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novoihelvettinovoihelvetti Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 46
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
There has been more exploits in this game than i have seen during my days playing MMO's since UO.

You could level up to 60 in few hours with foundry - That you fixed with long delay
You could level up to 60 in less the hour with quest share - That you fixed with even longer delay
You can still level up to 60 via botting using afk, pvp - You dont care
You can farm set of lvl 60 gear with afk pvp - You dont care
You can equip your character with ability to oneshot everything in dungeons(worst exploit of all) - You dont care


You have been able to farm profession lockboxes with quest share exploit since release - OMG WORTH HOTFIX

Seems that only exploit worth hotfixing is something that has effect with your zen store. Profession booster packs and XP booster. Anything else is completely fine and legit.

I really dont know how you can salvage the damage anymore. If i would be in charge, i would have cashed out the "BETA" card and took the servers down week ago until the exploits have been solved.

Only other option you have left is full character wipe, but we all know it doesnt happen. it would be legal nightmare as you decided to "beta test" the cash shop also.

Personally im really disappointed to you as a company. Exploiting seems to be totally acceptable in your game, as long as it doesnt touch your precious cash shop. Same reason applies for banning the exploiters, no bans are given as it could be loss in cash shop sales.
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  • ancientwolfgr808ancientwolfgr808 Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    There has been more exploits in this game than i have seen during my days playing MMO's since UO.

    You could level up to 60 in few hours with foundry - That you fixed with long delay
    You could level up to 60 in less the hour with quest share - That you fixed with even longer delay
    You can still level up to 60 via botting using afk, pvp - You dont care
    You can farm set of lvl 60 gear with afk pvp - You dont care
    You can equip your character with ability to oneshot everything in dungeons(worst exploit of all) - You dont care


    You have been able to farm profession lockboxes with quest share exploit since release - OMG WORTH HOTFIX

    Seems that only exploit worth hotfixing is something that has effect with your zen store. Profession booster packs and XP booster. Anything else is completely fine and legit.

    I really dont know how you can salvage the damage anymore. If i would be in charge, i would have cashed out the "BETA" card and took the servers down week ago until the exploits have been solved.

    Only other option you have left is full character wipe, but we all know it doesnt happen. it would be legal nightmare as you decided to "beta test" the cash shop also.

    Personally im really disappointed to you as a company. Exploiting seems to be totally acceptable in your game, as long as it doesnt touch your precious cash shop. Same reason applies for banning the exploiters, no bans are given as it could be loss in cash shop sales.

    I think somehow they only expected this game to last a month or two, just to get some startup cash for something else. Yet another good franchise trashed, again.
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  • lyokiralyokira Member Posts: 882 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    You assume that they aren't working on the issues. I don't plan to make any assumptions. Not to mention that regardless of what people think, there are games which do have permanent cash shop purchases in beta test. Example: Path of Exile, during their buy-in closed beta. And there are other options, but no one bothers to think of any. Here's an option: Having legacy and new shards. (this option is also used by Path of Exile)
  • mewbreymewbrey Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 517 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Only other option you have left is full character wipe, but we all know it doesnt happen. it would be legal nightmare as you decided to "beta test" the cash shop also.

    When you made an account and started playing you agreed that they could wipe your account in the terms of service, I am against a full wipe myself however as I have put in a great many hours and have never used a single exploit myself other than things I have stumbled upon and then reported followed by avoiding it.

    If they could fix these issues, then perma-ban the players that have abused exploits, withdraw all brought items that where gained via exploiting and refund any astral diamonds and be clear with explaining why some items may be missing and that people have been refunded the astral diamonds they spent it would be fine.

    Right now it is a lose, lose situation to be fair... taking no action people will leave, taking drastic action people will leave and of course its an MMO people jump ship all the time. But they really do need to start getting on top of these exploits, I brought 2 friends both the HOTN and Guardian packs and brought myself both too... I've invested a fair amount into this game I want it to work and I do enjoy doing dungeons with my friends and guild members... but some of these exploits make me rather upset.

    With the amount of issues going on at the moment, they will never get around to releasing new paragon classes and I am still waiting for the cleric healer paragon path! xD

    Love the game, hope it sees more love than its getting.

    p.s Please make T2 items Bind on pickup.. so they don't get exploited and flood the auction house.
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  • maho4200maho4200 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 526 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    lyokira wrote: »
    You assume that they aren't working on the issues. I don't plan to make any assumptions. Not to mention that regardless of what people think, there are games which do have permanent cash shop purchases in beta test. Example: Path of Exile, during their buy-in closed beta. And there are other options, but no one bothers to think of any. Here's an option: Having legacy and new shards. (this option is also used by Path of Exile)

    How dare you compare this with PoE, the sort of items you can buy in PoE are cosmetic only and bank tabs.

