this isent a learn to play issue , and i dont realy think that cw and rouges are op , i htink that gwf and to some extent gf are underpowerd . this is not just do to extreemly low dmg compairtivly , but in the case of gwf , they have no way to mitigate damage , and provide very low out put of dmg , any class can pretty much ignore both fighter classes , most peopel dont even move with one on them , as 1 potion will out heal the damage .
with the rouge and cw , both will out put enough proper damage , but along with that they have multipul ways of mitigateing damage , cc , roll/teleport , provides respite form damage and gives plenty of time for potions to take effect , enough so neither the gwf or the guard will beable to kill them , oftin with 2 or 3 of the fighter class on a rouge or cw , the rouge/wiz will come out alive .
to the people claiming l2p , or that the fighter classes are = to r/cw you are lieing to your self , to make your self feel you are a better player then you are . sub 60 < as my rouge is 59> gwf/guard will not beable to kill any r/cw that is remotly trying , ever <possable the gwf with a stunlock build could , but thats poor game design aswell > .. the 2 fighter classes defently need some help <not nurfs to cw or r , as they seem to play as you would expect > ,
"I'd like to point out GWF gets a lot better later levels, I'm only 31 on mine, but I can destroy rogues in PVP." <<< your not helping your class by lieing to yourself , you are not at 31 destorying any rouge that is not afk , i dont say this as an attack on you , but be truthfull its not happning .
i don't understand how people keep saying rogues can oneshot you with their daily.
i assume they refer to shocking execution? sure, it can deal more than 20k damage in a single hit.... except your target needs to be lower than 10k or so health left. shocking execution can never oneshot anyone because it's power depends on how much health the enemy is missing so it can't even deal 50% damage on a full hp target. shocking isn't it?
and while it is true it's a real bother to guardian fighters especially (because it ignores enemy defense stat) it can be blocked.
Okay thx for yr feedback, but dear Rogues, explain me one thing - how can I do good damage to every class, but not to Rogue? Rogue can even stand in front of me and just hit me without dodge or such thing. Do u think it's normal? I've encountered this more often than it should be.
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jq99Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 12Arc User
edited May 2013
we have increase skills for opening attack from stealth, that is all your witnessing;
Okay thx for yr feedback, but dear Rogues, explain me one thing - how can I do good damage to every class, but not to Rogue? Rogue can even stand in front of me and just hit me without dodge or such thing. Do u think it's normal? I've encountered this more often than it should be.
Okay thx for yr feedback, but dear Rogues, explain me one thing - how can I do good damage to every class, but not to Rogue? Rogue can even stand in front of me and just hit me without dodge or such thing. Do u think it's normal? I've encountered this more often than it should be.
Why are you standing still letting them hit you? obviously, if you are taking damage and see nobody around, it's a rogue in stealth hitting you. While they are in stealth, their mobility is not great so you can easily move away from them and wait until they appear. Also, you're very low level and rogues are very strong at low levels.
this isent a learn to play issue , and i dont realy think that cw and rouges are op , i htink that gwf and to some extent gf are underpowerd . this is not just do to extreemly low dmg compairtivly , but in the case of gwf , they have no way to mitigate damage , and provide very low out put of dmg , any class can pretty much ignore both fighter classes , most peopel dont even move with one on them , as 1 potion will out heal the damage .
with the rouge and cw , both will out put enough proper damage , but along with that they have multipul ways of mitigateing damage , cc , roll/teleport , provides respite form damage and gives plenty of time for potions to take effect , enough so neither the gwf or the guard will beable to kill them , oftin with 2 or 3 of the fighter class on a rouge or cw , the rouge/wiz will come out alive .
to the people claiming l2p , or that the fighter classes are = to r/cw you are lieing to your self , to make your self feel you are a better player then you are . sub 60 < as my rouge is 59> gwf/guard will not beable to kill any r/cw that is remotly trying , ever <possable the gwf with a stunlock build could , but thats poor game design aswell > .. the 2 fighter classes defently need some help <not nurfs to cw or r , as they seem to play as you would expect > ,
"I'd like to point out GWF gets a lot better later levels, I'm only 31 on mine, but I can destroy rogues in PVP." <<< your not helping your class by lieing to yourself , you are not at 31 destorying any rouge that is not afk , i dont say this as an attack on you , but be truthfull its not happning .
GWF has the most potential in my opinon after all the end game gears and enchants. You can basically stun lock anybody with the right enchants.
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rakeonMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 2Arc User
edited May 2013
I play a cleric, and the only class that is really a problem for me is the CW.They can rotate their skills so that CC is always off cooldown and you can't do anything about it.Rogues are hard but doable,I usually can kill them. GWF and GF are a complete joke and unless I am outnumbered I will not lose to those classes.I have even won 2 vs 1s with 2 gf or gwf, but I am sure that comes down to skill. That being said diminishing returns and cc immunity NEED to be put ingame, like how DAoC was would work fine
I just suppose that such class like Rogue HAVE to do a lot of damage, I'm not complainig about it, but they should be more squishy than in present state.
All the ppl saying rogues are not op are probably rogues.
I'm a cleric and rogue isn't OP, people just play silly around them, Control Wizards still dominate Rogues and unless a rogue stealths out of sight you can generally just move away from them since stealth doesn't last that long to begin with. The biggest issue with fighting Rogues is Daze but that move is evadable and predictable most of the time (most rogues spam it so you just have to dodge every ~10 seconds). As I said before CW and Cleric can nullify a rogue, the issue is that the fighter classes are underpowered right now and that CCs need a bit of nerfing.
