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  • destroxoxodestroxoxo Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Although I agree with you that GWF do need a buff in some respects, I am an 11.5k gs (4 set t2) well enchanted GWF and I have no trouble being on par/ 5-10% below the top dps which is usually a Trickster.

    Learn about your class a bit more before branding them useless, you might be quite surprised, especially if you can play them well now and after we do eventually have some buffs come our way you'll be one of the few that chose to stick with them. :)
  • chronomancerchronomancer Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,223
    edited May 2013
    I haven't given up my GWF yet but I'm putting it on hiatus and playing something else or crafting...
  • unimatrixalpha1unimatrixalpha1 Member Posts: 173 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    destroxoxo wrote: »
    Although I agree with you that GWF do need a buff in some respects, I am an 11.5k gs (4 set t2) well enchanted GWF and I have no trouble being on par/ 5-10% below the top dps which is usually a Trickster.

    Learn about your class a bit more before branding them useless, you might be quite surprised, especially if you can play them well now and after we do eventually have some buffs come our way you'll be one of the few that chose to stick with them. :)

    The other issue with GWF is that it takes GWF significant amount of high end gear to come close to other classes that can get away with less gear but still top the GWF. I think the issue here is the utility of GWF. They provide less utility for the group, so they're over looked.
  • thrallgabrielthrallgabriel Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I agree with the op's assessment. These classes need fixed before too many people leave and don't come back.
  • nymesis92nymesis92 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 270 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    All I've been able to translate from this whole entire thread is..

    "I'm trash at this game because I tried to play the GWF, GF class and didn't have the balls enough to stick with the class and figure out how it's suppose to be played"

    Sad, Pathetic, Weak...Yep...that pretty much sums up all you people who think GWF, GF are useless.

    Have a nice life being bad at video games.
  • spacejewspacejew Member Posts: 1,044 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    You don't see the problems as a GF and a GWF because you're never included to see it unless you have a TR/CW/DC alt.

    It's so much easier, and you make so much more money, that I don't see a reason to play my GWF anymore. The effort required to play my GWF at top form is easily twice as hard as it is to play my TR. I can take a nap and get top DPS by a factor of two. I'm literally two GWF in one class. Sure it's single target, but when add's are a pointless distraction in boss fights that's not a downside.

    Besides, why play the GWF through the content when I can get the gear twice as fast as a rogue? I mean, you can literally just go buy it. At the store. Since you run things far faster, and with more success, you have more money and more drops.

    That's just how it is. You can say it's fine as a GWF or GF, but it's probably because you don't have an alt to see how the other half lives. I'm not a terribad GWF either, I understand how the class works and I play it well. It's just harder than holding down Duelist's Fury.
    MoF/Thaum CW SS/Thaum CW IV/Protector GF SW/Combat HR SM/Destroyer GWF WK/Executioner TR DO/Faithful DC
  • edge1986edge1986 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 647 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    nymesis92 wrote: »
    All I've been able to translate from this whole entire thread is..

    "I'm trash at this game because I tried to play the GWF, GF class and didn't have the balls enough to stick with the class and figure out how it's suppose to be played"

    Sad, Pathetic, Weak...Yep...that pretty much sums up all you people who think GWF, GF are useless.

    Have a nice life being bad at video games.

    How come every time a GWF or GF try to join a group for dungeons they are immediately kicked if they are so great then?
  • chronomancerchronomancer Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,223
    edited May 2013
    nymesis92 wrote: »
    All I've been able to translate from this whole entire thread is..

    "I'm trash at this game because I tried to play the GWF, GF class and didn't have the balls enough to stick with the class and figure out how it's suppose to be played"

    Sad, Pathetic, Weak...Yep...that pretty much sums up all you people who think GWF, GF are useless.

    Have a nice life being bad at video games.

    Shoo shoo..go away little troll.
  • nymesis92nymesis92 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 270 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Because the majority of the people that play this game are terrible and run double cleric. So that only leaves space for 3 other spots which will get filled by 2 CWs and a Rogue.

