The real question is- will it ever be possible for GF to do anything except dps?
Fix cleric threat, reduce the absurdity of the astral shield's DR buff ,and people will want tanks. Those two things are what's preventing it now, AS turns everyone into a tank, and it's impossible to keep agro off a cleric; Now making aoe dps viable without redoing all of the encounters to remove ledges.. that's a different story.
Now for a question in left field, what IS stalwart bulwark's set bonus? I can't actually find it anywhere on the interwebs.
Your maths equation can't calculate skills of a player. Maybe you're just **** because I assume you are since you can't believe I did it legit. I mean you're just assume those players are '<font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>' right? I train the whole map and with one surge I gain half AP then I'd block and gain my other half. Unfortunate that you can't calculate a class completely even when you're playing it and using maths, that's how bad you are. Now stop trolling because you can't get good.
PS: Maths on skills doesn't affect the whole equation. You don't know what armor enchant or weapon enchant I'm using so no need to talk **** mate. They factor in a lot.
It's an MMO, player skill caps out down around third grade level of competence.
So here's some "real" talk at you instead of a bunch of flashy numbers:
First off, I run a hybrid of Conquerer spec DPS and Stalwart Bulwark for the defensive stats. Works out plenty fine as it's very easy to get hit 5 times in a row. There are a few fights where you won't get hit for small periods (for example on Lair of the Mad Dragon if you're "too good" and dodge all the AOE you will lose your stacks). I have no problems like this. I am not always going to lead the damage meters like some people, but I do enough damage that I am not in last usually and I am definitely keeping pace with everyone.
Second, if you get a solid group of people you can make most things work. Personally I run a lot with 1 DC, 2 CWs and 1 TR. We've done everywhere we've tried with no issues. Lot of it comes down to if you get a good working group synergy you're not going to have much issues. A lot of the higher end GFs who run with 1 Cleric are teams that run together all the time and know how the encounters will play out with their group. There's nothing wrong with this, just stating it so you get a better sense of "Oh there's no issues at all!" translates into they have a group where there's no issues at all.
Third, most PUG groups break down into 2 DC, 1 TR, 1 CW and ____. You can easily fill that open spot and usually it can be filled by anyone capable of dealing AOE damage. Over the last week more and more PUGs are open to the idea that a DPS Guardian can fill that slot. Most still won't give up on the idea of having 2 Clerics, and with as strong as 2 shields is (basically trivializes content) I don't see them stopping till it's nerfed.
Fourth, no matter what the scenario you're going to need gear and be able to put out numbers. Stalwart Bulwark is the best for T1 and Timeless Hero for T2. Personally I refuse to give up Stalwart Bulwark till they nerf it because it offers supreme DPS while still offering great survivability. Best of all worlds. Gearing up is more than just armor and you will need rings and enchants as well. Thankfully PUG queues are pretty much instant for any "tank" (thanks to the system trying to match us) so you're golden there to be able to queue in for gear.
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maiku217Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Frontline Surge hits 3 targets max; gives roughly 40% for hitting 3 targets at 3k recovery. Soulforge doesn't change ****. I have Greater plaguefire too. I never said you didn't do that legit, I'm saying the people you grouped with are horrible and that isolated damage meters don't mean anything. I love how you resort to Ad Hominem when you can't make compelling arguements.
Btw, I don't mind you bieng subpar because of your stubborness, i'll keep being the highest dps in the server.
Lol 3 targets? Soulforge? What the **** are you even talking about mate? I never said I use Soulforge, it's actually the reason I don't use it which I can output dps that high. I'm not trying to argue anything, only one arguing and dissing people is you. You think people are horrible at playing the game? Ask those players if they're 'horrible'. You judge everything based on 'maths'? Like I said, you seem to think everything is numbers. Your equation isn't valid until you've calculated every single piece of my gear and enchantment.
I don't mind being subpar to anyone, but I like how you can assume you're the highest dps though, good for you that you can think like that. And don't need to use 'Ad hominem' as a proper noun when it's isn't. The one straying from the topic was yourself, talking about my gear, my build, my dps. I just posted a ss to show OP that GF can dps and was attacked by people who think I'm saying I'm the best or something.
