I already have a 60 and the questing to me was boring as hell, so now if i dont have to put myself through the same drudge on a 2nd and 3rd character to get to 60 i wont.
Personally, I haven't used these types of mission. But I think it's a very sad individual who bases their happiness in a game or life by what other people do. I mean for crying out loud, look at the real world and see how many rich and famous people are in that position because they ripped off those around them. It happens everywhere, people take the easy option, doesn't mean you have to or that you have to let it get to you.
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
True alters don't have a "main". Account wide unlocks for all unique event rewards!!
Can someone smack the arrogance out of this guys mouth?
Yeah...just not getting why hard core end game players are flocking to Neverwinter...we had some moron screaming over VC last night during normal Cloak tower of all things. I swear I think he had Tourettes syndrome and scrub and baddie was the focus words of the day.
The we got the speech about once the top guilds started "Raiding" (what those big five mans? :rolleyes:) They would force the devs to make the game like Vanilla Wow. It was scary and sad all at the same time and would have been laughable if it wasn't so **** pathetic.
I'll be glad when the end game locust leave quite frankly.
Yeah, I don't get how other peoples idea of fun is encroaching on my experience. If I group with someone who PL'd and doesn't know how to play their class; then I don't group with them next time. I also won't play in farming quests. Not fun grinding exp/loot.
Not sure when you started playing but be real, when you run into a epic dungeon and the lvl 60 CW that i know didnt use the foundry runs out first and agros a ton of mobs (which you see 90 percent of the time) you cant tell me questing up to 60 helps with learning your class lol. Its the same argument i have seen in a 100 games. The people that dont want to or didnt do it always say this.
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valtrayMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
omfg they're banning people who used Cryptics creation program, they allowed people to make levels. and not expect this to happen? this i BULLSH'T. Banning people because of their own Inability to restrict certain things before releasing it to the playerbase is ridiculous. FACEPLAM /thread
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ordainedoneMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
omfg they're banning people who used Cryptics creation program, they allowed people to make levels. and not expect this to happen? this i BULLSH'T. Banning people because of their own Inability to restrict certain things before releasing it to the playerbase is ridiculous. FACEPLAM /thread
Yep, they are indeed banning for an EXPLOIT. If you're HAMSTER enough to know that something is not right, and continue to use it to your advantage you deserve the Ban. Or a roll back and ban the creator.
But people will always look for the easy way out. **** honestly, I can't even find myself playing this game for more then an hour w/o just logging out. The fact it's a cash grab, and just not all that fun really kill it. It's good for being a cash grab though, I think this is one of PWE's best Cash Grab games.
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lilura138Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
We need a Dev(red post) to comment on one of these threads. To say if they care or not. Idk about everyone else but I dont want to get banned and lose all the money/time I invested so far.
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hipolipolopigusMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Are you people dumb or just pretending to be dumb? He's got a valid point but he didn't go deep enough, exploiting these foundries means you get AHEAD of everyone and thus you gain multiple advantages such as hoarding items for AH and getting TONS of benefits from that. Please don't pretend you do not understand what he is saying unless you are one of those dirt bags that profits from exploiting of course.
As for you hipoli.... your mile long sig... gone... long live adblock+, please using your brain and shorten that sig it's totally idiotic, you wrote 1 line and your post is 40+ lines.
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hipolipolopigusMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Are you people dumb or just pretending to be dumb? He's got a valid point but he didn't go deep enough, exploiting these foundries means you get AHEAD of everyone and thus you gain multiple advantages such as hoarding items for AH and getting TONS of benefits from that. Please don't pretend you do not understand what he is saying unless you are one of those dirt bags that profits from exploiting of course.
As for you hipoli.... your mile long sig... gone... long live adblock+, please using your brain and shorten that sig it's totally idiotic, you wrote 1 line and your post is 40+ lines.
I'm sorry that my 250-pixel high signature offends you.
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kamaliiciousMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 0Arc User
I see alot of the "why do you care about what someone else does" argument alot, and where I see the issue here has nothing to do with any one person etc.
