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Eye Of The Storm. Bugged? or the Worst Class Feature?
copticone
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Hi all,
Are some of you still using Eye Of The Storm? I mean outside of PvP it's got to be the worst Class Feature for a CW.
I am not sure if it is Bugged, or intended to work as it is now. I have been looking at imported Logs into Act, and can't believe how bad this Feature is. I have since been slotting Evocation, since my build is focused on AoE dps.
I have been slotting EoS since the moment I got it, but once I started looking at logs, I ran straight to the dummies and now the numbers make sense. The first log I noticed this showed that out of almost 64,000 hits/swings, EoS only got triggered 171. I am assuming that's 171 times 4seconds, yielding 684seconds of EoS (11min) during a 2hour run, which is roughly 5% of the time. In a way the tooltip says this, but in a misleading way, like most tooltips.
The worst part is actually how it is procced in practice. It looks like EoS has a freaky (or bugged) 30second ICD. If you are starting your first combat encounter, then you have the chance to trigger EoS, and the buff is clearly shown under your portrait. But you will notice that it doesn't disappear as long as you are continuously fighting. That doesn't mean you are constantly critting, all it means is that while the EoS buff is shown, EoS is working and you have a chance to proc it for the 4sec 100% crit.
Now stop attack for just 4seconds, until you see the buff icon disappear, then immediately start attacking again. You will not see that EoS buff icon again even if you've been continuously spamming your Powers for 10 hours!
Now stop EVERYTHING and wait for 30 seconds. Now start attacking again, and within 2-5second you will see the EoS buff again.
This is a HORRIBLE mechanic that doesn't help while clearing trash in a dungeon, unless you take a 30second break after every fight. Nor does it help on long boss fights, where there is a good chance that you would be forced to stop your rotation for 4seconds, like when you are reviving a fallen player, and so you will loose the benefit of EoS for the remainder of the fight, unless you want to just run around for 30seconds kiting.
I dont know if many of you already knew this or not, but it seems like it is a staple of every spec I have seen on this forum. Storm Spell is 10000% better. In fact, I wouldnt be surprised if Storm Spell got a HUGE nerf in the future. With DoTs from enchants/Feats/Powers, Storm Spell can easily contribute to 10-12% of your entire damage output. Out of 30mil damage on my last CN run, 4mil were from Storm Spell + Storm Spell (flank).
Are some of you still using Eye Of The Storm? I mean outside of PvP it's got to be the worst Class Feature for a CW.
I am not sure if it is Bugged, or intended to work as it is now. I have been looking at imported Logs into Act, and can't believe how bad this Feature is. I have since been slotting Evocation, since my build is focused on AoE dps.
I have been slotting EoS since the moment I got it, but once I started looking at logs, I ran straight to the dummies and now the numbers make sense. The first log I noticed this showed that out of almost 64,000 hits/swings, EoS only got triggered 171. I am assuming that's 171 times 4seconds, yielding 684seconds of EoS (11min) during a 2hour run, which is roughly 5% of the time. In a way the tooltip says this, but in a misleading way, like most tooltips.
The worst part is actually how it is procced in practice. It looks like EoS has a freaky (or bugged) 30second ICD. If you are starting your first combat encounter, then you have the chance to trigger EoS, and the buff is clearly shown under your portrait. But you will notice that it doesn't disappear as long as you are continuously fighting. That doesn't mean you are constantly critting, all it means is that while the EoS buff is shown, EoS is working and you have a chance to proc it for the 4sec 100% crit.
Now stop attack for just 4seconds, until you see the buff icon disappear, then immediately start attacking again. You will not see that EoS buff icon again even if you've been continuously spamming your Powers for 10 hours!
Now stop EVERYTHING and wait for 30 seconds. Now start attacking again, and within 2-5second you will see the EoS buff again.
This is a HORRIBLE mechanic that doesn't help while clearing trash in a dungeon, unless you take a 30second break after every fight. Nor does it help on long boss fights, where there is a good chance that you would be forced to stop your rotation for 4seconds, like when you are reviving a fallen player, and so you will loose the benefit of EoS for the remainder of the fight, unless you want to just run around for 30seconds kiting.
I dont know if many of you already knew this or not, but it seems like it is a staple of every spec I have seen on this forum. Storm Spell is 10000% better. In fact, I wouldnt be surprised if Storm Spell got a HUGE nerf in the future. With DoTs from enchants/Feats/Powers, Storm Spell can easily contribute to 10-12% of your entire damage output. Out of 30mil damage on my last CN run, 4mil were from Storm Spell + Storm Spell (flank).