    Prove me wrong. You can't.

    If people were not so garbo at this game they would not run double cleric.
  • nymesis92nymesis92 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 270 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Lack of skill = god mode now????

    Running double cleric hurts the entire group. You could either have more control..or more dps without running double cleric...but I wouldn't imagine any of you bads would ever think of that. This is pathetic.
  • spacejewspacejew Member Posts: 1,044 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    nymesis92 wrote: »
    Lack of skill = god mode now????

    Running double cleric hurts the entire group. You could either have more control..or more dps without running double cleric...but I wouldn't imagine any of you bads would ever think of that. This is pathetic.

    Yes, running double cleric is god mode. It turns literally every person in that circle into a better tank than your GF, while generating more threat than your GF.

    My challenge to you is to prove why running a balanced group is good. A CW does similar damage to a GWF while providing more control, and two clerics provide god-mode/add tanking on their own. If you haven't done it, which I'm guessing you haven't if you're running a GF, you wouldn't know. GF and GWF are utterly unnecessary for end-game content. You slow your entire group down just by being there.

    It isn't lack of skill that makes people do this, it's the fact that you can and it's easier and more effective than doing it the 'right' way. If you're a 'skilled' player it's even more effective, not worse.
    MoF/Thaum CW SS/Thaum CW IV/Protector GF SW/Combat HR SM/Destroyer GWF WK/Executioner TR DO/Faithful DC
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  • koldmiserkoldmiser Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 131
    edited May 2013
    One question have always haunt me .... where is the dragon hiding all his 50 kobold reinforcements ? :D

    You don't want to know...
  • leshil40leshil40 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 157 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    I am calling it quits today. I love the potential of the game and the combat is fun. However, there is just too much wrong with this game right now. I'll check back in a few weeks and see where it stands then. For now, enjoy the Bots in pvp.
  • nymesis92nymesis92 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 270 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    I'm going to guess, with a high probability of success, that you are a Rogue. LOL, easy mode dps class!

    I play a Cleric. Single cleric, not this double cleric baddie <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> all you guys are into.
  • krogothiczkrogothicz Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Maybe they can balance it some
  • belladanbelladan Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 146 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    One of the larger issues with GWF is that you need synergy between your stat allocations whereas your feat tree insists that your stat allocations must be streamlined. As such; actually going into a tree so that you can use their 21pt. system that lets them be viable ends up costing you a hell of a lot of your balance; thus self-nerfing the GWF ability sets. Building a 2-tree hybrid has a difficult synergy; whereas a 3-tree talent means that your build can't provide sufficient boost from your dailies.

    Even building a defensive hybrid, you require the third tree to begin to start making use of your 20% defense to power gain. 21 point would add an additional 20% conversion right from the top; but that costs you available 15pt. gains from other trees that in some cases provide a better base damage modifier then other systems. Building said defensive build then requires the non-human traits which nullify your crit bonus gains from your tree (crit modifier from 70% to 90%, plus 1% less in crit.); which then further reduces your damage output over the 30 second range for fights.

    'nuff said. And egads... I'd have to use cresendo.... =/
  • spacejewspacejew Member Posts: 1,044 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Regardless, it seems that there will be class balance coming soon. I can only imagine GWF and GF will get some love, even if it's just in the form of nerfing TR and healing threat generation. Either that or some adjustments to Arcane Singularity being chainable. Somethings gotta give, even if it's just a fixed queue system so that it gives you a balanced group instead of four TR and a CW. (This doesn't always happen, but it happens often enough.)
    MoF/Thaum CW SS/Thaum CW IV/Protector GF SW/Combat HR SM/Destroyer GWF WK/Executioner TR DO/Faithful DC
  • wolfheartazwolfheartaz Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    edge1986 wrote: »
    That's funny because a developer corrected someone who called it NWO and said it was NW. Better put in a ticket and correct the developer.

