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I Had A Ephiphany

nymesis92nymesis92 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 270 Bounty Hunter
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
I monitor the forums pretty regularly to make sure I know what's going on with everything and all that good stuff, and just now after reading about the solo kill on the final end game boss it finally struck me as to why nothing is being done about certain things in the game that you would normally think would be "hot fixed"..

We are playing the "open beta". I think somewhere along the lines of my never ending questing binges that I forgot what I was playing is actually in it's "Beta" state. I say this because everything seems pretty smooth(as far as I can tell anyway). So their are no more character wipes, everything seems smooth, it looks great, combat is awesome....and somewhere in the middle of all this I just forgot about it being a Beta when reading about some stuff.

Anyway...I'm enjoying the game! Hopefully some of the "major" things will be addressed that the "majority" of the community have problems with by "Launch" of the final version.
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  • lollielollie Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Well you know what they say - exploit early and exploit often.
  • mreptmrept Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    You are so deluded that it's almost cute..
  • terradraconisterradraconis Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Actually Players in all games generally have the fantasy that the developers can instantly snap their fingers and have a fix for whatever problem they are unhappy with within 12 hours. And if it isn't fixed in that time then the devs are ignoring whatever problem they are reporting. Be it world shaking or minor.

    The reality is that yes in a very small number of cases that might be true, but even there you would need to fix it, test it, and roll it out as part of a general patch. So even an ideal fast turn around in a game that was patching daily during the week might take 2 - 5 days.

    More likely the problem either is much more complex than people think involving multiple complex systems needing to be modified to create a fix. Often it can take weeks or months for an actual fix to be coded and rolled out and rarely the fix would be worse than the problem or break far more systems than it would fix and the fix is put on hold.

    And then we have people complaining 2 weeks into a Beta that problem X isn't fixed.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • lollielollie Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Almost is not quite, which means not at all.
  • dndaphnevdndaphnev Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I thought the epiphany was going to be realizing Cryptic's business model is intentionally making end-game dungeons impossible to beat without spending cash on a big stack of rez scrolls. But I like your "Chill dudes. It's beta." theory too.
  • rapticorrapticor Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,078 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Whether you believe it or not it is still beta. I don't know the size of their closed betas outside the Beta Weekends but level 50 was the max. So I don't know how much testing epic dungeons really got. If anything they should have had another BW with the end game content so more people could have gone at it. I don't know why everyone seems to have an issue with that. If you don't agree then you probably shouldn't play it until it's officially released by Cryptic/PWE. Not whenever you think it's released.
  • isopointisopoint Member Posts: 193 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Do you people seriously expect changes in a matter of days? It doesn't matter it's in open beta. They have a laundry list of things to do and it's going to take months at the minimum.

    They have acknowledged a bunch of issues on twitter. It takes time. I get that and you should to.
  • delekii1delekii1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
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    This game is not in beta, no matter what ANYONE says.

    Once you charge money for it, it is not beta. It is live, with bugs. It's a cute behaviour that has developed largely in MMO designers to remain their games in beta state so bugs are viewed less unfavourably, but that doesn't make it a beta. If the game is being sold/monetised, it is no longer in beta.
  • nymesis92nymesis92 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 270 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    delekii1 wrote: »

    This game is not in beta, no matter what ANYONE says.

    Once you charge money for it, it is not beta. It is live, with bugs. It's a cute behaviour that has developed largely in MMO designers to remain their games in beta state so bugs are viewed less unfavourably, but that doesn't make it a beta. If the game is being sold/monetised, it is no longer in beta.

    Good point.
  • terradraconisterradraconis Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    delekii1 wrote: »

    This game is not in beta, no matter what ANYONE says.

    Once you charge money for it, it is not beta. It is live, with bugs. It's a cute behaviour that has developed largely in MMO designers to remain their games in beta state so bugs are viewed less unfavourably, but that doesn't make it a beta. If the game is being sold/monetised, it is no longer in beta.

    And?

    Seriously your point is irrelevant because it can and usually does take days, weeks, and even months for problems to be fixed in games. And here we have people thinking everything should be fixed inside of 2 weeks. Are you freaking nuts?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • rapticorrapticor Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,078 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    This game is not a beta.. because delekii1 says it's not. I'm sure glad that's cleared up.
  • terradraconisterradraconis Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    rapticor wrote: »
    This game is not a beta.. because delekii1 says it's not. I'm sure glad that's cleared up.

    If delekii1 and others want to claim that the game isn't in beta that is fine. I'll laugh at their whinging and make fun of them for it because the game clearly isn't live or ready for a live publish.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • ordainedoneordainedone Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The game is not in beta. The cash shop is working just fine, and thats ALL PWE cares about.
  • terradraconisterradraconis Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    ordainedone wrote: »
    The game is not in beta. The cash shop is working just fine, and thats ALL PWE cares about.

    If it makes you happy to think that. Fine. but don't come whinging to the board and expect to be taken seriously with the game isn't in beta as your reason for X being a problem.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • agent2090agent2090 Member Posts: 40
    edited May 2013
    delekii1 wrote: »
    This game is not in beta, no matter what ANYONE says.

    Once you charge money for it, it is not beta. It is live, with bugs. It's a cute behaviour that has developed largely in MMO designers to remain their games in beta state so bugs are viewed less unfavourably, but that doesn't make it a beta. If the game is being sold/monetised, it is no longer in beta.

    That may have been true in the past, but nowadays people/companies are charging for alpha builds of games (Minecraft and ARMA III come to mind). Seems to be a new mindset taking hold, "get it out as quick as possible to make money as quick as possible."
  • delekii1delekii1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    terradraconis wrote: »
    And?

    Seriously your point is irrelevant because it can and usually does take days, weeks, and even months for problems to be fixed in games. And here we have people thinking everything should be fixed inside of 2 weeks. Are you freaking nuts?
    It doesn't take days, weeks, months to fix problems in most games. Some problems, sure. Most problems, no.
    rapticor wrote: »
    This game is not a beta.. because delekii1 says it's not. I'm sure glad that's cleared up.
    Did you even look at the screenshot? The Perfect World website says it's not beta, and the monetisation of the game says it's not beta.
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