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Ghost & Darkness - Trickster Rogue PvP/Guide (2v1/3v1/4v1)

famexx1famexx1 Member Posts: 36 Arc User
edited May 2013 in PvE Discussion
Hey guys, I've finally finished working on the Trickster Rogue video and link is below!

Class is fairly devastating if played properly but majority of rogues don't utilize the toon properly and are easy to beat. Watch the two videos and compare the two classes yourself, which class is more OP?

Trickster Rogue PvP (2v1/3v1/4v1)

Trickster Rogue Gear/Feats/Powers PvP L60

Below is my Control Wizard video.

Control Wizard PvP (2v1)

Control Wizard Feats/Powers PvP L60

I'm an executioner stealth build.

Dailies - (1) Shocking Execution / (2)Lurker's Assault

At-will abilities - (LM) Sky Flourish / (RM) Cloud of Steel

Passives - Sneak Attack / Invisible Infiltrator / Skillful Infiltrator (Rotate these as you see fit)

Encounter abilities - (Q) Shadowstrike / (E) Lashing Blade / (R) Impossible to Catch

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The TR is using Master Assassin T2 set. (Pick whatever you're comfortable using - PvP set might be good also because of the stealth bonus it gives.)

(Offense Slot) - Radiant (Power) or Dark (Armor Pen)

(Defense Slot) - Radiant (HP)

(Utility) - Dark (Movement)

(Weapon Slot) - Vorpal or Plaguefire

(Armor Slot) - Soulforged

Enjoy the video! :)
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  • supjeremiahsupjeremiah Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 569 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Enjoyed your CW video. That rogue damage is pretty ridiculous. Never a problem if you can stunlock them though. ^^
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  • laferrarilaferrari Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    awesome video, both classes have strengths but the rogue is definitely stronger when played right.
    would hate to fight against your team :P
  • tenkurotenkuro Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Nice videos, but one of the main reasons why you are dominating so hard as TR is because you're pvping with T2 gears. Most of the people pvping are new still trying to get their PVP set. Once you have everything you need from the pvp vendor, there's no longer any incentive to do the pvp arenas unless you're just trying to own face.
  • lerdocixlerdocix Member Posts: 897 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I love how TRs(the melee class) RANGED at will is much stronger then strongest DC at will...
  • tubbyadamtubbyadam Member Posts: 58
    edited May 2013
    very similar play style to me and much better than desolo that basically shuts up his videos and well his ego lol
  • damianessdamianess Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 283 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Why don't you be honest and tell them your gear? You have Perfect Vorpal and Perfect Soulforged and Dark enchantments rank 9.

    The neverwinter wikis don't even have info on perfect soulforged and yet you have it. 5sec immunity when you go below 25% health once every 60 sec is a big deal in pvp and something your opponents don't have.

    I have seen people waste their dailies on you while you troll away. You're the very definition of paying to win. Congrats.
  • zingarbagezingarbage Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Did I see a 21k lashing blade? yikes.
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  • famexx1famexx1 Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    damianess wrote: »
    Why don't you be honest and tell them your gear? You have Perfect Vorpal and Perfect Soulforged and Dark enchantments rank 9.

    The neverwinter wikis don't even have info on perfect soulforged and yet you have it. 5sec immunity when you go below 25% health once every 60 sec is a big deal in pvp and something your opponents don't have.

    I have seen people waste their dailies on you while you troll away. You're the very definition of paying to win. Congrats.

    I'm not gonna lie, the TR is super-geared but that's not what makes it OP, gear itself doesn't make a big difference the jumps are very small (unlike Aion) - you can reach soft caps in T1 or PvP gear and the Vorpal doesn't work properly - I'm not getting 50%, I don't think it works at all tbh - been testing plaguefire recently and I got a DPS increase with that.

    Now what does make the biggest difference with ANY toon you play - Soulforged, it is an extremely good enchant and very hard to get. That and being the proper build, making sure you reach the soft caps and using your abilities properly. Even the soulforged doesn't proc sometimes, in the end it comes down to tactics - if you can dodge properly and utilize stealth as much as possible then you will succeed.