    Dont mean to derail the topic..

    but WHO cares what a dev calls it as an abbreviation?

    the community can call it what it wants..

    The reason we called it NWO (Never Winter ONline) is because the norm is a 3 character abbreviation..sheesh..that hard to get that?

    A dev called it NW so we must all do it...LOL..good grief
  • mythxandermythxander Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Didnt you leave like two pages back?
    nymesis92 wrote: »
    I'm obviously speaking directly to the people who were saying double Cleric is the way to go you jack@$$
  • s3z3s3z3 Member Posts: 216 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    nymesis92 wrote: »
    I'm obviously speaking directly to the people who were saying double Cleric is the way to go you jack@$$

    double cler+double cw+1 tr, running 2 CN per evening 3-4 nights a week. Easy as duck. Why waste time bringing garbage like gf\gwf into it. I stack that ***** for 25-30k bleeds and mages have fun in god mode under double astral. Double astral is the way to go cause u rly don't need 2 tr's on boss since most dps comes from bleed and it's broken as of now for double tr. BTW 16 minutes for the dragon himself. And yea if ur not running double Cler ur a try hard... and that **** is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> brah.
    Carnage TR Dragon shard - retired? hell yea it's retired along with Nevewinter

    Seze - Rogue - Necropolis - <3 RIFT
  • pednickpednick Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    swingbrn wrote: »
    If you are any of the two classes please consider yourselves useless and re-roll as a Divine Cleric or Control Wizard.


    Guardian Fighter - useless

    Some moron just made a thread that us GF's can one shot, how? I have no idea, another pvp whiner that isn't skilled enough to play.
    Be a Leet D00D, can't think of something smart? Always blame the economy.
  • chronomancerchronomancer Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,223
    edited May 2013
    s3z3 wrote: »
    double cler+double cw+1 tr, running 2 CN per evening 3-4 nights a week. Easy as duck. Why waste time bringing garbage like gf\gwf into it. I stack that ***** for 25-30k bleeds and mages have fun in god mode under double astral. Double astral is the way to go cause u rly don't need 2 tr's on boss since most dps comes from bleed and it's broken as of now for double tr. BTW 16 minutes for the dragon himself. And yea if ur not running double Cler ur a try hard... and that **** is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> brah.

    So what's going to happen if they nerfed Astral shield and you can't cheap thru T2 dungeons anymore with god mod ?
  • spacejewspacejew Member Posts: 1,044 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    So what's going to happen if they nerfed Astral shield and you can't cheap thru T2 dungeons anymore with god mod ?

    Well, to be fair Rogue's still have Impossible to Catch so at least they can still tank really well if they have good AP gain and alternate Courage Breaker and Lurkers Assault. So GF will still be a non-starter, but at least it won't be stupid OP god mode for all. You'll have to kind of try though.
    MoF/Thaum CW SS/Thaum CW IV/Protector GF SW/Combat HR SM/Destroyer GWF WK/Executioner TR DO/Faithful DC
  • s3z3s3z3 Member Posts: 216 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    So what's going to happen if they nerfed Astral shield and you can't cheap thru T2 dungeons anymore with god mod ?

    I would jump back on my 12.4k GS gwf and finally have some real fun :) But that will never happen cause it's PW game.
    Carnage TR Dragon shard - retired? hell yea it's retired along with Nevewinter

    Seze - Rogue - Necropolis - <3 RIFT
  • zarchoszarchos Member Posts: 47
    edited May 2013
    All of what was said in the OP's comments is actually true. While i like the game, the class balance and the way aggro works in this game is absolutely sickening. It's one big joke... HAHAH CLERIC RUN FOR YOUR LIVES hahahaha
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited May 2013
    I am afraid this thread is a bit too vitriolic for it's own good.

    Thanks for the feedback but making destructive comments towards parts of the game, while a valid opinion, causes too much flame for any constructive feedback. Please try to tone things down. :)
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