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aaronfezdeath
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 6 Arc User
Multiple times during pvp, I have seen players kicked from a team, myself included at times, because a party leader kicks them for whatever reason. As a TR, I have been kicked many times while capping the other teams flag, while the party leader gets mad for whatever reason that I am not fighting in "mid". There are also times where the game is about to end, and I get kicked. Usually that happens when I am first place on our team, so I suppose the party leader is trying to steal MVP.
This needs to stop. It needs to me made so that people can not kick other players during combat. There should be a better system in place.
1. Have a vote system;
In this scenario, make it so that either the party leader or anyone in the party can request that a player be kicked. At that point, have a prompt appear on all team members screens where they can vote "Yes" or "No" on a player kick.
2. Disable Player In-Game Kicking;
Have it so that no one can kick or be kicked during the match. I can understand letting the party leader kick people before the match begins because a player might not have been able to join. However, once the match begins, disable kicking.
These are just a few of my opinions on the matter. If you have any other suggestions, please post them here.
Edit;
After reading some of the other posts on this matter, I can see its not only an issue for me. Another matter that was brought up was also players being kicked at the end of dungeons. I find this to be extremely annoying, and think there should be a vote system put into place.
This needs to stop. It needs to me made so that people can not kick other players during combat. There should be a better system in place.
1. Have a vote system;
In this scenario, make it so that either the party leader or anyone in the party can request that a player be kicked. At that point, have a prompt appear on all team members screens where they can vote "Yes" or "No" on a player kick.
2. Disable Player In-Game Kicking;
Have it so that no one can kick or be kicked during the match. I can understand letting the party leader kick people before the match begins because a player might not have been able to join. However, once the match begins, disable kicking.
These are just a few of my opinions on the matter. If you have any other suggestions, please post them here.
Edit;
After reading some of the other posts on this matter, I can see its not only an issue for me. Another matter that was brought up was also players being kicked at the end of dungeons. I find this to be extremely annoying, and think there should be a vote system put into place.
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PLEASE Fix this. I've been kicked at least 10 times this weekend for no reason whatsoever. Most of the time it's right at the end of the game, presumably so the leader can get a better reward....
This needs to be fixed. Kick only available before the gates open please.
But yeah, it's quite easy to abuse.
Only change that would be okay would be a vote kick. Not like the WoW system where all a bot has to do is run in and die.
Pvp would be totally unplayable if what the OP suggests is implemented in the current state of the game. The reward system that encourages multibox "afk" teams, bots, premade afk teams, and just general afkers needs to be reworked before tacking on a vote kick system to pvp.
Luckily I get leader nearly all the time, so that may make my view biased, but I only kick afkers/ bots etc; if someone calls me names I wouldn't care- better to have an active player who is a ******* than 4vs5.
Anyway, from the point of view of someone who pvps all the time and has leader nearly all the time, the ability to kick is indispensible. I have played so many games where I just say "I will kick if you afk", and got the potential afker to play; or when things are looking down and someone says "lets just afk at base" I can say "let's learn how to play against a good team" and we can keep playing. It doesn't save every game but enough to make it very worthwhile.
Not sure about the "go for mid" thing, but I know if a party is not playing together and everyone is doing their own thing, it's **** ANNOYING. Maybe you're being too valiant in that TR attack-then-run-when-my-life-is-low kind of way too much? I like when I'm in a team that talks about what it's doing so everyone is clear, if not, you probably should be kicked. Otherwise, bad idea to kick a TR in most cases, they're good DPS in matches. Is there a way you can see if you're actually going to "beat" someone before the end roster of players is showed post-match? I didn't think there was a way to check ranking until the end. If you can track it during the match, yeah, maybe that's why they kicked you, if not you're just being paranoid. I'm too busy helping my team and killing to notice how many kills everyone else is doing.
As for the vote system, I'd have to agree with that one. However, this becomes a problem for my next point. Suggestion two is pointless, because of bots. If I couldn't kick bots, I'd be annoyed to no end. That's why I joined a guild where we primarily PvP together so we don't have to worry about it. Or pugs. So the vote system is also pointless until the bot issue is corrected.
my suggestions:
1. gearscore check: these bot users have under lvl10 gear often not even equiped anything in some slots. I know, not everyone can have full rare or greater gear at lvl 30 or 40, but pls this very underleveled gear is enough to be weak even for skilled players.
2. vote system: if at least the 50% of the players vote "yes" then kick it, and if someone kicked 3 times consecutively then give a 24 hour ban from pvp (such thing cannot happen accidentally). Or maybe the simple more yes than no vote system for kicking.
sorry if this sounds like pure rage but that is not the first time this happened to me, i get screwed allot when im first placed or in the top 3 in pvp, and no im not a "i only rush the towers for 300 points bull" i earn my points hard protecting my <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and killing people.
so yeah a vote system sounds accurate enough, tho when more than 2 people afk this method gets also screwed.
like think of it, at the beginning u have 2 people afk and you cant kick neigher of them because they both afk and dont vote for the kick, on the otherhand they culd make a vote system like 3 people vote for kick, 2 against and he still gets kicked... wich culd be also abused, BUT be honest if people want to be dicks they gonna abuse anything they can find... especially on f2p games, so i think a vote is still better than the "im the leader i have the power, to do what ever i want" bull-poo
i like that idea good examples what they can change in pvp and those suggestions are even doable, not really sure how hard it is to realize 1. but 2 is a really great way to get those trolls out of pvp+ it wuld help the random kick out of party because im leader thingy
You see how fast people hit those buttons to assign loot rolls? They'll hit em just as fast to boot you from the party. No reason, no higher cognitive processing, no warning. Just
"Loading...Please wait"
TL;DR
It is obvious that if you were kicked from a team that you were either A) hacking or
Working as intended to remove racist hackers from pvp that is good and pro.
Hey now, you don't need to be racist to sling a few good insults.
So, I loaded up for PVP during the event and this guy was our party leader. He kicked my entire group (my friend was the last one to be booted so I know he kicked the whole group).
I APOLOGIZE PROFUSELY FOR THE KINDERGARTEN LEVEL ---- THAT FOLLOWS:
I did a "tell" to let him know that kicking people makes people's PVP break (neither me nor my friend could get back into PVP even after restarting the client, i believe this is a known issue).
Anyway, he said he didn't know that it did that but that it's "hilarious". I also called him an exploiter, to which he replied "Exploiter? lol" and I told him "it is when you kick the entire party ... which i'm guessing is so you can AFK and do as many PVPs as you can during the event" and he said: "No, that's not an exploit. That's 'doing a thing you can do.'" -- and finally: "Kicking people from a party when you're the leader is not and never will be an exploit."
In my opinion this is against ToS. And his arrogance about it is even worse as I'm sure he'll find any reprimand hilarious, but this particular guy just got under my skin and really ruined my whole Neverwinter experience this evening.
I know. I'm whining. I'm sorry.
TL;DR : Another reason to add voting is to stop these AFKers from ruining PVP.
ps. if a GM is interested in knowing this characters @handle, I would be more than happy to provide it, if you do not have the ticket.
There is no excuse. Yet they take money for simple (otherwise always craftable) bags? And they charge for RESPECS during a self-proclaimed BETA, made to test out the game? Come on...
Fanbois defending them are getting on my nerves...
Because two wrongs make a right? Who really is the little kid around here?