    I've mentioned this before but I'm fortunate to be in a great guild, a lot of people struggle to do the content and progress but it's easy for us. It's an MMO - find people you can relate to who can support you and vice versa. Game itself is pretty god, albeit lacking content and I also wish it was less pay-to-win but that's how they -currently- make their $$. I would prefer if the end-game highest tier stuff was earned and that the PvP was more competitive. =)
  • zingarbagezingarbage Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    famexx1 wrote: »
    I'm not gonna lie, the TR is super-geared but that's not what makes it OP, gear itself doesn't make a big difference the jumps are very small (unlike Aion) - you can reach soft caps in T1 or PvP gear and the Vorpal doesn't work properly - I'm not getting 50%, I don't think it works at all tbh - been testing plaguefire recently and I got a DPS increase with that.

    Now what does make the biggest difference with ANY toon you play - Soulforged, it is extremely good enchant and very hard to get. That and being the proper build, making sure you reach the soft caps and using your abilities properly.

    You can reach soft caps, but you are running around with rank 9 enchants and full ancient gear and weapon sets. 99% of players will never have rank 8 enchants, let alone rank 9 or perfect soulforged.
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  • famexx1famexx1 Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    zingarbage wrote: »
    You can reach soft caps, but you are running around with rank 9 enchants and full ancient gear and weapon sets. 99% of players will never have rank 8 enchants, let alone rank 9 or perfect soulforged.

    Of course, you are correct... but all that means is I'm overcapped- I'm sure you noticed how scaling works in this game, you get very little gain from stats after a certain point. Which means that everyone is on a level battlefield with the exception of the soulforge + plaguefire enchants (or vorpal is it works) - those give the biggest edge in combat. =)

    If you guys want to compete - focus on getting those enchantments, they make a big difference towards DPS/Survivability.

    I'll give you a scenario - I go up against a player who has full T1s - Rank 7 enchantments and has reached all the soft caps and I'm wearing full T2s with Rank 9 enchantments - I'd be about 1-3% on my stats over him. That's how miniscule the difference is. If I had soulforged and he didn't, I'd win - if we both had it... then it would be about which player has better reactions (cc/dodge- and crits), see what I mean? The gear is mitigated by scaling.
  • zingarbagezingarbage Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The problem there is that those are roughly 10m AD enchants combined. Most will never see them. I've managed to scratch together 6m working the AH and zen exchange, but I'll probably hold onto the AD till prices drop.
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  • famexx1famexx1 Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    zingarbage wrote: »
    The problem there is that those are roughly 10m AD enchants combined. Most will never see them. I've managed to scratch together 6m working the AH and zen exchange, but I'll probably hold onto the AD till prices drop.

    Yup, the economy in this game is one of the worst I've seen. The prices for almost everything are super-inflated, I think we can thank the devs/cheaters equally on that. If you can scrounge up even the low level versions of the enchant, it's worth it, or farm it from the dungeon- word of warning though, farming dungeons made me hate my life, the pve in this game is la miserable. =P
  • maiku217maiku217 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
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    Pug vs your pre-made team, still lost? :O

    Also 1v1 ghost/darkness when we both don't have daily, you lose. :O

    Or how about when it's 2v1, you still lost. :D

    Should tell your dc mate with the perfect SF and rank 9s to get into your pre-mades too.
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  • famexx1famexx1 Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    maiku217 wrote: »
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    Pug vs your pre-made team, still lost? :O

    Also 1v1 ghost/darkness when we both don't have daily, you lose. :O

    Or how about when it's 2v1, you still lost. :D

    Should tell your dc mate with the perfect SF and rank 9s to get into your pre-mades too.

    Heaven / Darkness both crashed early at the same time during that match (notice their stats?) - Ghost was running solo @ base 3 and getting zerged down, I was controlling base 2 and 1 by myself and Death is a new player we have in our group. :( Ghost had to leave halfway through the match because of RL and was practically just me vs 5 in the end hehe. I don't think I did too bad considering the turn of events. GG though, will get ya next time. Maiku... I'll remember you for next time! ^_^
  • maiku217maiku217 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I believe it's stated that Ghost can 4v1? Shouldn't have been too hard.
    Still, enjoy you first loss in weeks.
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  • famexx1famexx1 Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    maiku217 wrote: »
    I believe it's stated that Ghost can 4v1? Shouldn't have been too hard.
    Still, enjoy you first loss in weeks.