PS: But please, put up some ss, put up your ACT, put up your dps meter OF A PUG GROUP THAT IS HORRIBLE and please get those scores to prove anything you've said.
Lol 3 targets? Soulforge? What the **** are you even talking about mate? I never said I use Soulforge, it's actually the reason I don't use it which I can output dps that high. I'm not trying to argue anything, only one arguing and dissing people is you. You think people are horrible at playing the game? Ask those players if they're 'horrible'. You judge everything based on 'maths'? Like I said, you seem to think everything is numbers. Your equation isn't valid until you've calculated every single piece of my gear and enchantment.
I don't mind being subpar to anyone, but I like how you can assume you're the highest dps though, good for you that you can think like that. And don't need to use 'Ad hominem' as a proper noun when it's isn't. The one straying from the topic was yourself, talking about my gear, my build, my dps. I just posted a ss to show OP that GF can dps and was attacked by people who think I'm saying I'm the best or something.
PS: But please, put up some ss, put up your ACT, put up your dps meter OF A PUG GROUP THAT IS HORRIBLE and please get those scores to prove anything you've said.
No armor enchant gives high dps, lol; 2% reflect dmg is nothing. Frontslide surge hits 3 targets maximum, stop being stupid. I won't bother adressing the falacies. You posted your ****ing stats, I can use math. Let's compare ACTs in CN if you wish, post yours, I'll post mine.
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maiku217Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Yes, it simply parses the games external logs, doesn't modify the client in any way -- if they were against parsing they wouldn't enable the ability for you to save them to a file to be parsed.
So, yeah, Epeen competition aside, GF can dps alright. DPSing is actually the best/only way to tank effectively in the game too, given how threat works (which is clearly aknowledged and intended by design given that the "tanking" sets give a dps bonus). The problem is that people see the GF and thinks "Oh, there's a Protection Warrior", expecting it to tank everything with the simple push of a button and to do the average damage of a half dead critter. Neither is the case, and a GF going offensive has the highest AoE damage potential in the game at the moment, AND the second highest single target damage potential. I would say that makes it a pretty solid dps, wouldn't you?
Why would GF spec tank anw when everybody can tank with a cleric in your group?
Because with just 1 Cleric it's not enough to make anyone really a tank so going for defensive gear with one Cleric while you hold threat with your crazy damage it ends up working out much better than going full on balls DPS. That's not to say you can't pull it off, only that it definitely goes much smoother in my experiences.
Maiku where are your CN ACT logs? You can't pass my 60k peak dps?
Are you honestly trying to get something credible from someone who thinks frontline surge hits more than 3 targets and says thing like "stalwart is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>".
Sure he got some screenshots, but he's not doing damage BECAUSE of his selfpraised skill. It's despite his all-knowing playerskill, cause he has ridiculous gear and enchants. I found his first posts kinda interesting and started checking out what he geared for etc. But he's only saying his dps etc is awesome. There's just no substance to any of it.
Are you honestly trying to get something credible from someone who thinks frontline surge hits more than 3 targets and says thing like "stalwart is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>".
Sure he got some screenshots, but he's not doing damage BECAUSE of his selfpraised skill. It's despite his all-knowing playerskill, cause he has ridiculous gear and enchants. I found his first posts kinda interesting and started checking out what he geared for etc. But he's only saying his dps etc is awesome. There's just no substance to any of it.
Oh, I know all this. I just wanted to show him what's up and make him shut up. I have better gear than he does, know more about GF and on top of all this, my gear is mathematically optimized.
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maiku217Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
I can only run dungeons on friday/sat nights. So hold your horses please. It'll be up most likely within 2 days.
PS: Please post your screenshots.
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Maybe in the future? We also an offtank; I usually take 2-3x the amount of dmg clerics take in dungs.
