How can I beat CW as a TR? when SE is nerf by 60%

furion192

As a lvl60 pvp can someone give me tip on how can I touch a wizard without letting it away from my melee range. CW can teleport every sec and almost instantly by 3 or 4 consecutive teleport. that's too hard to get close to them also because of their debuffs skills or stun skills. I know Shocking execution's damage is too much but decreasing its base damage by 60% is also way too much the only way I kill a CW is SE then lashing blade because if i fail to 1 or 2 shots them....no more chance to get close to them. Any tips on how to beat a CW as a rogue?

fakatik

Maybe
LA then Clouds of Steel in stealth mode.
Though haven't tried it yet.

sinbius

Having to rely on a daily to kill someone it's not efficient at all...

pinkfont

Lurker's Assault. If I don't have it active, then I don't fight Control Wizards.

I mean, theoretically you could use Deft Strike to close the distance, but in my experience, I just teleport to my death.

sinbius

You can just use a range rogue with impact, path of blades and ITC...with this build every CW it's a free kill...the only problem is that it's boring...(I have this build too and I spoke for experience)

agbadehan

If you must use a daily then just use Lurker's assault, Stealth, walk up to him and Lashing Strike. There, dead CW. Another option is to sit in stealth and then spam kill him with clouds of steel & impact shot OR Spam Clouds of steel during your approach and then hit him with a Lashing Strike and if he isn't dead activate impossible to catch as soon as he hits you with a CC and run his *** down with more Clouds of Steel.

You know Lashing Strike crits out of stealth, right?

But seriously. Stealth. Cloud of Steel. Lashing Strike. If he's still alive and tries to fight back then just hit impossible to catch and run his *** down/enjoy the point you just captured as he runs away/run away until stealth is back & repeat. We can play this game hit & run. We don't always have to go into a straight brawl.

sinbius

Pls don't post using a daily as a viable strategy/build in pvp...it's not..,

thedeadstar

Good CWs dodge lashing..

agbadehan

thedeadstar wrote: »

Good CWs dodge lashing..

But... if you're approaching appropriately from stealth they honestly shouldn't really see it coming. If you walk right up to the CW, stealth and try to do anything the CW probably deserves the dead TR they're gonna have on their hands.

sinbius

Using def strike+stealth+ daz strike (all in one) then lash and cluod of steel work but not as nearly as good a a range style...
There is another option that's a mist of range/meele styles but I have not tested...: stealth + lash + impact shot + ITC (if you can't do lash and stealth it's ending impact shot and then lash+impact again and ITC)...

furion192

Thank you for the tips mybe I'll try to be a range rogue...lets see if it works.

maveras1

SE nerfed by 60%, omg cant 1 shot ppl anymore, game sucks, i quit

laudon1

try SE on the test realm. You won't notice any nerf

agbadehan

We couldn't even one shot with Shocking =|. We could one shot with Lurker's. Also relying on a daily as a rogue is a HAMSTER strategy because our dailies simply aren't up often enough. Have to ween yourself from that ****.

sinbius

furion192 wrote: »

Thank you for the tips mybe I'll try to be a range rogue...lets see if it works.

With that build you will start to laugh as soon as you see a CW I guarantee....you start in stealth and spam COS (sometime I have kille with that alone with the right feats...) than impact shot before stealth end another impact (CWstart to panic..) than ITC other imapct or cod or meele...he can't do nothing at all (if it's aloneand sometime even if if multiple oppenets because you finish the kill in ITC and CC don't touch you)...

furion192

I know its HAMSTER to use a daily on my combo, but the reason I use it is because of the wizards. I have no choice but to kill them as fast as I can before they teleport away then stunlock.

sinbius

...but...it's boring...the build Def Daz lash it's more fun and action packed and you need skill and the jumping techique of Des....but if you are outnumbered or you fail at judging situation or don't use the camera really well or the CW it's good and have same initiative you are death...

thedeadstar

agbadehan wrote: »

But... if you're approaching appropriately from stealth they honestly shouldn't really see it coming. If you walk right up to the CW, stealth and try to do anything the CW probably deserves the dead TR they're gonna have on their hands.