    Rarely, depends on the situation, mostly it's 2v1 and sometimes 3v1's if everything is done properly. =)

    I'm also sure that this isn't the first time you've fought us, we play too much- next time take a screenshot of a match where the entire team is there. ;)
  • maiku217maiku217 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Then put up some vids of me vs ghost/darkness. :D 2v1.
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  • famexx1famexx1 Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    maiku217 wrote: »
    Then put up some vids of me vs ghost/darkness. :D 2v1.

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  • zingarbagezingarbage Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    maiku217 wrote: »
    I believe it's stated that Ghost can 4v1? Shouldn't have been too hard.
    Still, enjoy you first loss in weeks.

    You have some pretty nice gear yourself. It looks like you are on par except you run rank 7 enchants vs. their rank 9s.
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  • dreadedcobradreadedcobra Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited May 2013
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  • zingarbagezingarbage Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    dreadedcobra wrote: »
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    I don't believe he is trolling, he is attempting to make the point that when facing equally geared opponents they don't pull off 1v2/3/4 fights.
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  • zingarbagezingarbage Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    dreadedcobra wrote: »
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    I don't believe he is trolling, he is attempting to make the point that when facing equally geared opponents they don't pull off 1v2/3/4 fights.

    Though in fairness, it does appear they were outnumbered.
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  • phantomtempestphantomtempest Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Holy sh...25k Lashing Blade Crit.....Alright..Where is my credit card?
  • famexx1famexx1 Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    phantomtempest wrote: »
    Holy sh...25k Lashing Blade Crit.....Alright..Where is my credit card?

    To get high crits with lashing blade follow these steps.

    Step 1 - Pop Lurker's Assault (60% damage increase)
    Step 2 - Stealth (Another damage increase + auto crit on Lashing Blade)
    Step 3 - Use Lashing Blade on unsuspecting victim

    Bingo = 20-40k crits with Lashing blade

    Try it out for yourself, don't take my word for it, you don't need gear to hit that hard with LB - just use OP dailies! (Lurker's Assault)
    The only time I was able to effectively 3v1 / 4v1 was when I had Lurker's Assault up and utilized it - gives an INSANE damage boost. :)

    Shocking execution is nice, but it only hits hard on one person (If it crits) - Lurker's Assault makes you hit harder for an X amount of time, it's very good.
  • vipersteakvipersteak Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    famexx1 wrote: »
    To get high crits with lashing blade follow these steps.

    Step 1 - Pop Lurker's Assault (60% damage increase)
    Step 2 - Stealth (Another damage increase + auto crit on Lashing Blade)
    Step 3 - Use Lashing Blade on unsuspecting victim

    Bingo = 20-40k crits with Lashing blade

    Try it out for yourself, don't take my word for it, you don't need gear to hit that hard with LB - just use OP dailies! (Lurker's Assault)
    The only time I was able to effectively 3v1 / 4v1 was when I had Lurker's Assault up and utilized it - gives an INSANE damage boost. :)

    Shocking execution is nice, but it only hits hard on one person (If it crits) - Lurker's Assault makes you hit harder for an X amount of time, it's very good.

    lol my lashing blade is criting for 25-30k+ now :) thx for the tip!!

    also greeeeaatt video, your vvids are all awesome.
  • zingarbagezingarbage Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    vipersteak wrote: »
    lol my lashing blade is criting for 25-30k+ now :) thx for the tip!!

    also greeeeaatt video, your vvids are all awesome.

    He does do a very good editing of vids.
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  • odidee12odidee12 Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    nice now GM see this , next patch nerf CW AND TR :p
  • famexx1famexx1 Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    zingarbage wrote: »
    I don't believe he is trolling, he is attempting to make the point that when facing equally geared opponents they don't pull off 1v2/3/4 fights.

    Though in fairness, it does appear they were outnumbered.

    We got caught with our pants down, and they proceeded to "deliverance" us. He made me squeal like a pig, I hope we see him again... soon! :o
  • wh0wh0 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Thanks famexx1!! You just made my rogue OWNS! You shouldnt have shared the tips except to me, well just kidding ;p
  • bestcarrynabestcarryna Member Posts: 58
    edited May 2013
    T1 PVP gear - 1v3 since day one, get @ me son

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