It has more to do with how they enforce this in general. If people do it, and they dont enforce it, it sets a precident of "exploit early and often, before the cat is out of the bag and everyone knows about it".
So its not really how one person plays ruining the fun of another person - its more along the lines of how everyone will be expected to play simply to keep up with the status quo, if they dont put their foot down.
Can't believe people defend this abuse of the Foundry. Do you also advocate hacks in other multiplayer PvE games? The effect is nearly the same. It cheapens your own accomplishments and gives them easy access to gold/pots. If the leveling fields isn't atleast relatively fair then players will ask themselves "Why bother?". Many see MMOs as an investment and this activity destroys that for them. How many people would hunt down achievements in other games if it was possible to just go to an npc and be granted them? Using the foundry is perfectly legit but it should be balanced as to it's rewards.
I see alot of the "why do you care about what someone else does" argument alot, and where I see the issue here has nothing to do with any one person etc.
It has more to do with how they enforce this in general. If people do it, and they dont enforce it, it sets a precident of "exploit early and often, before the cat is out of the bag and everyone knows about it".
So its not really how one person plays ruining the fun of another person - its more along the lines of how everyone will be expected to play simply to keep up with the status quo, if they dont put their foot down.
Exactly. A month down the line from now the game will be - do this exploitable foundry quests until 60. Then do your dungeons to get seals because they haven't figured out a way to exploit that yet. Then quit game 2 weeks later.
We need an official response and not the volunteer community team response, which is unfortunately their opinion on what they believe Cryptic would say.
Once the proper people behind the game confirm that this is not allowed, then it will stop and the foundry missions will disappear.
So people right now are using the tools and mechanics that game has to offer right now, so no one is in the wrong here. The developers provided the tools for this to happen ,so they have to official confirm their standing on this whole situation.
However this is happening and still does happen in STO and nothing from what I've seen has been changed.
The sad thing for me is that I already used it and now I can't undo what I've done and have basically ruined the game for me.
I'm not someone who likes to make more than one character, and the other classes don't interest me much anyways. I can, and probably will, go back and do the quests but all the mobs will be way below my level and won't even aggro me most of the time. And then I don't even know if I can queue up for the skrimishes and dungeons I missed.
How a team full of game developers couldn't foresee happening is pretty ridiculous IMO.
They will continue bans and probably even increase how often they ban people for it, not because it's unfair to other players but because people getting 60 from an exploit are less likely to spend cash on an item or mount, companion, etc.
They will continue bans and probably even increase how often they ban people for it, not because it's unfair to other players but because people getting 60 from an exploit are less likely to spend cash on an item or mount, companion, etc.
Can you provide us direct and official information on a ban taking place from this happening?
You give people limitless tools to create content what did you expect them to do? Create balanced and well thought out maps? They're going to create super XP/Item farm maps that are designed to power level and enrich people. I mean hell any look at mods on games that allow mods you see the exact same thing with people creating mods that make people super overpowered/cheat.
Even if they managed to reign in the cheat maps the problem won't go away. People will dress it up and disguise it as something else. One could very easily create some "themed" dungeon, slap on some roleplaying paint like "The Clerics of Cyric are celebrating a Day of the Dark Sun and so therefore you were kidnapped and placed in this maze and have to murder and spill blood in Cyric's name to freedom!" and still have it basically amount to the same **** XP farm.
I strongly doubt they are banning people running the content. There's literally thousands and thousands of people partaking in Foundry Grinds day in and day out. They would likely ban half their customer base many of which are people who've paid. They're going to need to take a very strong stance and possibly disable Foundry till they can work it out otherwise the "problem" will just continue to fester and get worse.
Everyone can play the way they want if they wanna cheapen their own experiences by using easy mode cheap XP tricks like the ones from the foundry then that's their own problem.
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cerebral79Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Can you provide us direct and official information on a ban taking place from this happening?
