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jovanasweet
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Hi all...I read this forum yesterday 4-5 hours,and i saw TOO MUCH problems ECONOMY DESTROYED/exploiters/BUGS/and all that stuff people complain...So,my question is for playerbase people who think they know much about game,and all who playing it,IS THIS GAME WORTH PLAYING after all this lets say FAIL's ??? I am really not sure should i play this ,or i will just WASTE my time...
So,any answer will be appriciated [Sorry if my language is not perfect]
Yeah,and many things here looking like this game is Pay2Win
So,any answer will be appriciated [Sorry if my language is not perfect]
Yeah,and many things here looking like this game is Pay2Win
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I love old school RPG, so when ive seen D&D based game, me and my friends just rushed here and start playing.After a 2 weeks, i am only one left.
There are few accusation of P2W.Its not clearly P2W.Its more like pay to have fun or have your face melted by mindless grinding until you give up and buy our imaginary **** from our half-baked game.
Clearly, if you are openminded, you will see that this game isnt finished.They nailed the word Beta on it (Although its beign advertised as a LIVE full game ( http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?239112-Neverwinter-Online-Live-No-longer-in-Open-Beta-%28Infographic-Inside%29 ) ) so they have excuse...but wait, they taking money for it...weird, huh?
Tell you what.Go in, make a character.Spend a few hours on it.Dont listen to me or anyone else, make your own opinion :]
Wow that has got to be the smartest thing Ive read all day.
Read any game forum and you're going to get nothing but rage, bile and whinging.
Why not give the game a try, it's free after all.
I gived it try
I've been playing MMOs since their inception and I can tell you one thing: All things come to an end, even WoW will close it's door one day.
If you have fun playing then play, if you don't then try something else.
The game is F2P. Go ahead and download/play it. Why would you read the forum for 5 hours instead of just trying it out yourself?
I love the game and my experience and enjoyment are not diminished by what others do. I could probably do foundry quests for years and never get bored of it. User created content is where it is at.
2 Greater Enchantments ( don't even get me started on the "regular" enchantments ) 420$ ( 420
Epic Mount 30-40$
So after roughly paying 450$ the game is not P2W anymore. Or grind 2-3 months to achieve the same.
I got 17 ( seventeen !!!!!) friends hyped for the game since i saw great potential in the CB weekends. None of them is playing anymore for obvious reasons.
Now go fanboys...try to prove me wrong....you can't
That is easy. The hardest content in the game, Castle Never, was beaten by people without these enchants. Within less than two weeks. PvP is unranked and gimmicky, thus irrelevant, as there are no rewards, titles, or anything else to be gained from it. The wards are also obtainable from praying. At no cost.
Claiming that wards are necessary for anything is like saying you need a Ferrari to get to work/school two blocks down the street.
(And if 2 months of playing is too long to get the best gear/enchants in the game, then MMOs are probably not the genre for you.)
Castle Never can be cleared with 2 clerics +3 anything. Frankly ALL the current content can be cleared this way. When people talk about the P2W issue they talk about PvP. Noone......I repeat NOONE gives the slightest flying F** about PvE. I have 6 character slots ( so in effect i already payed to win
It's just plain ridiculous how some people still vehemently "protect" this greatly flawed game as if they were on PWE's payroll.
It's ok imivo ....you tried.
Right there is your problem. This game is marketed as a DnD-based PvE game. 99% of the content is PvE. The game has one PvP mode with a handful of maps. There is no ranking system, there are no titles, there are no long-term material gains for PvP. It's just an afterthought. There is no competitive PvP framework.
Why, exactly, would you pick this game if you only want to PvP? There are tons of games that do PvP better and are actually designed for it.
What you do is like going into a night bar and complaining that they only have three types of alcohol-free juice and no milkshakes. Try some of the cocktails and you'll have a happier time.
I'm 'old school' (started playing computer games in 1976, spent many years in UO starting in 1997. Been playing DnD off and on since the early 1980's) and I'm in no rush to get to max level.
My main character is level 48 (maybe 49), two alts in the low 20's. I've done exactly *one* dungeon (with guildmates), zero PvP and no skirmishes. For me the enjoyment comes simply from the experience of playing as my character (yes, I'm a roleplayer).
I've joined a guild of really great folks, very few are at max level so there's always someone around to help out when needed.
I'm in no rush to get to max level, mostly just been working through the main quest line at a slow pace, enjoying the immersion, the writing, the lore, the unexpected little things that make me smile along the way. Compared to other MMO's that I've played (UO, SWG, EQ, DAOC and others) I'd say this one is better at this point in development than any of those were and it's only going to continue to get better.