Fix cleric threat, reduce the absurdity of the astral shield's DR buff ,and people will want tanks. Those two things are what's preventing it now, AS turns everyone into a tank, and it's impossible to keep agro off a cleric; Now making aoe dps viable without redoing all of the encounters to remove ledges.. that's a different story.
Now for a question in left field, what IS stalwart bulwark's set bonus? I can't actually find it anywhere on the interwebs.
It's an MMO, player skill caps out down around third grade level of competence.
First off, I run a hybrid of Conquerer spec DPS and Stalwart Bulwark for the defensive stats. Works out plenty fine as it's very easy to get hit 5 times in a row. There are a few fights where you won't get hit for small periods (for example on Lair of the Mad Dragon if you're "too good" and dodge all the AOE you will lose your stacks). I have no problems like this. I am not always going to lead the damage meters like some people, but I do enough damage that I am not in last usually and I am definitely keeping pace with everyone.
Second, if you get a solid group of people you can make most things work. Personally I run a lot with 1 DC, 2 CWs and 1 TR. We've done everywhere we've tried with no issues. Lot of it comes down to if you get a good working group synergy you're not going to have much issues. A lot of the higher end GFs who run with 1 Cleric are teams that run together all the time and know how the encounters will play out with their group. There's nothing wrong with this, just stating it so you get a better sense of "Oh there's no issues at all!" translates into they have a group where there's no issues at all.
Third, most PUG groups break down into 2 DC, 1 TR, 1 CW and ____. You can easily fill that open spot and usually it can be filled by anyone capable of dealing AOE damage. Over the last week more and more PUGs are open to the idea that a DPS Guardian can fill that slot. Most still won't give up on the idea of having 2 Clerics, and with as strong as 2 shields is (basically trivializes content) I don't see them stopping till it's nerfed.
Fourth, no matter what the scenario you're going to need gear and be able to put out numbers. Stalwart Bulwark is the best for T1 and Timeless Hero for T2. Personally I refuse to give up Stalwart Bulwark till they nerf it because it offers supreme DPS while still offering great survivability. Best of all worlds. Gearing up is more than just armor and you will need rings and enchants as well. Thankfully PUG queues are pretty much instant for any "tank" (thanks to the system trying to match us) so you're golden there to be able to queue in for gear.
Lol 3 targets? Soulforge? What the **** are you even talking about mate? I never said I use Soulforge, it's actually the reason I don't use it which I can output dps that high. I'm not trying to argue anything, only one arguing and dissing people is you. You think people are horrible at playing the game? Ask those players if they're 'horrible'. You judge everything based on 'maths'? Like I said, you seem to think everything is numbers. Your equation isn't valid until you've calculated every single piece of my gear and enchantment.
I don't mind being subpar to anyone, but I like how you can assume you're the highest dps though, good for you that you can think like that. And don't need to use 'Ad hominem' as a proper noun when it's isn't. The one straying from the topic was yourself, talking about my gear, my build, my dps. I just posted a ss to show OP that GF can dps and was attacked by people who think I'm saying I'm the best or something.
PS: But please, put up some ss, put up your ACT, put up your dps meter OF A PUG GROUP THAT IS HORRIBLE and please get those scores to prove anything you've said.
Because with just 1 Cleric it's not enough to make anyone really a tank so going for defensive gear with one Cleric while you hold threat with your crazy damage it ends up working out much better than going full on balls DPS. That's not to say you can't pull it off, only that it definitely goes much smoother in my experiences.
I think it'd be interesting to see.
Are you honestly trying to get something credible from someone who thinks frontline surge hits more than 3 targets and says thing like "stalwart is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>".
Sure he got some screenshots, but he's not doing damage BECAUSE of his selfpraised skill. It's despite his all-knowing playerskill, cause he has ridiculous gear and enchants. I found his first posts kinda interesting and started checking out what he geared for etc. But he's only saying his dps etc is awesome. There's just no substance to any of it.
Oh, I know all this. I just wanted to show him what's up and make him shut up. I have better gear than he does, know more about GF and on top of all this, my gear is mathematically optimized.
PS: Please post your screenshots.