Last night a guild member was temp banned for creating a few easy mode maps. a dev even came into stream chat and then apaprently sent him pms in game asking politely to pull the maps down before he got the temp ban..
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purutzilMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
People SHOULD be able to level from foundry. The issue is the exploits that some people use to make it crazy experience rates. Some maps give far to little experience for the time spent while others give far too much. Its an issue of making it so foundry is an acceptable alternative to leveling (even better then normal quests is fine, though not to a huge degree) without making it about "AoEing a clustered group" or something like that.
GWF level 60 (Beholder) - The pains of leveling!
Cleric level 5X (Dragon) - Holy goblin so much easier!
Last night a guild member was temp banned for creating a few easy mode maps. a dev even came into stream chat and then apaprently sent him pms in game asking politely to pull the maps down before he got the temp ban..
SOrry, but I call bull**** on this.
A developer would never enter a voice chat and then ask someone to remove the foundry missions ... you want to know why ... THEY CAN REMOVE THEM THEMSELVES WITHOUT EVEN ASKING THE PERSON WHO MADE THEM!
I'm sorry, but until we receive a proper response from a proper member of PW/Cryptic staff people will not stop using them or creating them.
Hero of the North & Guardian of Neverwinter Founder.
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ranncoreMember, Moderators, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 2,508
edited May 2013
Power leveling thru the foundry isn't that big of a deal. people who exploit foundry XP will find themselves at 60
- unable to compete in PvP because their gear is all green/crappy
- looking exactly like everyone else because they didn't get any unique gear
- have no extra bags because they skipped all the pve quests (this is a major one)
- have no AD or glory because they skipped all the main story quests and can't compete in pvp
- have no rare professions resources because they didnt get any rewards from main story quests
- miss their opportunity for a free companion
need I go on? It's true, the exploiting Foundry is the easiest way to level. Is it really worth it?
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Well the entire game seems this way vs other mmos where your free to roam wherever
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Yeah...just not getting why hard core end game players are flocking to Neverwinter...we had some moron screaming over VC last night during normal Cloak tower of all things. I swear I think he had Tourettes syndrome and scrub and baddie was the focus words of the day.
The we got the speech about once the top guilds started "Raiding" (what those big five mans? :rolleyes:) They would force the devs to make the game like Vanilla Wow. It was scary and sad all at the same time and would have been laughable if it wasn't so **** pathetic.
I'll be glad when the end game locust leave quite frankly.
Not sure when you started playing but be real, when you run into a epic dungeon and the lvl 60 CW that i know didnt use the foundry runs out first and agros a ton of mobs (which you see 90 percent of the time) you cant tell me questing up to 60 helps with learning your class lol. Its the same argument i have seen in a 100 games. The people that dont want to or didnt do it always say this.
Yep, they are indeed banning for an EXPLOIT. If you're HAMSTER enough to know that something is not right, and continue to use it to your advantage you deserve the Ban. Or a roll back and ban the creator.
But people will always look for the easy way out. **** honestly, I can't even find myself playing this game for more then an hour w/o just logging out. The fact it's a cash grab, and just not all that fun really kill it. It's good for being a cash grab though, I think this is one of PWE's best Cash Grab games.
Want to know why Neverwinter is so laggy? Check out the "Latency" section in this thread.
As for you hipoli.... your mile long sig... gone... long live adblock+, please using your brain and shorten that sig it's totally idiotic, you wrote 1 line and your post is 40+ lines.
I'm sorry that my 250-pixel high signature offends you.
Want to know why Neverwinter is so laggy? Check out the "Latency" section in this thread.
Someone's $200 headstart got cheapened and he got his feelings hurt. Or as you kid's like to say "got his jimmies rustled".
It has more to do with how they enforce this in general. If people do it, and they dont enforce it, it sets a precident of "exploit early and often, before the cat is out of the bag and everyone knows about it".
So its not really how one person plays ruining the fun of another person - its more along the lines of how everyone will be expected to play simply to keep up with the status quo, if they dont put their foot down.