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Furthermore, Cryptic seems to be very understaffed and tied together with shoestrings with the result is that they are always in crisis mananagement mode and never get around for a very long time to fix small math bugs. (What does it tell you that they only have 5 classes in a D&D game and don't even have the more popular classes like ranger, paladin, or fireball wizard? Then add the absolutely crappy amount of details on how the game works, since they really don't seem to have tech writers or real editors on staff so that the tool tips and other game documentation is well written and understood. There is some irony in the company name of "Cryptic". To say this game is a " a significant work in progress" is like stating "water is wet". I orginally thought this game was pretty polished, and after playing now for a couple of weeks, I see it is very flawed. Flawed enough that it could compromise its viability as a MMO.
The number of exploits that people have been able to use to turn into real cash money and substantialy hurt the casual gamer is the pink elephant in the room.
Thanks for testing out the ability, I would have never guessed that the feat is so poorly implemented and would have taken the tool tip as gospel....(yea i know.. i know)
The problem isn't how rubbish it is - the problem is that there isn't actually anything better most of the time. What are the real alternatives?
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
With my build Evocation gives me very good returns. I stopped using EoS some time ago.
Everything I mentioned in the OP was done with 3 points in EoS. It is still completely worthless in Dungeons. In PvP or Solo play where you can sometimes go for 30seconds without doing any attacks, I guess it is decent.
Good catch. Still the way it is triggered is horrible. You can go for 10+ fights where the tank rushes from one group to the next and never get a chance to reset the ICD of EoS so it gets triggered again. So pretty much the only times you get to reset it is when someone goes AFK, or you're looting a Chest, and even then you're cutting close to being short of the 30seconds before you start combat again.
Again, on a boss fight, you stop using powers for 4seconds, you just lost EoS for the rest of the fight.
Also you are assuming every second of EoS was taken advantage of with a crit, which is not the case. At-Wills would probably make the most use of it, but encounters with their long animations wont. Or the most obvious scenario, EoS being procced just as you use your last power and finish combat.
Anyway just tested everything the OP said on my renegade. Eye of the Storm was proccing just fine. Tried waiting 4 seconds, 5 seconds, 6 seconds, 7 seconds... 10 seconds just to be sure. EotS was proccing normally after I resumed attacking. It seems to take longer for the at-wills to proc EotS though (not sure if they can even proc it at all) but the encounter powers sure can.
My EotS buff disappears after uptime (8 sec). I waited 10 seconds without casting, then resumed fight. EotS proced roughly 20 seconds later.
edit : ha I'm too late ^^ it seems that at-wills are made of 3 shots, each shot having 1/3 of the chances to proc anything.
I don't understand the need to be condescending for some people. Eh whatever. Also the word veracity, has a denotation that I am intentionally making inaccurate statements or that I am just flat out just throwing random facts around. I am "reporting" exactly what I am seeing. If for some freaky reason you do not replicate the same results, doesn't mean my statements weren't accurate.
In any case, before I report a BUG that is >>ONLY<< affecting my character it seems based on the previous post. I would kindly ask others to test it.
I just went back again to the dummies, procced EoS, waited a few seconds, until the buff fell off, then continued throwing attacks for exactly 2:00 minutes. I used At-Wills (which to the fan of veracity, they do proc EoS), I used Encounters, I used Single Target and AoE powers, I used Dailies, I used Cold attacks and Arcane attacks, and throughout the ENTIRE 2:00 minutes, the EoS Icon Buff NEVER showed up.
I am not sure what the previous poster did differently, or if he is actually looking at the buff icon, or just assuming it is being procced by looking at crits? OR are you just looking at the LOG and watching for the EoS message? Thanks
Just one question to the previous poster. What is teh 30second cooldown that appears on the Buff when EoS procs? Kindly explain to us what your thoughts are on that Cooldown or what is it a cooldown for? Thank you very much.
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I will be more precise :
I attacked and finally during a Steal Time, Eye of the Storm dealt 1 critical damage to me. Cooldown on tooltip is indeed 30 sec. I threw critical magic missiles during 8 seconds, then buff disappeared and I stopped to autocrit. Then I waited 10 seconds. Then I threw all I had for 20 seconds and finally procced EotS again.
I am not saying you are lying, I am just reporting what I am seeing.
