Today is the launch. Not April 30. Today.
Firstly, you sir are a mod and thus have no business chiming in on this subject period. A mod stays neutral in all things unless rules are broken. Second, cryptic devs are quoted as saying HOTN purchasers have drow exclusively for 60 days and that drow would be available for the general public 60 days after launch leading most people to believe they would be available around July 1st or so. If drow are not in fact available until aug 30th-sept1st then they did a classic bait and switch using ambiguous wording and it simply screams of trying to milk more money out of selling HOTN packs.
Firstly, you sir are a mod and thus have no business chiming in on this subject period. A mod stays neutral in all things unless rules are broken. Second, cryptic devs are quoted as saying HOTN purchasers have drow exclusively for 60 days and that drow would be available for the general public 60 days after launch leading most people to believe they would be available around July 1st or so. If drow are not in fact available until aug 30th-sept1st then they did a classic bait and switch using ambiguous wording and it simply screams of trying to milk more money out of selling HOTN packs.
This really makes no sense. I think most didn't assume anything. Because lots of people asked the question and no one official ever answered. Despite all the tongue twister wording arguments. Up until today they never confirmed if it was from open beta launch or live launch. Even before open beta the HOTN drow thing was a confusing subject.
I don't see how you can call it a bait and switch though. Maybe if you reversed it. And they had told everyone we wouldn't get drow until at least August 20th. Then turned around and gave it out free for everyone earlier after many bought the packs. Again, people assuming we were getting drow earlier would have caused less people to buy the packs, not more. While not answering questions like that may have been dumb on their part, it certainly wasn't a bait and switch.
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Firstly, you sir are a mod and thus have no business chiming in on this subject period. A mod stays neutral in all things unless rules are broken. Second, cryptic devs are quoted as saying HOTN purchasers have drow exclusively for 60 days and that drow would be available for the general public 60 days after launch leading most people to believe they would be available around July 1st or so. If drow are not in fact available until aug 30th-sept1st then they did a classic bait and switch using ambiguous wording and it simply screams of trying to milk more money out of selling HOTN packs.
First, I am a player and have absolutely no censorship placed on me by Cryptic other than to be respectful. Which I have been. Firm but respectful.
I am telling you, as a moderator who has followed the topic and been involved inside and out since the first day drow were made exclsusive, that drow have always been stated to be "unavailable until at least sixty days after launch." No wording was changed and any person who claims otherwise is mistaken. Find me a single post myself or any staff member made which says otherwise and my hat will go off to you.
They may never have confirmed whether they would start counting from April 30 or from Today but the term launch has never been used to describe April 30. If you can find an instance it has been referred to as launch by all means call myself and Cryptic out.
Today is the Official Live Launch. I'm sorry if you feel misdirected but the evidence, even before today's confirmation, pointed at today being the start of the clock.
Whether you, I or anybody else likes that the Drow will remain unavailable they did nothing wrong.
I would say that I'm speechless, but here I am opening my mouth one more time. I've written and then re-written a post to reply here so many times today, my keyboard is worn out. The English language just doesn't have a sufficient combination of words to express my disappointment, and I have tried - believe me...
A decade ago, I built an online community with the help of the best group of roleplayers you would ever hope to meet, based on the greatest online video roleplaying game of all times: Neverwinter Nights. Over time the community drifted apart, but then a new game was announced bearing the namesake of that great game, and my hopes were very high. I had never played a Cryptic game before, but I put my faith in them - that they would live up to my expectations, and turn the MMORPG genre around. I rebuilt a newer, better website than the one we had before, and drew many of those same people back with the promise of this great new roleplaying MMO with this awesome new tool for crafting online adventures for the world to play. We were one of the first guilds started on the Mindflayer shard, and we immediately began plotting our grand Foundry storyline. The last several months have had reunion after reunion, with people I had not spoken to in years posting in our forums, and for that I will be forever grateful. We have also had an influx of new members, who came to find us directly through this game, and it has truly been a pleasure and quite beyond my expectations.
Now I feel I put far too much faith in this company who somehow managed to get their hands on the license to make a game that they have the audacity to call Neverwinter. Perhaps I set the bar too high, expecting this to be even better than the two games that came before it. Maybe that was my fault. Now it seems the truth of the matter is revealed, and this is in fact just another MMO - based entirely on market research of investors, holding content hostage that they think they can profit from the most. I understand the nature of business enough to know that companies make games to make money, but this particular brand of 'free to play' MMO has left me with a horrible taste. And this most recent revelation about the drow is just one of many disappointments, but it is surely the most sore.
All this being said, I will continue to support my guild and its players in any way that I can, but until Cryptic starts listening to the demands of their players, and stop this attitude of 'Just build it, they will pay', I will go back to playing Dungeons & Dragons while they try to salvage whatever it is you call this mess they have made.
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Anyway, there's no need to hold off on playing/making characters. You can always unlock more slots. I already unlocked a couple by just trading some AD for zen and spending it on that.
Thank you kindly for the information; I guess it's back to STO and MWO for now, but I shall return.
Mwah. I'm sure it just comes down to a matter of preferences, but if simplicity ends up sabotaging creativity and uniqueness, I would consider it a negative feature.
