notmuchleftMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Could you please pass on the name of your in game character? I'd love to do a 1 on 1 with you
In all seriousness tho I think you have raised a great point and I hope for your sake and that of many others that cryptic can provide color overlay options in the options menu. Would a greyscale version/option help you out?
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notmuchleftMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
The way the circles distort on see through ground, like the icy ground in the dungeon the OP mentioned- does indeed make it harder to see it- though that's a separate issue from the colour itself.
dude I can understand its separate issue for you because its harder but its seriously like invisible to me and ridiculous I had my tank friend telling me to jump left jump back don't move lol it was epic fail was so annoyed. I completely understand its separate for yourself and is harder to see defo on the light ground but I cant see it at all.
Yep, should have a colour blind mode for sure. They should also have to send out a special controller to anyone with a disability. Oh, and special desks so people with wheelchairs can play. About 7% of the population is left handed so they will need to issue a left hand mouse with each game sold. A fair few gamers are overweight so how about a special chair for their comfort.
Id love to see all these games with colour blind options? I think I might have seen 2 games with that option in the last 5 years.
LOL another **** comes along into the ranks hi mate thanks for joining this debate that shouldn't really be a debate and actually most games have colour blind mode and its kind of a visual problem not physical so something can be done about it. ermm not much else to say really apart from join 2 of the other HAMSTER on here other than that mate you can go **** off and post on other threads maybe or eat ****. I don't really know what you type of humans do but it cant be normal lol?
I have seen several posts from developers that stated the game was specifically designed around color blindness issues.
Could you please add specific locations which are causing you (or others) issues and add it to the opening post?
I honestly can say actually every red circle in the game is too feint and can blend very well with the flooring but. it actually becomes invisible in most parts of the ice peak dungeon. I honestly can say that the game was definitely not designed around colour blindness dude because I am. The circles are not and have never been definitive for me. someone said castle never boss 3 as well I havnt actually got that far but 10k gear score im close to trying to find out lol.
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lethizorMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
In response to the community moderator, I'm glad that you've seen posts related to color blindness issues, I'm glad the devs are at least aware that this can be a challenge for certain players.
Considering the majority of people with color blindness do have issues with red/green : any area with brown/red flooring and red circles is going to cause issues, depending on the variation and intensity relating to the specific person.
Also, areas with transparentish/reflectiveish flooring has notedly caused problems with both my color blind friend and the two gentlemen already posting in this thread. I definitely think that specific instance needs a second look taken.
I know this has been a volatile thread, and that there are many things on the list of fixes, but a color option for circles, sparkle trail, and loot might be best in this situation as it is tunable to the degree of vision disparity the person might be experiencing in comparison with 'true' red/white/etc.
If that can't be done, I'd still be super happy to hear that they were doing another once over and kept this in mind moving forward.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited May 2013
Let's remember as with anything relating to human biology there's varying severity in anything.
Some people's color blindness only effects them if two colors are next to each other. Others perpetually perceive colors as being an alternate color. And yet others outright can't see certain spectrums of light at all under any circumstances.
Color blindness issues are certainly something which will be looked into on an almost constant basis over the course of time but planning around such disabilities can only go so far internally since any test group they have within the company would be limited to 8% of men and 0.4% of women in the company (with varying severity of color blindness)
So giving specific zones and specific locations which cause problems would be extremely helpful since it's hard to know what is bothersome without having visual impairments. Saying "everything" is far too vague to be overly helpful and remember that while companies will do everything within their power to accommodate all possible customers at some point you should accept that there are actions you can and should take to accommodate the issues that are, in all honesty, on your end.
One interesting analogy I saw regarding disabilities effecting games was relating it to buying a car. People who are paralyzed don't demand car manufacturers to redesign cars to no longer have pedals to accommodate their disability. They buy a car from the manufacturer and bring it to a specialist to accommodate their needs.
I am not sure what software or hardware exists to accommodate color blind people but I am sure a quick search would bring up plenty of options.