Exactly. A month down the line from now the game will be - do this exploitable foundry quests until 60. Then do your dungeons to get seals because they haven't figured out a way to exploit that yet. Then quit game 2 weeks later.
Playerbase plummets.
New game. Rinse and repeat.
Once the proper people behind the game confirm that this is not allowed, then it will stop and the foundry missions will disappear.
So people right now are using the tools and mechanics that game has to offer right now, so no one is in the wrong here. The developers provided the tools for this to happen ,so they have to official confirm their standing on this whole situation.
However this is happening and still does happen in STO and nothing from what I've seen has been changed.
This is of course my opinion on this matter.
60 Drow Trickster Rogue
11 Elf Control Wizard
Server: Beholder
Guild: Praetor Lupus
Guild Website: http://www.PraetorLupus.com
Hero of the North & Guardian of Neverwinter Founder.
I'm not someone who likes to make more than one character, and the other classes don't interest me much anyways. I can, and probably will, go back and do the quests but all the mobs will be way below my level and won't even aggro me most of the time. And then I don't even know if I can queue up for the skrimishes and dungeons I missed.
How a team full of game developers couldn't foresee happening is pretty ridiculous IMO.
60 Drow Trickster Rogue
11 Elf Control Wizard
Server: Beholder
Guild: Praetor Lupus
Guild Website: http://www.PraetorLupus.com
Hero of the North & Guardian of Neverwinter Founder.
Can you provide us direct and official information on a ban taking place from this happening?
60 Drow Trickster Rogue
11 Elf Control Wizard
Server: Beholder
Guild: Praetor Lupus
Guild Website: http://www.PraetorLupus.com
Hero of the North & Guardian of Neverwinter Founder.
You give people limitless tools to create content what did you expect them to do? Create balanced and well thought out maps? They're going to create super XP/Item farm maps that are designed to power level and enrich people. I mean hell any look at mods on games that allow mods you see the exact same thing with people creating mods that make people super overpowered/cheat.
Even if they managed to reign in the cheat maps the problem won't go away. People will dress it up and disguise it as something else. One could very easily create some "themed" dungeon, slap on some roleplaying paint like "The Clerics of Cyric are celebrating a Day of the Dark Sun and so therefore you were kidnapped and placed in this maze and have to murder and spill blood in Cyric's name to freedom!" and still have it basically amount to the same **** XP farm.
I strongly doubt they are banning people running the content. There's literally thousands and thousands of people partaking in Foundry Grinds day in and day out. They would likely ban half their customer base many of which are people who've paid. They're going to need to take a very strong stance and possibly disable Foundry till they can work it out otherwise the "problem" will just continue to fester and get worse.
Last night a guild member was temp banned for creating a few easy mode maps. a dev even came into stream chat and then apaprently sent him pms in game asking politely to pull the maps down before he got the temp ban..
Cleric level 5X (Dragon) - Holy goblin so much easier!
SOrry, but I call bull**** on this.
A developer would never enter a voice chat and then ask someone to remove the foundry missions ... you want to know why ... THEY CAN REMOVE THEM THEMSELVES WITHOUT EVEN ASKING THE PERSON WHO MADE THEM!
I'm sorry, but until we receive a proper response from a proper member of PW/Cryptic staff people will not stop using them or creating them.
60 Drow Trickster Rogue
11 Elf Control Wizard
Server: Beholder
Guild: Praetor Lupus
Guild Website: http://www.PraetorLupus.com
Hero of the North & Guardian of Neverwinter Founder.
- unable to compete in PvP because their gear is all green/crappy
- looking exactly like everyone else because they didn't get any unique gear
- have no extra bags because they skipped all the pve quests (this is a major one)
- have no AD or glory because they skipped all the main story quests and can't compete in pvp
- have no rare professions resources because they didnt get any rewards from main story quests
- miss their opportunity for a free companion
need I go on? It's true, the exploiting Foundry is the easiest way to level. Is it really worth it?