I do keep zone chat turned off when in Protectors enclave, it's pretty much useless.
I *know* what I am expecting to get from being here, and that's hours and hours of entertainment and fun. So far I am quite happy with that. I have not run into a single game-stopping bug, glitch or crash. It runs very smoothly for me even with graphics on max at 2560 x 1600 full screen. Sure, there are some minor graphics problems, as well as some intermittent sound issues, but nothing that stops me from having fun.
Like any forum tho, folks only come here to complain. The sheer volume might seem overwhelming and a sign that something is 'broken', but there really are only a relatively small number of major issues. What makes it overwhelming is that the same exact complaint is posted over and over and over and over again by different people (instead of scrolling down to see if there's *already* a thread addressing or discussing that exact topic). This is not a sign that the game is 'broken', but that people are broken.
(Yes, I know that some of the major issues are *MAJOR*. Having hundreds of new threads getting cintinually opend on the exact same thing doesn't get it fixed any faster).
So, as others have said, give it a try, get to level 30 (which is where it starts to get a little more challenging) and form your own opinion.
Toxicity in what should be an awesome theme-park MMO is threatening to tear it apart, just because a part of the playerbase has no anger control and vents their frustrations in a childish manner. They put too many expectations in this game, too much "things they want" instead of being patient, choose what they like and being open minded. It's common sense that you shouldn't spend 600$ in a game that just came out two weeks ago... And still, it amazes me that some people seem to be "surprised" that their high expectations haven't been met.
As for myself, I have few issues with the game, though they're partially my own fault - I love to powerlevel and got into 60 in a week, and hardly enjoyed the PvE content. Now I'm taking it slower with an alt and actually reading the plot and quests. It's being fun.
- Titania Silverblade, the Iron Rose of Myth Drannor (Lvl 60 GWF, Destroyer)
- Gwyneth, the Cowardly Cat Burglar Drowling (Lvl 60 TR, Saboteur)
- Lady Rowanne Firehair, Heartwarder of Sune (Lvl 33 DC)
- Satella, Sensate (LvL 44 CW, Renegade, Non-Active)
Check Steppenkat's Foundry Quest Reviews!
And I won't talk about the black hole + bump-the-adds-over-the-edge during the dracolich fight, or the double astral shield wombo combo that turn nearly any epic dungeon into a skirmish with free loots (just look at the state of the AH : you can buy epic items for 4~5k AD each, that's one daily per epic item).
When the PvE is poorly designed (adds, more adds, more adds with more hp, more adds that can't be CC'ed, etc), the PvP is empty (no balance, barely any content, going AFK and not playing is more rewarding than trying to win, etc), the queue/party system is from 10 years ago (give all the power randomly to a single guy, no one can join a match/dungeon in progress, unbalanced parties, etc) and the cash shop is everywhere (bags, respecs, enchants, etc) in an open beta (now live) you know that this game is far from finished (even calling it unfinished is giving it too much credit). At least they made the gameplay enjoyable and the story interesting IMO.
When i am happy to share the same oppinion...dont you feel bad when you quote me...and then rip out half of what i just sad?Why pick something only YOU like, out of context?
-OK I'm convinced now that you are on PWE's payroll. Didn't you notice the mass of threads of people complaining about the lack of more PvP and the affiliated balancing issues, P2W aspect? Gauntlgrym is to be released soon...maybe. 20vs20 PvP, doesn't sound like PvP is a sidenote to me, I might be wrong.
Why, exactly, would you pick this game if you only want to PvP? There are tons of games that do PvP better and are actually designed for it.
-I picked this game because I had great hopes for it to be awesome. ......"had". You actually have a point here I doubt your employers would like to read that statement though.
What you do is like going into a night bar and complaining that they only have three types of alcohol-free juice and no milkshakes. Try some of the cocktails and you'll have a happier time.
-If trying to insult me with this "milkshakes" bs, try harder. That one didn't work.
Let's say I'm going to a nightclub and only the VIP guests or "pretty" people receive their drinks in glasses. The rest of the poor and ugly crowd are drinking out of bottles.
that might have been a bad comparison.....
Maybe I'm a proffesional Test-driver. One day I come to work to drive that new kick-*** super awesome new concept car. After putting on my helmet and safety gear i approach the Conceptcar and notice it has square tires.