Already had CWs that dodged without having a chance to notice me coming (e.g. jumping down with stealth). Depends a bit on latency as well maybe. Problem is that the animation is rather fast but the dmg comes slightly later, so if they are always ready to dodge on sound/effect AND got a good latency, they are able to dodge it. Ofc most CWs fail at this, its a minority that is able to do so.

furion192

thedeadstar wrote: »

Already had CWs that dodged without having a chance to notice me coming (e.g. jumping down with stealth). Depends a bit on latency as well maybe. Problem is that the animation is rather fast but the dmg comes slightly later, so if they are always ready to dodge on sound/effect AND got a good latency, they are able to dodge it. Ofc most CWs fail at this, its a minority that is able to do so.

I have a CW and what I do is try to rotate the circle thingy, in the center of screen which we use for aiming, around me then once I see a name appears that means the rogue is near you. Am I the only one who do these?

frost168

The best pvp rogues don't even utilize the daily as anything more than a cleric killer.

sorry, but you really do need to learn how to play the rogue. CW's got the nerf bat harder than rogues and clerics got pummeled beyond belief. The poor clerics are going to be virtually unplayable in pvp with no glory rewards due to the changes and being unable to withstand the pounding. Clerics have be relegated to Test Dummy status.

Other classes have had to adjust to playing against rogues and have developed their skills accordingly. Rogues had it easy street. Nothing really has changed. Being able to attack from stealth is far more powerful, than having your once every 2-3 min daily nerfed. Rogues will continue to be the easy street in pvp. They are also actually fun to play. Playing a rogue helps you learn how to better play against them.

And don't say "but we are squishy" Wizards are just as squishy, and with the rogues smoke bomb being the best CC spell in the game, will continue to be the cockroach of pvp.

degraafination

LV 60 PVP is all about teamwork. From my experience trying to "solo" in PVP is almost impossible. It's too much damage too fast, and TR are very squishy. I encourage people to work in teams of 2 or 3. A CW and a TR make a powerful team, as does a Cleric and a GF guarding a point. Use your Voice Chat, find a PVP guild, or just stick by another player.

Good luck!

sinbius

frost168 wrote: »

.... and with the rogues smoke bomb being the best CC spell in the game, will continue to be the cockroach of pvp.

I don't have tested a lot smoke bomb but CW can teleport out of it before it daze him...Can You confirm or deny pls? (I may be wrong but that happened to me several times and I have heard the same story too)

degraafination

sinbius wrote: »

I don't have tested a lot smoke bomb but CW can teleport out of it before it daze him...Can You confirm or deny pls? (I may be wrong but that happened to me several times and I have heard the same story too)

GF can block it, as well.

furion192

sinbius wrote: »

I don't have tested a lot smoke bomb but CW can teleport out of it before it daze him...Can You confirm or deny pls? (I may be wrong but that happened to me several times and I have heard the same story too)

Yes CW can teleport away before it dazes them

yerune

sinbius wrote: »

I don't have tested a lot smoke bomb but CW can teleport out of it before it daze him...Can You confirm or deny pls? (I may be wrong but that happened to me several times and I have heard the same story too)

Lag, it's like a timewarp and a real problem for players with slow ping times to Cryptic servers.

furion192

Smoke bomb doesnt instantly dazes enemy so it gives time for them to dodge.

bastad

frost168 wrote: »

with the rogues smoke bomb being the best CC spell in the game, will continue to be the cockroach of pvp.

It's also the easiest CC to avoid.

dethcord

Smoke bomb is useless.

Slot cloud of steel and spam away from stealth, lashing blade at the end of it. If by some reason CW is alive - he've probably wasted all of his dodges to avoid LB and ranged spam, so you just use ItC and knife him, you can use impacts aswell.

If you have LA ready - use it and spam away your CoS - it will kill the CW from 100 to 0, if not - impacts will finish him, if not (probably being healed, soulforge proc + bottle or whatever) - come close and LB him, and you'll still have your ItC after it.

If you have tenebrous enchants slotted - spam your CoS - it will kill the CW.

No competent rogue will ever lose to the CW 1v1, just like no competent CW will lose to the GWF in an open area.

destinyknight

I refuse to give this original poster an answer if that's thier only resource they could think of to kill a control wizard..

sinbius

destinyknight wrote: »

I refuse to give this original poster an answer if that's thier only resource they could think of to kill a control wizard..

.............. -_-' .........

kidbs

L2play perhaps. It's not like ice knife isn't one of the easiest and most obvious dialies to dodge. Plus ray of enfeeblement got a large nerf. Stop relying on crutches to kill someone.