I have yet to see a Trade channel in game. If it does exist, instead of just saying "it exists," how about being HELPFUL, and telling how to access it? Also, if there is indeed a forum post about this magical Trade Chat everyone speaks of, how about posting a LINK to it, instead of just mentioning it?
I could just as easily say Dragons exist and plug my ears as you complain about how absurd that is, but that would just make us both look dumb, wouldn't it?
No offense but I remember the days when I looked things up for the MMO's I played which involved actually going to websites and checking how much certain items go for and where it would be best to sell such items.
I remember guides being written not only on what items were sought after but which location players should spam for certain items. There was actually a player driven edict that weapons were traded in one zone, armor in a different location and potions in another. I actually think it's far better to have player driven chat channels than company driven ones but of course in order to know about these channels you would have to ask or do some research into them.
The thing I don't understand is why people don't spend some time looking into them after they get muted rather than continuing to spam the zone chat.
But that's me as a player stating my opinion as a player. I expect trade channels will take off sooner or later as players get tired of being muted. I don't condone the action of reporting trade spam as actual spam but in all honesty a little research goes a long way.
I agree that players should research the games they play, especially mmos, but for whatever reason a lot of them dont.
Basically, all Im trying to say is, instead of getting upset about how players use zone chat then ignoring a potentially otherwise good player/person maybe try educating them then both players are happy instead of both players being mad. I believe that most "spammers" dont want to spam, they just feel they have to because zone is flooded all the time. If multiple people are spamming you can insult, ignore or whatever them all day and it wont fix a thing, give them a chance to use the right chat by simply letting them know one is there for them. After a while the ones that still spam in zone wont be able to claim ignorance and they get what they deserve.
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calaminthaMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
No offense but I remember the days when I looked things up for the MMO's I played which involved actually going to websites and checking how much certain items go for and where it would be best to sell such items.
That was before MMOs added quest helpers because reading what the quest says was too hard.
I agree that players should research the games they play, especially mmos, but for whatever reason a lot of them dont.
Basically, all Im trying to say is, instead of getting upset about how players use zone chat then ignoring a potentially otherwise good player/person maybe try educating them then both players are happy instead of both players being mad. I believe that most "spammers" dont want to spam, they just feel they have to because zone is flooded all the time. If multiple people are spamming you can insult, ignore or whatever them all day and it wont fix a thing, give them a chance to use the right chat by simply letting them know one is there for them. After a while the ones that still spam in zone wont be able to claim ignorance and they get what they deserve.
I agree. I think players are just fed up at the moment with little to no forgiveness.
Zone chat is an unusable mess. Any messages to try to educate players about the user trade channels would get lost in the shuffle or would likely get reported as spam if you posted it enough for them to notice, meh.
I chose the lesser of two evils and turned off zone chat....and being "forced" into that has irked me a lot.
However I have noticed that there's no list of user chat channels on the official wiki. Somebody should add a page detailing well known player trade and group finding channels.
I agree. I think players are just fed up at the moment with little to no forgiveness.
Zone chat is an unusable mess. Any messages to try to educate players about the user trade channels would get lost in the shuffle or would likely get reported as spam if you posted it enough for them to notice, meh.
I chose the lesser of two evils and turned off zone chat....and being "forced" into that has irked me a lot.
However I have noticed that there's no list of user chat channels on the official wiki. Somebody should add a page detailing well known player trade and group finding channels.
players messages probably would get lost in the clutter, didnt really think about that one. I dont really think players would report a legit message about a trade channel to cut down the zone spam though. Unless their just a toxic player why would they report someone for trying to help the zone chat situation?
chat moves so fast that the distance between the two posts was prob less than a second.
This is due to the other 9000 people trying to buy and sell in zone, but not me.
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silencebettieMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 12Arc User
edited May 2013
OP didn't spam...He said it twice. Is it really bad enough to report it? I can't remember what game it is but all the times you report someone it gets logged and if you report to many people with in an amount of time you get logged out for a day. I think every game needs this. You guys are talking about spammers being bad but so are the people who spam reports! Its an MMO if you really need to talk to people on chat whisper them. If you can't do that cause you just want to bs with people in the city then your not using it right either.
OP didn't spam...He said it twice. Is it really bad enough to report it? I can't remember what game it is but all the times you report someone it gets logged and if you report to many people with in an amount of time you get logged out for a day. I think every game needs this. You guys are talking about spammers being bad but so are the people who spam reports! Its an MMO if you really need to talk to people on chat whisper them. If you can't do that cause you just want to bs with people in the city then your not using it right either.