As mentioned, the wards are not needed to complete even the hardest PvE content in the game. It's also agradual progress insofar that you don't go from zero enchants to everything being enchanted with the best ones available in the game. Plus, you can pray with more than one character. And you can buy them from the AH, using AD you get from praying too. It would be totally silly to buy them at $10 when you can get them for a fraction of that in the AH.
If I felt the wards were necessary, I wouldn't propose praying as the solution because logging in daily is demanding. But all content was cleared within less than two weeks and PvP has no competitive framework or ranking system, so it's pretty much irrelevant. But even if we assumed PvP was of any relevance, there would be more pressing concerns: matchmaking, balance issues like stacking Astral Shield, no gear checking when assembling teams, premades vs. random teams, etc. All of those have a much stronger impact than having R5 or higher rank enchants.
Let me put this differently, to illustrate my point: I spent quite a bit of money on this game, more than just what I paid for the founder packs. I even purchased two Twilight Nightmares because they fit my characters and I liked them. What I have not bought are a) wards and b) any T1/2/3 gear from the AH. I could, and I would if it improved my playing experience. But I haven't, and I am more of a hardcore gamer than the average person. This is easy to disregard, but I wanted to mention it to weaken this p2w argument a little. I didn't even buy extra bags or extra bank space for my alts because I see no need for them.
I honestly do feel that this is a game you can play completely and without any relevant disadvantage for free. I wouldn't play it if I felt it was p2w, because it's not a system I'm interest in, even as someone who doesn't mind paying money for entertainment. I think what is offered for free here is awesome and I think it's a shame how ripped apart it gets on the forum. It's not the same in the game -- everyone I play with seems to have a ball.
Download the game. Have a go. I personally am enjoying the PvE aspect immensely, and I haven't enjoyed an MMO in a number of years.
Just stay away from the forums, they're full of these sorts of people :P
If you go into this game expecting to get everything you ever wanted, and quickly, you'll be upset.
If you go into this game expecting to just have some fun and pick up some loots along the way, you'll be fine.
Years ago in EQ, I passed a character with a flaming sword. It looked like nothing I'd ever seen before. I spoke with the character for a good ten minutes about it and we went on our own way. From that conversation, I decided I'd do whatever I could to own a sword like that and, eventually, I did.
Nowadays, in that situation, certain types of people would log onto the forums and complain about how hard the sword was to get, that they somehow deserved it and the game was <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> for not providing it to them NOW.
As others have said, you're best just logging in and playing it.
Yes, because PvP is the most important thing from which this entire D&D based game should be balanced...
Nice strawhat argument, comparing round tires (something a car needs) with an optional content that the game itself doesn't require (PvP when it's highly oriented to PvE). What about if they'll add an extra 20vs20 mode in the future? It's not fundamental for the game right now, it surely isn't what drawed me to it (if I want PvP I shouldn't had left LoL).
The other guy has a fair point - if PvP is your main concern, this game shall never meet your expectations as it is oriented to make all class feel cool and flashy, leading to obvious unbalancing (every class has some kind of snowball potential if you give them the right situation - and some even more than others -).
It's like people complaning about lack of lore coherence in LoL. When you play that game you aren't looking for a coherent story... it mixs ninja tanks with pirates, aliens, zombies and steampunk superheroes.
- Titania Silverblade, the Iron Rose of Myth Drannor (Lvl 60 GWF, Destroyer)
- Gwyneth, the Cowardly Cat Burglar Drowling (Lvl 60 TR, Saboteur)
- Lady Rowanne Firehair, Heartwarder of Sune (Lvl 33 DC)
- Satella, Sensate (LvL 44 CW, Renegade, Non-Active)
Check Steppenkat's Foundry Quest Reviews!
Free access to the game, but I have to pay the founder packs and the cash store items with my own money.
The PvE playerbase will not and/or can't sustain this game. When the PvP-people leave the servers will be down 2 weeks later.
Mark my words. I'm done here
This game does not need to soak up heaps of time to get through the story and level to 60. I would suggest anyone who tries it to keep playing until level 15 as you don't really get a feel for your class until then. Considering this will take you a couple days casual play I would suggest giving it a go. Worst thing to happen is that maybe you spend a weekend on this game then give it up.
In reality, this "predication" rarely comes true. Good-bye
Good thing you happened to be a paladin then, or you would had to reroll! And actually, nowadays a control mage would be whining about not getting a flaming sword.. and a gold star for loggin in.
Yep totally agree. this game is well worth installing and playing for the two months it will take for you to play through all the content on two toons. Good thing it's free!