    Also legacy leagues stopped in PoE when open beta started.
    Neverwinter Online Open Beta is an ongoing success
  • czeslawczadczeslawczad Member Posts: 100
    edited May 2013
    lyokira wrote: »
    You assume that they aren't working on the issues. I don't plan to make any assumptions. Not to mention that regardless of what people think, there are games which do have permanent cash shop purchases in beta test. Example: Path of Exile, during their buy-in closed beta. And there are other options, but no one bothers to think of any. Here's an option: Having legacy and new shards. (this option is also used by Path of Exile)

    Working on the issues? Man, there's nothing to work on here. Quest allows you to level up to 60 in an hour? Instafix. Can't? Turn it off. Can't? Disable the NPC giving it. Can't? Disable the entire area for maintenance. Can't? Take down the servers. Otherwise the damage is done and in order to make it right you need to find every single **** person, who abused such a bug and ban them. How hard is that if you have 3 GM's on a cleaning lady's payroll like PWE does? :)

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  • lyokiralyokira Member Posts: 882 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    maho4200 wrote: »
    How dare you compare this with PoE, the sort of items you can buy in PoE are cosmetic only and bank tabs.

    Also legacy leagues stopped in PoE when open beta started.
    No difference. Fact remains that they did test cash shop with permanent purchases in beta, and they did use a legacy server to please people who didn't want their characters wiped. Don't bring other issues into the answer.
  • maho4200maho4200 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 526 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    lyokira wrote: »
    No difference. Fact remains that they did test cash shop with permanent purchases in beta, and they did use a legacy server to please people who didn't want their characters wiped. Don't bring other issues into the answer.
    But what is your point?

    They did that in CLOSED beta, there is no legacy league in open beta.
    Neverwinter Online Open Beta is an ongoing success
  • lyokiralyokira Member Posts: 882 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    My point is that PWE/Cryptic can relegate current shards into legacy status, appleasing people who don't want to be wiped, while making new shards who wants a server with none of the current issues (or stricter enforcement of rollbacks and etc against issues)

    EDIT: They can even call it the release shard.
  • gnostergnoster Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    You can equip your character with ability to oneshot everything in dungeons(worst exploit of all) - You dont care

    Just out of curiousity, how is this even possible? I have yet to see that in any of the epic dungeons I farm.

    Personally I couldn't care less about gear, so how fast people get their epic gear and however they get it, it's up to them. I wanted to play the game for the leveling, story, and foundry potentials. Gear to me is just an ends to a mean. But I acknowledge not everyone feels this way, character wipe will not happen, but I'd be ok with that as well as I enjoyed the leveling process - as long as I didn't loose the Zen I purchased (I wouldn't need my money back, just the zen).
  • maho4200maho4200 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 526 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    gnoster wrote: »
    Just out of curiousity, how is this even possible? I have yet to see that in any of the epic dungeons I farm.
    I think it's some gear set damage bonus that stacks indefinitely.
    Neverwinter Online Open Beta is an ongoing success
  • novoihelvettinovoihelvetti Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 46
    edited May 2013
    maho4200 wrote: »
    I think it's some gear set damage bonus that stacks indefinitely.

    Its a mix of abilities/set bonuses/enchants. They fixed the CW exploit on weekends patch, but GF exploit still works.
  • maho4200maho4200 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 526 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
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    Neverwinter Online Open Beta is an ongoing success
  • samarisesamarise Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    This thread got off track.

    This isn't about the cash shop or beta. It's about the apparent lack of attention given to exploiters. These exploiters are regularly ruining the gameplay for paying customers. I paid $200 for my founders pack and I buy zen. I expect to be able to log in and play ALL facets of this game without interference from other players.

    Yes, it's open beta. I accept glitches and take server crashes in stride. But I am NOT impressed with a company that ignores F2P players who blatently exploit the game with afk pvp farms, etc. It's out of control.

    I think it's past time for the company to issue a statement of policy regarding this situation and what they plan to do about it. And no I'm not waiting to Grand Launch.

    I can't use my character of choice because she is locked into a pvp group by an afk'er. I get kicked out of pvp groups because... OMG!!!! I actually queue for pvp because I like to play pvp! They kick me out because I prolong the game with my efforts to win.

    And there are other exploits and hacks in addition to these. It's gotta stop.
  • rapticorrapticor Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,078 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I like how you classified half of them as "You don't care". You have no idea what they care about and to think you do is laughable. I'm sure they are working as hard as they can to address the critical issues and it's unfortunate that it doesn't fall into your time schedule.
  • jetahjetah Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    rapticor wrote: »
    I'm sure they are working as hard as they can to address the critical issues and it's unfortunate that it doesn't fall into your time schedule.

    Until I see a Developer Blog or Tweet stating they are working on a fix, they I'll assume they dont care.

    How hard would it be to break the 4p bonus on a Tier Set to prevent an exploit?
    -Change a name of one of the items so it isnt counted.

    The damage is done. Those that exploit the system have stockpiles of AD, items and might have moved them all to other accounts for the possibility, however small, the account is banned.

    I would have been OK with the servers being offline while they work on a fix for the exploits.
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