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Server population %80 Rogue

inexgravinexgrav Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Why..

Best dps in dungeon
Best dps in pvp

more reason ?

TR really terminator with aoe silence

rogue vs cw: No chance
rogue vs dc: No chance
rogue vs etc etc etc No chance
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  • allaerraallaerra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 838 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    CWs often do almost as much damage in dungeons and often top number of kills.

    A correctly played GWF can do close to the same amount in dungeons as well.

    In PVP any class can do well, it has to do with skill.

    Why so many TRs? Because they are freakin' fun to play:D. It is the battle mechanic and skill sets that make the TR so fun. Sure they do a lot of damage, they are a Striker and are supposed to;). The other classes have other functions.
  • nullwolf1nullwolf1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    80% ? Where'd you find that number?
    Sure, I have a rogue... I also have a Guardian Fighter, Great Weapon Fighter, and Devoted Cleric...
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  • kashimaa1kashimaa1 Member Posts: 104
    edited May 2013
    @ OP l2p ****.
  • rapticorrapticor Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,078 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Bot class breakdown in pvp: 100% Rogue
  • tanglethorntanglethorn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I could ave sworn CWs were starting to outnumber everyone. It's all I see in pugs!
  • glanniganglannigan Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 463 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    I suppose so...but now that I am End Game everyone wants me (Cleric) and no one wants Rogue...so I am totally cool with that.

    Seriously I intentionally did not roll a rogue because I knew they were going to be a dime a dozen and there would be zero demand for them. Don't get me wrong, demand is there. You NEED a Rogue it's just too much supply lol.

    We could go even further and instead of Rogue just say DPS. There are always thousands of DPS'ers looking for a Tank/Cleric in every game....never the other way around. Every game has this issue.

    I also think the DPS Classes are by far the easiest to play and attract stupid people and that's why there are so many of them :)
  • zanthe25zanthe25 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 207 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    ok some epic dung with just rogues and see how far you get without the AoE support...

    Your DPS is circumstantial.... TR are the best DPS vs single target, but GWF/CW is much better vs large groups
  • nymesis92nymesis92 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 270 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    You think that just because the majority of people playing a Rogue means they are going to be a good Rogue?

    Hell No

    The amount of horrendously skilled people that play this game mind fck me everyday. Just this morning...was grouped with a Rogue who had under 400k DPS after 4-5 pulls of mobs. He was DEAD LAST in DPS.
  • rapticorrapticor Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,078 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Oops wrong thread.
  • inexgravinexgrav Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    nullwolf1 wrote: »
    80% ? Where'd you find that number?
    Sure, I have a rogue... I also have a Guardian Fighter, Great Weapon Fighter, and Devoted Cleric...

    just press "O" and look class icons. basic, simple way..
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  • xuminaxumina Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 188 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    inexgrav wrote: »
    Why..

    Best dps in dungeon
    Best dps in pvp

    more reason ?

    TR really terminator with aoe silence

    rogue vs cw: No chance
    rogue vs dc: No chance
    rogue vs etc etc etc No chance

    Did I just saw Rogue vs CW: No chance??? seriously??? You are joking right??? Do you know what happens when a TR miss 1 skill on a CW? Yes.. we disable the **** out of the rogue and kill him before the disable is over.
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  • swamprobswamprob Member Posts: 107 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    allaerra wrote: »
    Why so many TRs? Because they are freakin' fun to play:D. It is the battle mechanic and skill sets that make the TR so fun. Sure they do a lot of damage, they are a Striker and are supposed to;). The other classes have other functions.

    This. There's nothing wrong at all with rogues. They need to make the other classes more fun to play.
  • kwequakwequa Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I'm a rogue cause I've never played one. Always a paladin or ranger
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  • azahronazahron Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    nullwolf1 wrote: »
    80% ? Where'd you find that number?
    Sure, I have a rogue... I also have a Guardian Fighter, Great Weapon Fighter, and Devoted Cleric...

    I'm going to guess he based it off the Groupfinder or the PvP queue.
    Yesterday my rogue wound up in a Groupfinder group with three other rogues and a CW - and since it was the Mad Dragon, I chalked the waiting time spent sitting in the queue up as wasted and left, rather than wipe repeatedly on the boss.