So list the specific locations and spells which cause problems for color blind people.
But looking into software or hardware on your end would be a more long term solution to a problem which will occur in every game to some extent.
teepussiMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
As non color blind i can say theres cases where the red circles get hidden under the ground texture, im playing all settings maxed. But i do agree games should take into account color blind and truth to be told some non color blind like the color blind settings. So lets be hopeful you guys get what you deserve.
Let's remember as with anything relating to human biology there's varying severity in anything.
Some people's color blindness only effects them if two colors are next to each other. Others perpetually perceive colors as being an alternate color. And yet others outright can't see certain spectrums of light at all under any circumstances.
Color blindness issues are certainly something which will be looked into on an almost constant basis over the course of time but planning around such disabilities can only go so far internally since any test group they have within the company would be limited to 8% of men and 0.4% of women in the company (with varying severity of color blindness)
So giving specific zones and specific locations which cause problems would be extremely helpful since it's hard to know what is bothersome without having visual impairments. Saying "everything" is far too vague to be overly helpful and remember that while companies will do everything within their power to accommodate all possible customers at some point you should accept that there are actions you can and should take to accommodate the issues that are, in all honesty, on your end.
One interesting analogy I saw regarding disabilities effecting games was relating it to buying a car. People who are paralyzed don't demand car manufacturers to redesign cars to no longer have pedals to accommodate their disability. They buy a car from the manufacturer and bring it to a specialist to accommodate their needs.
I am not sure what software or hardware exists to accommodate color blind people but I am sure a quick search would bring up plenty of options.
So list the specific locations and spells which cause problems for color blind people.
But looking into software or hardware on your end would be a more long term solution to a problem which will occur in every game to some extent.
this is shocking to even tell me to look for something my end ive played games for years and years and can honestly say ive never had a problem DAoC, WoW, GW1,GW2, SWG,EQ,EQ2,WAR,SWTOR and so many more I have never had these issues as bad as I have playing never winter im not saying the game is HAMSTER its far from it I love it. but all the games above had things to improve the sight or just made the game in such a way colours for definitive. as I said previous Icepeak second and last boss generally impossible for me to see red on the floor at all. to be honest the list is endless as the floor and the colour that you decided for the DEATH circles is just to close. blue would be such a perfect colour and I hope you go down this route thanks for responding
I'm not sure if this would help, but most of the time when the boss is about to do something huge, there is almost always a certain animation the boss does. Unless the boss it so cluttered by adds, you should for the time being, until a better solution presents itself, attempt to identify the said animation.
Let's remember as with anything relating to human biology there's varying severity in anything.
Some people's color blindness only effects them if two colors are next to each other. Others perpetually perceive colors as being an alternate color. And yet others outright can't see certain spectrums of light at all under any circumstances.
Color blindness issues are certainly something which will be looked into on an almost constant basis over the course of time but planning around such disabilities can only go so far internally since any test group they have within the company would be limited to 8% of men and 0.4% of women in the company (with varying severity of color blindness)
So giving specific zones and specific locations which cause problems would be extremely helpful since it's hard to know what is bothersome without having visual impairments. Saying "everything" is far too vague to be overly helpful and remember that while companies will do everything within their power to accommodate all possible customers at some point you should accept that there are actions you can and should take to accommodate the issues that are, in all honesty, on your end.
One interesting analogy I saw regarding disabilities effecting games was relating it to buying a car. People who are paralyzed don't demand car manufacturers to redesign cars to no longer have pedals to accommodate their disability. They buy a car from the manufacturer and bring it to a specialist to accommodate their needs.
I am not sure what software or hardware exists to accommodate color blind people but I am sure a quick search would bring up plenty of options.
So list the specific locations and spells which cause problems for color blind people.
But looking into software or hardware on your end would be a more long term solution to a problem which will occur in every game to some extent.
Just going to add my 2 cents..denying someone and then throwing a wall of text at them is adding injury to insult..makes you look very self-righteous. I work in the customer service industry and if I said something like that to a customer I'd get written up.