This requires mods to actually review the situation. The reason they have automated systems in place is so they don't have to spend money on people-hours needed to review it. I mean, why pay people to police the community when the people you charge to play the game will already do that?
The issue here is that when they implement something into the game that allows players to grief other players, it will be used for that purpose by some.
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silencebettieMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 12Arc User
The issue here is that when they implement something into the game that allows players to grief other players, it will be used for that purpose by some.
Yes, robust multiplayer games need to start from the assumption that most players are bad actors and will abuse what they can, when they can. All design needs to take this into account (chat muting, kicking just before boss dies, etc.). A lot of the solutions aren't that technically complex, but they do require careful thought based on how players actually interact with the game, rather than how you hope that they do.
OP didn't spam...He said it twice. Is it really bad enough to report it?
If a dozen people are 'just posting things twice' then the effect is to effectively and collectively spam flood the chat channel so no one else can use it. If there was just the occasional trade post few people would get annoyed, but it isn't. It is a constant and unremitting flood. If people look at the state of the chat and choose to make it even worse instead of thinking - 'uh oh, that must be really annoying people. I'll wait or just use the AH' - then I'm afraid people will use the blunt force tool they have to hand.
It is not your God-given right to post your trades in the Zone, or if it is then the rest of us have the PWE-given right to deem it annoying and use the tool provided.
Every time you contribute to the collective spamming of the zone chat you run the risk of being banned. If you still choose to participate in the spamming then accept the risk of consequences.
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aceofgamesMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 29Arc User
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http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?301322-Unofficial-Official-Trade-Channels-for-Dragon-Mindflayer-Beholder
There you go.
I agree that players should research the games they play, especially mmos, but for whatever reason a lot of them dont.
Basically, all Im trying to say is, instead of getting upset about how players use zone chat then ignoring a potentially otherwise good player/person maybe try educating them then both players are happy instead of both players being mad. I believe that most "spammers" dont want to spam, they just feel they have to because zone is flooded all the time. If multiple people are spamming you can insult, ignore or whatever them all day and it wont fix a thing, give them a chance to use the right chat by simply letting them know one is there for them. After a while the ones that still spam in zone wont be able to claim ignorance and they get what they deserve.
That was before MMOs added quest helpers because reading what the quest says was too hard.
"MBTrade"
Really? I think it's safe to say that no one would find those channels accidentally.
I agree. I think players are just fed up at the moment with little to no forgiveness.
Zone chat is an unusable mess. Any messages to try to educate players about the user trade channels would get lost in the shuffle or would likely get reported as spam if you posted it enough for them to notice, meh.
I chose the lesser of two evils and turned off zone chat....and being "forced" into that has irked me a lot.
However I have noticed that there's no list of user chat channels on the official wiki. Somebody should add a page detailing well known player trade and group finding channels.
players messages probably would get lost in the clutter, didnt really think about that one. I dont really think players would report a legit message about a trade channel to cut down the zone spam though. Unless their just a toxic player why would they report someone for trying to help the zone chat situation?
This is due to the other 9000 people trying to buy and sell in zone, but not me.
This requires mods to actually review the situation. The reason they have automated systems in place is so they don't have to spend money on people-hours needed to review it. I mean, why pay people to police the community when the people you charge to play the game will already do that?
The issue here is that when they implement something into the game that allows players to grief other players, it will be used for that purpose by some.
Yes, robust multiplayer games need to start from the assumption that most players are bad actors and will abuse what they can, when they can. All design needs to take this into account (chat muting, kicking just before boss dies, etc.). A lot of the solutions aren't that technically complex, but they do require careful thought based on how players actually interact with the game, rather than how you hope that they do.
If a dozen people are 'just posting things twice' then the effect is to effectively and collectively spam flood the chat channel so no one else can use it. If there was just the occasional trade post few people would get annoyed, but it isn't. It is a constant and unremitting flood. If people look at the state of the chat and choose to make it even worse instead of thinking - 'uh oh, that must be really annoying people. I'll wait or just use the AH' - then I'm afraid people will use the blunt force tool they have to hand.
It is not your God-given right to post your trades in the Zone, or if it is then the rest of us have the PWE-given right to deem it annoying and use the tool provided.
Every time you contribute to the collective spamming of the zone chat you run the risk of being banned. If you still choose to participate in the spamming then accept the risk of consequences.
These are actually helpful posts! Thank you kindly!