Just in theory, they could have offered "archetypes" like in CO, yet still allow people to go all the way and customize their character to better make it fit whatever concept they have in their head, at the risk of gimping themselves (and the additional fun of experimenting with what works, and what doesn't).
I know my shortsword-crossbow-rogue wasn't too efficient, but at least that character was fun to play. :P
Don't worry. Part of the reason for why I'm waiting for this sort of Drow is because I do not intend to play a good-hearted one.
I wonder how much the quests will force me into that direction, but I'm hoping I can rationalise things with her mercenary attitude, thus pretty much playing the character as an anti-hero. "I'm just here for the coins."
If the game allows me to pull off this balancing act, it should end up an interesting character. Or at least somewhat more in line with traditional drow culture, and possibly somewhat more unique (ironically) than the "converted" ones you are referring to.
In my case it's not a question of slots .. but as a roleplayer I need to have interest in whatever concept I play, and so far there just aren't too many appealing options to me due to the aforementioned limitations.
"Drow Guardian Fighter" is only my 2nd choice, but it is one I can at least build in the game.
Well, that was the deal. Pay $200 to play it early, or wait until it is released to the general player base.
If a misinterpretation is enough to drive you from the game, well, I hope you enjoy where you end up.
Firstly, you sir are a mod and thus have no business chiming in on this subject period. A mod stays neutral in all things unless rules are broken. Second, cryptic devs are quoted as saying HOTN purchasers have drow exclusively for 60 days and that drow would be available for the general public 60 days after launch leading most people to believe they would be available around July 1st or so. If drow are not in fact available until aug 30th-sept1st then they did a classic bait and switch using ambiguous wording and it simply screams of trying to milk more money out of selling HOTN packs.
This really makes no sense. I think most didn't assume anything. Because lots of people asked the question and no one official ever answered. Despite all the tongue twister wording arguments. Up until today they never confirmed if it was from open beta launch or live launch. Even before open beta the HOTN drow thing was a confusing subject.
I don't see how you can call it a bait and switch though. Maybe if you reversed it. And they had told everyone we wouldn't get drow until at least August 20th. Then turned around and gave it out free for everyone earlier after many bought the packs. Again, people assuming we were getting drow earlier would have caused less people to buy the packs, not more. While not answering questions like that may have been dumb on their part, it certainly wasn't a bait and switch.
First, I am a player and have absolutely no censorship placed on me by Cryptic other than to be respectful. Which I have been. Firm but respectful.
I am telling you, as a moderator who has followed the topic and been involved inside and out since the first day drow were made exclsusive, that drow have always been stated to be "unavailable until at least sixty days after launch." No wording was changed and any person who claims otherwise is mistaken. Find me a single post myself or any staff member made which says otherwise and my hat will go off to you.
They may never have confirmed whether they would start counting from April 30 or from Today but the term launch has never been used to describe April 30. If you can find an instance it has been referred to as launch by all means call myself and Cryptic out.
Today is the Official Live Launch. I'm sorry if you feel misdirected but the evidence, even before today's confirmation, pointed at today being the start of the clock.
Whether you, I or anybody else likes that the Drow will remain unavailable they did nothing wrong.
A decade ago, I built an online community with the help of the best group of roleplayers you would ever hope to meet, based on the greatest online video roleplaying game of all times: Neverwinter Nights. Over time the community drifted apart, but then a new game was announced bearing the namesake of that great game, and my hopes were very high. I had never played a Cryptic game before, but I put my faith in them - that they would live up to my expectations, and turn the MMORPG genre around. I rebuilt a newer, better website than the one we had before, and drew many of those same people back with the promise of this great new roleplaying MMO with this awesome new tool for crafting online adventures for the world to play. We were one of the first guilds started on the Mindflayer shard, and we immediately began plotting our grand Foundry storyline. The last several months have had reunion after reunion, with people I had not spoken to in years posting in our forums, and for that I will be forever grateful. We have also had an influx of new members, who came to find us directly through this game, and it has truly been a pleasure and quite beyond my expectations.
Now I feel I put far too much faith in this company who somehow managed to get their hands on the license to make a game that they have the audacity to call Neverwinter. Perhaps I set the bar too high, expecting this to be even better than the two games that came before it. Maybe that was my fault. Now it seems the truth of the matter is revealed, and this is in fact just another MMO - based entirely on market research of investors, holding content hostage that they think they can profit from the most. I understand the nature of business enough to know that companies make games to make money, but this particular brand of 'free to play' MMO has left me with a horrible taste. And this most recent revelation about the drow is just one of many disappointments, but it is surely the most sore.
All this being said, I will continue to support my guild and its players in any way that I can, but until Cryptic starts listening to the demands of their players, and stop this attitude of 'Just build it, they will pay', I will go back to playing Dungeons & Dragons while they try to salvage whatever it is you call this mess they have made.
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So any word on whether the "Vanilla" Drow will be released to the public.
Far too many Drizzt fans clamouring for something that is neither special or unique any longer..
At least 60 days post launch. Which would mean Vanilla Drow will be available August 20 at the earliest.
Drow are a part of the 4th Edition Forgotten Realms cosmos and are no longer the rare individual that you will see on the surface.