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cichardMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
i have a physical handicap where i do not have use of my left arm. So i use foot peddles to control W and S for movement and i use a razer naga with my right hand to do abilities and to steer. You don't see me yelling at the devs to make an option to play 1 handed..... i went and got the tools for me to play the game correctly. I suggest you sir purchase a colour blind monitor specificly for the spectrum you are missing.
I'm not sure if this would help, but most of the time when the boss is about to do something huge, there is almost always a certain animation the boss does. Unless the boss it so cluttered by adds, you should for the time being, until a better solution presents itself, attempt to identify the said animation.
Sure, If you're a mindless rogue or any other DPS you can just focus on what the boss is doing, but when you are a DC, keeping everyone alive, kiting adds and keeping yourself alive takes like 100% of your attention and you can't care less about what the boss is doing. The CW chasing the DC and his adds is probably another partymemenr that can't care less about what the boss is doing. You ask them to look at the boss and lear his patters and they will probably tell you to HAMSTER off.
Your one out of hundreds and hundreds of thousands. If that is even the case. Because you see, if you suffer from true color blindness you would be referring a specific part of the spectrum that you have acute failure of.
If you actually do suffer from an acute failure of a specific tint, there are solutions for ...between keyboard to chair..... and a specific monitor, .... for any specific developer to bother.
Not to mention you would and should have bigger problems to deal with than a video game.
Get a monitor for your specific condition, they ARE sold.
Or they could implement colorblind options like tons of other games. Yeah, let's just go with that option.
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i have a physical handicap where i do not have use of my left arm. So i use foot peddles to control W and S for movement and i use a razer naga with my right hand to do abilities and to steer. You don't see me yelling at the devs to make an option to play 1 handed..... i went and got the tools for me to play the game correctly. I suggest you sir purchase a colour blind monitor specificly for the spectrum you are missing.
Lol seroously people that dont have my issue sometimes have the problem with ice peak last boss dude its not thay bad i need to get a special frecking monitor lol you make it sound ive got one arm well i havnt dude its just the colour choices in the game are bad for people with my problem and without go troll else where dip
Sure, If you're a mindless rogue or any other DPS you can just focus on what the boss is doing, but when you are a DC, keeping everyone alive, kiting adds and keeping yourself alive takes like 100% of your attention and you can't care less about what the boss is doing. The CW chasing the DC and his adds is probably another partymemenr that can't care less about what the boss is doing. You ask them to look at the boss and lear his patters and they will probably tell you to HAMSTER off.
On the contrary no... even when I am on CC mode guarding the DC, I always pay attention to the boss, the adds and any party members who might need my help. I even damage the boss in between those that I mentioned. Sure it takes a little more effort then your ordinary player, but given the thread maker's disadvantage and the lack of solution by the game to help ease the disability, why not take this extra effort while waiting/lobbying for a better solution. Much better then merely typing in forum about it until miracle happens no???
First time I learned I was color blind was when I got drafted for military service. Turned out I just can't see red on green very good but never had a problem in real life or any other game because of this.
Neverwinter is different though. Maybe they matched my weakness or the damage areas are hard to spot in the first place - but it's really annoying and takes full concentration to notice the effect for example on dark green grass. I really wish there was an option to turn these effects into orange or blue because playing a cleric is enough stress as it is.
And to all you saying companies shouldn't care about color blindness: 8% of males with european ancestry are effected by red-green deficiency. So it's not something like 1 out of 100000 but closer to 1 out of 10.
As for the affected spells: _everything_ where the color red is used to indicate damage done by monsters. Hope that was specific enough
First time I learned I was color blind was when I got drafted for military service. Turned out I just can't see red on green very good but never had a problem in real life or any other game because of this.
Neverwinter is different though. Maybe they matched my weakness or the damage areas are hard to spot in the first place - but it's really annoying and takes full concentration to notice the effect for example on dark green grass. I really wish there was an option to turn these effects into orange or blue because playing a cleric is enough stress as it is.