And by the way everyone forgot about the AFK problem, I think everyone wants REPORT button
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cbrowne0329Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 293Arc User
edited June 2013
Wish the DEVS had read this thread before nerfing Rogues SE by 60% . I do believe it was OP and I have two rogues... one for PVP (scoundrel) and one for delves (executioner)... but I no longer use SE anymore, as it is now useless... especially in dungeons as my backstab does consistently more damage 90% of the time. use to hit mobs with SE 2K to 55K (my highest)... now it rarely hits for 10K and max crit was 21K... not worth powering up, and definitely not a top tier power. I use courage breaker now instead to lower bosses damage by 30% and slow them.
I've played every class... 3 to level 60, and agree that CWs CCs are insane!!! but hey that's what they do. What I'm annoyed with is the fact that they nerfed shocking execution, but that auto-tracking ice blade will hit me for 30K! heck at least give me back 20% so I can use the skill in dungeons again.
I've noticed in the PvP matches that team member tend to go afk when they give up all hopes of their side winning or even having a remote chance of winning. That such afk's happen frequently now just goes to show how imbalanced PvP play is in this game.
I've noticed in the PvP matches that team member tend to go afk when they give up all hopes of their side winning or even having a remote chance of winning. That such afk's happen frequently now just goes to show how imbalanced PvP play is in this game.
Hello everyone. I think alot of people faced this problem and the most annoying thing is that even in chat u can see such message "LFG AFK PvP". WTF? I suggest that there should be some measures against it, at least such as reporting like in LoL (I know that it's completely different game but...). And the other. I know that Rogues should deal ten-tonne damage, but as I'm playing Guardian I should at least hold them with my shield or stay for a while, or at least do some damage to them. But when I encounter Rogue, my HP is going to drop with incredible speed and the most annoying thing that I don't do any damage to them. Dear developers, I do like this game, so please, make it a little better Now I'm waiting for angry screams "****" etc :cool:
Let me guess , you just stand there and try to block a rogue's Duelist's Flurry and then you come here to complain about the pvp balance , not so bright not at all .
Exactly right there. Just because my team is losing doesnt mean I'd give up. If we're losing with no hope of a come back. The next best thing is to just focus on fighting. If my character is losing, they go out fighting.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
Let me guess , you just stand there and try to block a rogue's Duelist's Flurry and then you come here to complain about the pvp balance , not so bright not at all .
Actually, this is a necro.
If a thread is over 30 days old let it rest in peace. I understand why it was bumped but at the same time others will simple come, read the front page and assume that the discussion is current and not pre-patch complaints.
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with the rouge and cw , both will out put enough proper damage , but along with that they have multipul ways of mitigateing damage , cc , roll/teleport , provides respite form damage and gives plenty of time for potions to take effect , enough so neither the gwf or the guard will beable to kill them , oftin with 2 or 3 of the fighter class on a rouge or cw , the rouge/wiz will come out alive .
to the people claiming l2p , or that the fighter classes are = to r/cw you are lieing to your self , to make your self feel you are a better player then you are . sub 60 < as my rouge is 59> gwf/guard will not beable to kill any r/cw that is remotly trying , ever <possable the gwf with a stunlock build could , but thats poor game design aswell > .. the 2 fighter classes defently need some help <not nurfs to cw or r , as they seem to play as you would expect > ,
"I'd like to point out GWF gets a lot better later levels, I'm only 31 on mine, but I can destroy rogues in PVP." <<< your not helping your class by lieing to yourself , you are not at 31 destorying any rouge that is not afk , i dont say this as an attack on you , but be truthfull its not happning .
i assume they refer to shocking execution? sure, it can deal more than 20k damage in a single hit.... except your target needs to be lower than 10k or so health left. shocking execution can never oneshot anyone because it's power depends on how much health the enemy is missing so it can't even deal 50% damage on a full hp target. shocking isn't it?
and while it is true it's a real bother to guardian fighters especially (because it ignores enemy defense stat) it can be blocked.
Deflection maybe ?
Why are you standing still letting them hit you? obviously, if you are taking damage and see nobody around, it's a rogue in stealth hitting you. While they are in stealth, their mobility is not great so you can easily move away from them and wait until they appear. Also, you're very low level and rogues are very strong at low levels.
GWF has the most potential in my opinon after all the end game gears and enchants. You can basically stun lock anybody with the right enchants.
I'm a cleric and rogue isn't OP, people just play silly around them, Control Wizards still dominate Rogues and unless a rogue stealths out of sight you can generally just move away from them since stealth doesn't last that long to begin with. The biggest issue with fighting Rogues is Daze but that move is evadable and predictable most of the time (most rogues spam it so you just have to dodge every ~10 seconds). As I said before CW and Cleric can nullify a rogue, the issue is that the fighter classes are underpowered right now and that CCs need a bit of nerfing.
I've played every class... 3 to level 60, and agree that CWs CCs are insane!!! but hey that's what they do. What I'm annoyed with is the fact that they nerfed shocking execution, but that auto-tracking ice blade will hit me for 30K! heck at least give me back 20% so I can use the skill in dungeons again.
Ice knife can be dodged.
Or how butthurt losers are.
Let me guess , you just stand there and try to block a rogue's Duelist's Flurry and then you come here to complain about the pvp balance , not so bright not at all .
Exactly right there. Just because my team is losing doesnt mean I'd give up. If we're losing with no hope of a come back. The next best thing is to just focus on fighting. If my character is losing, they go out fighting.
Actually, this is a necro.
If a thread is over 30 days old let it rest in peace. I understand why it was bumped but at the same time others will simple come, read the front page and assume that the discussion is current and not pre-patch complaints.