    The other day, when I was still playing my Guardian, I got a group with two rogues and two control wizards - it took 10 minutes of the partyleader kicking people until we got a Cleric, we constantly got rogues and wizards - with the rare GWF now and then.
    I definitely wouldn't go with 80% though, if I were to do a breakdown it'd be more like 40% TR, 30% CW, 15% GWF, 10% DC and the remaining 5% GF. :cool:
    Pure guesswork of course, since only the devs know the true percentages.
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  • bracer2bracer2 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 566 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    nymesis92 wrote: »
    You think that just because the majority of people playing a Rogue means they are going to be a good Rogue?

    Hell No

    The amount of horrendously skilled people that play this game mind fck me everyday. Just this morning...was grouped with a Rogue who had under 400k DPS after 4-5 pulls of mobs. He was DEAD LAST in DPS.

    Haven't seen that yet, even sub-par rogues seem to be doing mid to high dmg... rogue dmg like that doesn't even seem possible..
  • mctankypantsmctankypants Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The OP would have had more of an argument had he said "Why no love for GWF's and GF??"
    I say this because most end game groups consist of two CW's a Rogue and two Clerics. PvP with a Rogue isn't as easy as you make it sound. It takes cunning and proper placement to be effective. A CW can sit from a mile away and damage your group. Rogues have to get up close and personal.
  • bracer2bracer2 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 566 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    mctankypants wrote: »
    The OP would have had more of an argument had he said "Why no love for GWF's and GF??"
    I say this because most end game groups consist of two CW's a Rogue and two Clerics. PvP with a Rogue isn't as easy as you make it sound. It takes cunning and proper placement to be effective. A CW can sit from a mile away and damage your group. Rogues have to get up close and personal.

    Thats the single biggest issue going currently by my estimation. Waiting to see if GFs and GWFs are gonna be allowed to consistently access end game content, before either dropping some cash or moving on to something else.
  • nymesis92nymesis92 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 270 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    bracer2 wrote: »
    Haven't seen that yet, even sub-par rogues seem to be doing mid to high dmg... rogue dmg like that doesn't even seem possible..

    Me either..and it was in Temple of Spider so I knew the boss would have never died so I left :-) :-)
  • clannamuirclannamuir Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 217 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    tanglethorn wrote: »
    I could ave sworn CWs were starting to outnumber everyone. It's all I see in pugs!

    The users have probably leveled their TR's to 60 and you are seeing alts.
  • xuminaxumina Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 188 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    mctankypants wrote: »
    The OP would have had more of an argument had he said "Why no love for GWF's and GF??"
    I say this because most end game groups consist of two CW's a Rogue and two Clerics. PvP with a Rogue isn't as easy as you make it sound. It takes cunning and proper placement to be effective. A CW can sit from a mile away and damage your group. Rogues have to get up close and personal.

    That is correct... And if that rogue happened to make a mistake when making things personal... *waves goodbye to the rogue*
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  • walk2kwalk2k Member Posts: 928 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    yea they have to get close, which they can easily do because they can turn INVISIBLE.

    everyone knows they are OP. it's beta..............
  • dartakxdartakx Member Posts: 201 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    allaerra wrote: »
    CWs often do almost as much damage in dungeons and often top number of kills.

    A correctly played GWF can do close to the same amount in dungeons as well.

    In PVP any class can do well, it has to do with skill.

    Why so many TRs? Because they are freakin' fun to play:D. It is the battle mechanic and skill sets that make the TR so fun. Sure they do a lot of damage, they are a Striker and are supposed to;). The other classes have other functions.

    Function like: dying from a TR inside a smoke bomb, handle the adds until the rogue solo the boss alone.

    But i'm joking, it could looks like it, but i don't really feel rogue is OP, current game mechanics makes his gameplay better than it should really be, don't ask yet for class balance, they have a lot more to do, to really test the class and their real worth in the game.
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  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 556 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    in another forum (fighter class, I think) someone did an actual scientific test (/who list of level 60s at random times over many days) and came up with clerics as the most played. However the breakdown was just over 25% for all the non-fighter classes and right at 10% each for the 2 fighter classes. As in, rogues were around 27% IIRC. Could be that there are a billion non-60 rogues out there of course, you could be right, but the 60s were neck & neck for popularity apart from the fighters which lag behind for obvious reasons.

    I trust the work done by the other guy. I do not put much faith in a random, undefended assert that rogues are more than 3 times as popular.
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