And to all you saying companies shouldn't care about color blindness: 8% of males with european ancestry are effected by red-green deficiency. So it's not something like 1 out of 100000 but closer to 1 out of 10.
As for the affected spells: _everything_ where the color red is used to indicate damage done by monsters. Hope that was specific enough
Try my suggestion while waiting for a proper one from the company ^_^ at least it's something
i have a physical handicap where i do not have use of my left arm. So i use foot peddles to control W and S for movement and i use a razer naga with my right hand to do abilities and to steer. You don't see me yelling at the devs to make an option to play 1 handed..... i went and got the tools for me to play the game correctly. I suggest you sir purchase a colour blind monitor specificly for the spectrum you are missing.
You're amazing then. Colorblindness is rather common, there's no reason not to accommodate it. I don't know how common missing limbs are.
I like the slider idea for adjusting the DANGER color yourself, personally. Would that be difficult to implement though?
When the cold of winter comes starless night will cover day,
In the veiling of the sun we will walk in bitter rain.
But in dreams I can hear your name,
And in dreams we will meet again.
On the contrary no... even when I am on CC mode guarding the DC, I always pay attention to the boss, the adds and any party members who might need my help. I even damage the boss in between those that I mentioned. Sure it takes a little more effort then your ordinary player, but given the thread maker's disadvantage and the lack of solution by the game to help ease the disability, why not take this extra effort while waiting/lobbying for a better solution. Much better then merely typing in forum about it until miracle happens no???
This wasnt a well thought at post and i havnt been waiting i was in the ive peak dungeon smashing through the mobs then it came to the first boss i was like ok red circles are like 20% visible tjats annoying anyway got to the next boss was like **** man they like 10% visible. Then i got to the mother ****ing last boss and could not see a frecking thing at all. So i was just pissed i exoerianced this actually i had my.mate tank el me went to dodge rest of the time so that was my solutiom amd we laughed about it then the freckin boss came along even the pirate dude on the boat at the end his res circles are so feint why do they frecking do it lol iys to troll i swear haha
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nectarprimeMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Your one out of hundreds and hundreds of thousands. If that is even the case. Because you see, if you suffer from true color blindness you would be referring a specific part of the spectrum that you have acute failure of.
If you actually do suffer from an acute failure of a specific tint, there are solutions for ...between keyboard to chair..... and a specific monitor, .... for any specific developer to bother.
Not to mention you would and should have bigger problems to deal with than a video game.
Get a monitor for your specific condition, they ARE sold.
This wasnt a well thought at post and i havnt been waiting i was in the ive peak dungeon smashing through the mobs then it came to the first boss i was like ok red circles are like 20% visible tjats annoying anyway got to the next boss was like **** man they like 10% visible. Then i got to the mother ****ing last boss and could not see a frecking thing at all. So i was just pissed i exoerianced this actually i had my.mate tank el me went to dodge rest of the time so that was my solutiom amd we laughed about it then the freckin boss came along even the pirate dude on the boat at the end his res circles are so feint why do they frecking do it lol iys to troll i swear haha
Because I was replying to someone with no color blindness? If you have color blindness, naturally you cannot do as you quoted me, instead you really don't have a choice but to do as per my suggestion that is to observe the boss animation instead of the circle, or have someone shout to you "move~!!!", at least until cryptic comes up with a better solution.
Because I was replying to someone with no color blindness? If you have color blindness, naturally you cannot do as you quoted me, instead you really don't have a choice but to do as per my suggestion that is to observe the boss animation instead of the circle, or have someone shout to you "move~!!!", at least until cryptic comes up with a better solution.
dude it dosnt work like that I apprechiate you trying to help infact I do look at the animations as I cant see any red at all still pretty hard seeing as red comes before animations so my reflexes have to be twice as quick which is tiring at the end of a boss fight lol
dude it dosnt work like that I apprechiate you trying to help infact I do look at the animations as I cant see any red at all still pretty hard seeing as red comes before animations so my reflexes have to be twice as quick which is tiring at the end of a boss fight lol
I understand it's hard but that's all I can think off for the time being, without you needing to buy specialized equipment.
are you saying the developers cannot have a color selector (or color/hue slider) so that colorblind males (i don't think any females are color blind) can adjust any color to their liking?
or the developer cannot allow mods to exist so that color blind males could recolor the sprites (or dds) so they can see them.
i do feel that the players could adjust the color/tint/hue to their liking if given the option to. This would allow the developers to not need to think of every possible color blind variation that exist and make a system that works.