PS to previous poster : I tried to slot it and cast Steal Time, it procs even during the cooldown shown on the feature... otherwise it worked fine for me though
I am sorry to report that this didn't help. I slotted EoS, waited 10 minutes not doing anything. Then started to attack, and it procced. I waited until the buff disappeared, then started attacking again for 2:00min. Again, for the entire 2minutes, it didn't proc at all.
I just want to confirm something. All of you who testing it. Are you seeing the 30second cooldown on the EoS Icon?! Am I the only one who has that 30second Counter right on the Buff?
There is DEFINITELY a bug of some sort, or like I said some ICD. There is no way that it is a flat 5% chance to proc.
After doing more testing. I noticed something between Chilling Cloud or Elemental Empowerment. Either way here's what I do. I enter dummy area with it slotted, manually drag it off, then reslot it again, wait for CD to countdown and then attack the dummies with Chilling Cloud and encounters. Once it procs as long as I don't stop attacking with Chilling Cloud, then the buff don't drop and everything crits that can crit til I stop.
I was just able to proc EoS and kept the the Buff Icon up for 2min of NONSTOP CRITs. NON-STOP on all my Main At-Will and Encounters (Chill Strike, CoI, Steel Time) Not ONE failed to crit for 2minutes. The only things that didn't crit were obviously the plague fire dots and my Elemental Empowerment DoTs. I duplicated this twice in a row, with the first attempt being about 1min long.
Here is what I "think" is happening. The way I play is that I am constantly spamming my main At-Wills. I never remove my finger off of the left mouse button. Some players actually dont know that you can still fire your encounters while locking your At-wills. And that's what I was doing to duplicate that "BUG".
When I remove my finger from the left hand button, that's when everything changes, the Buff can just drop. A 30sec ICD kicks in, or I can't get EoS to proc again for as long as I am continuously spamming At-Wills.
Thanks dacove. It seems you are closer to what I am experiencing than others.
My Conclusion. It's bugged, no question about it based on my experience. Thanks for everyone's input.
That's interesting to know.
Generally an interesting thread - I wasn't aware that this passive is that bugged. I mean, imagine PvP: Once proc'ed and you have a good position and don't get interrupted -> 2 minutes of non-stop crits...
yup, you can have the At-Wills mouse button held down the entire time and still use your other powers, and I think that's what's triggering this bug
I also always lock my at-wills (never de-press the left mouse button), so this is not having any negative effect for me.
But if I let Eye of the storm go away it never comes back until I wait 30 seconds without doing damage.
That also could be true, as most of my tests were with Chilling Cloud as the main At-Will.
The post was meant to be condescending to some of the people who replied to your post. The word veracity was used in that context. Why do you seem surprised that I do not trust your first post? I don't know you personally. Notice I didn't go out of my way to bash or flame you either. I'm just not sure why your EotS is acting that way, which was why I then skipped to my own findings.
Why wouldn't you trust something I am reporting directly from testing over and over? It is not like I said that "I get the feeling EoS is not working properly. I just dont feel like I am critting that much when I have it slotted".
No, I specifically reported exactly what I was testing, and how I was testing it.
Had I created a video showing how I can go on for 2min+ with the EoS buff always on, and 2min+ of EoS not proccing ONCE, it might have saved us any condescending replies, but I didn't feel it was crucial in terms of people taking me seriously.
But as you can see, someone else replicated my findings, and while it may never reach the to-do bug list of the devs, at least it's out there, or until enough people exploit it, and run around with 100% crit uptime.
It seems Chilling Cloud IS the cause. Although somewhat buggy still, using Magic Missile doesn't replicate it as in the OP.
Ah, in that case, perhaps you could try it out on the preview server as well. They did some changes to chilling cloud to reapply chill stacks, but that might have been an overall mechanic fix.
If you are referring to how you can keep it up semi-permanently by weaving MM + Chill Strike + Repel, this is old news. That's how EotS has worked since the game was in closed beta. This is also why Renegades use it, and the other two Paragon trees do not, since they benefit from it more to begin with.
Then again, now that all AoE feats and whatnot are totally useless, due to them changing it so the only AoE abilities that use them are now Chill Strike and Steal Time, well....have to slot something in there I guess.
I am not sure what you are referring to as old news, but I said indefinitely which is a lot longer than "semi-permanent", and it no Chilling Cloud that's causing it. It is a combination of a feat+Chilling cloud.