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Ehrmagerd this game is Pay to win!!!!!111
conundrumnsa
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Yes, it is. That doesn't make it a bad (or good) game. Cryptic and PWE are not charitable organizations, they have a single goal, to make money. Seriously, look at the cash shop in STO, it's pack with P2W stuff.
The point of this is simple.
Play the game for what it is, or don't play. They are not going to change the business model they use for their game. Complaining about the cash shop in a F2P game is actually a pretty high degree of "DERP".
The point of this is simple.
Play the game for what it is, or don't play. They are not going to change the business model they use for their game. Complaining about the cash shop in a F2P game is actually a pretty high degree of "DERP".
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Probably because it doesn't have a set meaning. Just because YOU define it one way doesn't mean everyone does. It's kinda like some people make the distinction between free to play and buy to play and some don't.
Actually, it does have a set meaning. I've decided to make a nice new thread for you, catch it soon.
I can hardly wait. But I can think of two definitions right off the top of my head.
1) You must spend cash to be able to do endgame content at all. (I'm assuming you are pretending this is the only definition)
2) If you spend cash you get a distinct advantage of non-cash players in leveling speed or power, but non-cash players are not excluded from any content.
Levelling faster = convenience
Gaining epic enchantments which offer (even marginal) stat advantages which comparatively take around a year to get without cash = Abhorrent Cash grab and very bad monetization. It's like they watched the extra credits feature on micro transaction, and said after the video "ok, so how can we appear to meet these criteria, but twist and warp it to also work for us"
Cryptic are great makers of games, PWE... Dear god they deserve that F rating.
Galapagos risk fetter head goat.
Words have meaning. If they didn't we couldn't communicate. Don't change the definition for convenience/argument's sake.
-Rachel-
Go look in a dictionary...how many words have more than one definition?
Pay to Win, on the other hand, has a very clear definition as a phrase.
You pay. And then you Win.
Not a whole lot of room for variation, there.
-Rachel-
Yeah, except for the part where your definition is essentially meaningless.
You pay, PWE wins. Clear enough Rach?
What exactly can you buy from the cash shop that allows you to "win" the game.
Morons.
Edit. DEM 24 SLOT BAGS AWW ****TTTTTT!!!!!!!
HAH! Best response I've seen, yet!
-Rachel-
1. Spend cash to do endgame means pay to play. If you can't do the endgame and has to pay for it, it's not pay to win, it's pay to play.
2. If you spend cash to get an advantage that other players cannot get unless they also pay, then yes, that's pay to win. However in Neverwinter you can get everything just by playing, therefore it cannot be pay to win. All you can do is pay to get stuff faster, not win..
Pay to win is if you can buy something, that clearly gives you an advantage, and it can only be bought using real life money, meaning you cannot get the item unless you pay for it.
If you pay for gear in this game and are unable to win, well that's quite frankly sad lol. MMO's are braindead easy enough as it is and full of the usual paradox that better geared players are somehow more skilled. Show me a naked run through end game and I'll be impressed. :P
Technically not everything. Some pets are impossible to get without paying, and I don't think we've done a full comparison of pets to see if something like honey badger is vastly preferable to the kitty cat (granted odds are the kitty cat is better). (note I'm NOT factoring zen/AD exchange here)
This is an open beta. Start treating it like one.
Which is how it is in this game because you can flat out buy the best gear and enchantments in this game.
It doesn't matter you can do it in game. The ability to do that at all makes it p2w in a lot of people's eyes.
Also the understanding is that it gives an advantage in terms of "win" because I don't know of any game that literally let's you "win". That's how I understand it. It's called nuance.
...all in context...
You pretty much have no idea what pay to win means...
Pay to win originated in PvP games and pretty much the korean games where PvE was a massive grind fest to level and level caps were huge. Paying got you there 50 times quicker and not having paid means you couldn't compete against players that did. You couldn't even attempt any of the end game content because of level restrictions.
This game has PvP and paying players WILL have a huge advantage with mounts. 150% speed boost vs 50% speed boost... do the math. Sure in a year you could farm up enough AD's to buy a mount equal to a paying customer, but that's a whole year people are able to win by paying. It just comes down to having a huge disadvantage for a very long time if you're not paying.
for PvP this game is absolutely P2W, but for PvE it's paying to play on easy mode, which is kind of pointless because you can hit 60 and get maxed gear in less than 2 months. Not much end game content for paying customers from the looks of it.Then again who knows because enchantments might go higher than 7, so paying customers might be able to completely dominate the PvP scene.
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actually does make it a bad game, wealth should not equal the best of the best... work for it like everyone else... sorry but is a reason that p2w games are a alot less popular then games were its mostly cosmetics or, is a sub fee... games like DCUO, TOR, WoW, PoE, they all understand that paying for an advantage is never a good mentality to have... does it make the game bad? yes yes it does... and can have the best game in the world, and 95% of competitive players will walk away and never look at your game again. 90% of serious mmo players will walk away as well... and ones that do stay are 1% whales, 5% casual payers(10 dollars here or there) and the rest are just free loaders...
this game had the potintial to be a great game, with solid mechanics RUINED by the cash shop its seriously sad that i finally found an mmo i can get into heavily after so many years, but i find myself turned off by <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> prices, and horrible enchanting system.
Not really. Froobs can still manage to get wards off celestial coin enchantment boxes. Granted one random ward per week, but it's still doable.
This is an open beta. Start treating it like one.
I have better things to do with my real money that I work real hard for then to spend it on fake stuff that has absolutely no value in real life.
In games stores are there to rip off suckers imo.
Bet that pissed of some young kid who just dumped 200 bucks on a founders pack lol.
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