Players love to customize their UI. I dont understand why CO engine (born in 2009) doesn't have the ability to handle custom UI. I'm not talking about the ability to hit ESC then click on Rearrange HUD either.
Open the Launcher. Click Options near the top. Check Disable on-demand patching. This will download another couple of gigs.
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In all seriousness tho I think you have raised a great point and I hope for your sake and that of many others that cryptic can provide color overlay options in the options menu. Would a greyscale version/option help you out?
The majority of males suffer from 'domestic blindness' too, where they can't see the scissors or the remote etc that's right in front of them.
Could you please add specific locations which are causing you (or others) issues and add it to the opening post?
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LOL another **** comes along into the ranks hi mate thanks for joining this debate that shouldn't really be a debate and actually most games have colour blind mode and its kind of a visual problem not physical so something can be done about it. ermm not much else to say really apart from join 2 of the other HAMSTER on here other than that mate you can go **** off and post on other threads maybe or eat ****. I don't really know what you type of humans do but it cant be normal lol?
I honestly can say actually every red circle in the game is too feint and can blend very well with the flooring but. it actually becomes invisible in most parts of the ice peak dungeon. I honestly can say that the game was definitely not designed around colour blindness dude because I am. The circles are not and have never been definitive for me. someone said castle never boss 3 as well I havnt actually got that far but 10k gear score im close to trying to find out lol.
Considering the majority of people with color blindness do have issues with red/green : any area with brown/red flooring and red circles is going to cause issues, depending on the variation and intensity relating to the specific person.
Also, areas with transparentish/reflectiveish flooring has notedly caused problems with both my color blind friend and the two gentlemen already posting in this thread. I definitely think that specific instance needs a second look taken.
I know this has been a volatile thread, and that there are many things on the list of fixes, but a color option for circles, sparkle trail, and loot might be best in this situation as it is tunable to the degree of vision disparity the person might be experiencing in comparison with 'true' red/white/etc.
If that can't be done, I'd still be super happy to hear that they were doing another once over and kept this in mind moving forward.
Some people's color blindness only effects them if two colors are next to each other. Others perpetually perceive colors as being an alternate color. And yet others outright can't see certain spectrums of light at all under any circumstances.
Color blindness issues are certainly something which will be looked into on an almost constant basis over the course of time but planning around such disabilities can only go so far internally since any test group they have within the company would be limited to 8% of men and 0.4% of women in the company (with varying severity of color blindness)
So giving specific zones and specific locations which cause problems would be extremely helpful since it's hard to know what is bothersome without having visual impairments. Saying "everything" is far too vague to be overly helpful and remember that while companies will do everything within their power to accommodate all possible customers at some point you should accept that there are actions you can and should take to accommodate the issues that are, in all honesty, on your end.
One interesting analogy I saw regarding disabilities effecting games was relating it to buying a car. People who are paralyzed don't demand car manufacturers to redesign cars to no longer have pedals to accommodate their disability. They buy a car from the manufacturer and bring it to a specialist to accommodate their needs.
I am not sure what software or hardware exists to accommodate color blind people but I am sure a quick search would bring up plenty of options.
So list the specific locations and spells which cause problems for color blind people.
But looking into software or hardware on your end would be a more long term solution to a problem which will occur in every game to some extent.
this is shocking to even tell me to look for something my end ive played games for years and years and can honestly say ive never had a problem DAoC, WoW, GW1,GW2, SWG,EQ,EQ2,WAR,SWTOR and so many more I have never had these issues as bad as I have playing never winter im not saying the game is HAMSTER its far from it I love it. but all the games above had things to improve the sight or just made the game in such a way colours for definitive. as I said previous Icepeak second and last boss generally impossible for me to see red on the floor at all. to be honest the list is endless as the floor and the colour that you decided for the DEATH circles is just to close. blue would be such a perfect colour and I hope you go down this route thanks for responding
Just going to add my 2 cents..denying someone and then throwing a wall of text at them is adding injury to insult..makes you look very self-righteous. I work in the customer service industry and if I said something like that to a customer I'd get written up.
Sure, If you're a mindless rogue or any other DPS you can just focus on what the boss is doing, but when you are a DC, keeping everyone alive, kiting adds and keeping yourself alive takes like 100% of your attention and you can't care less about what the boss is doing. The CW chasing the DC and his adds is probably another partymemenr that can't care less about what the boss is doing. You ask them to look at the boss and lear his patters and they will probably tell you to HAMSTER off.
I want this class in NW.
Or they could implement colorblind options like tons of other games. Yeah, let's just go with that option.
Lol seroously people that dont have my issue sometimes have the problem with ice peak last boss dude its not thay bad i need to get a special frecking monitor lol you make it sound ive got one arm well i havnt dude its just the colour choices in the game are bad for people with my problem and without go troll else where dip
I know right some people expect some things ay lol
On the contrary no... even when I am on CC mode guarding the DC, I always pay attention to the boss, the adds and any party members who might need my help. I even damage the boss in between those that I mentioned. Sure it takes a little more effort then your ordinary player, but given the thread maker's disadvantage and the lack of solution by the game to help ease the disability, why not take this extra effort while waiting/lobbying for a better solution. Much better then merely typing in forum about it until miracle happens no???
Neverwinter is different though. Maybe they matched my weakness or the damage areas are hard to spot in the first place - but it's really annoying and takes full concentration to notice the effect for example on dark green grass. I really wish there was an option to turn these effects into orange or blue because playing a cleric is enough stress as it is.
And to all you saying companies shouldn't care about color blindness: 8% of males with european ancestry are effected by red-green deficiency. So it's not something like 1 out of 100000 but closer to 1 out of 10.
As for the affected spells: _everything_ where the color red is used to indicate damage done by monsters. Hope that was specific enough
Try my suggestion while waiting for a proper one from the company ^_^ at least it's something
You're amazing then. Colorblindness is rather common, there's no reason not to accommodate it. I don't know how common missing limbs are.
I like the slider idea for adjusting the DANGER color yourself, personally. Would that be difficult to implement though?
In the veiling of the sun we will walk in bitter rain.
But in dreams I can hear your name,
And in dreams we will meet again.
Spoken like a true idiot.
I know right lol what a complete wanker bet there mum is proud of them. Not. Lol
Because I was replying to someone with no color blindness? If you have color blindness, naturally you cannot do as you quoted me, instead you really don't have a choice but to do as per my suggestion that is to observe the boss animation instead of the circle, or have someone shout to you "move~!!!", at least until cryptic comes up with a better solution.
dude it dosnt work like that I apprechiate you trying to help infact I do look at the animations as I cant see any red at all still pretty hard seeing as red comes before animations so my reflexes have to be twice as quick which is tiring at the end of a boss fight lol
I understand it's hard
are you saying the developers cannot have a color selector (or color/hue slider) so that colorblind males (i don't think any females are color blind) can adjust any color to their liking?
or the developer cannot allow mods to exist so that color blind males could recolor the sprites (or dds) so they can see them.
i do feel that the players could adjust the color/tint/hue to their liking if given the option to. This would allow the developers to not need to think of every possible color blind variation that exist and make a system that works.
Players love to customize their UI. I dont understand why CO engine (born in 2009) doesn't have the ability to handle custom UI. I'm not talking about the ability to hit ESC then click on Rearrange HUD either.
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