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classes need to be nerfed and buffed
dannyw22
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 31
when are you going to fix the classes out. this game has been out for over a week now and already we can see wizards can do so much cc they are unstoppable, rogues at lvl 60 can 1 shot my GWF, that's right I had a rogue 1 shot me today in pvp and im ****ing pissed about it... GWF lack dps as well they need a buff, clerics in pvp out heal every little dmg you do to anyone they put that blue shield thing on the ground and no one can be killed by it. clearly there is a problem with the classes balance but we have yet to see a nerf and buff patch ???
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Maybe we should first start with ideas of what can be done. Not just "ZOMG ROGUE 1SHOTS MY GWF NURRRFFFF!" "THIS CM CC'D ME FOR LIFE! NURRRFFFF"
Come up with ways maybe they can combat these issues, simply qq'ing about it won't solve anything.
If your GWF got 1-shot by a TR, then the TR clearly had VASTLY better gear than you.
PvP is not meant to be balanced for 1v1 fights. There's a reason we can only PvP in groups at the moment. Everything you listed off as an imbalance is what a class is supposed to bring to the table to support their teammates in PvP. If both sides are doing these "unfair" things, then you have a perfectly balanced 5v5 fight, don't you?
It's still "beta" so you are still technically testing the game. People like you seem to forget that.
I havnt forgot about its beta.... but it is OPEN BETA which means the game is really kinda out already they just need to add some things and tweak stuff too
No, No, Paper is fine, nerf rock, it one shots me and is unbalanced.
Thanks,
Scissors.
In all seriousness of this thread, I agree with a lot of people on here about you learning the dynamic of each class within the game.
If you are just throwing on purples and expecting not to take any damage or be controlled then yeah, your going to die, a lot.
As a GWF, you should be doing just like the Rogues almost, as your damage comes from the AoE you can do. You need to wait and assist on a target while protecting your back lines from Rogues.
Everyone that I have come across has said the PvP sucks in this game or is the worse and "WOW" had better and that is the ****ing problem right there. You all are so "one on One" thirsty that you have become handicap to the fact that this game is heavily team based in PvP and PvE (you don't see control wizards soloing main dungeons).
This game also does not need a resilence dynamic like every John Wayne WOW player has been calling for either (putting some classes over the top as far as surviving and dishing out damage). I feel if you can't make it work after so many people have told you that it is a team effort ("Your not wearing number "23" on your plate mail, cloth or leather"), you need to keep your *** out the PvP arena or learn to play.
-Kymos
And the Rogue could have had the full PvP epic set (which would fall under the "vastly better gear" category). The rogue is made to quickly eliminate single targets, and if that means 1 shotting them because their opponent has worse gear or little defense, then so be it.
Except 4th edition was mainly made to draw in people who play these sorts of games anyhow and be a better balanced game between classes. Not the same D&D a lot of us grew up with.
Always a good way to shrug off any intelligent discussion, that meme. If this is how they're balancing classes, they've already lost from a general pvp perspective. Not that I'm playing this for pvp, already playing other games that don't have to bend to preset class themes and rules so people don't whine when they actually get fixed.
But...
1.) Balance takes time, 1 week can't 'balance' things out properly.
2.) Putting your post in that format plays against providing constructive feedback. Give better reasons then TR 1 shotting a GWF as being a reason to nerf.
So yes, they are OP (and I hate to use that word but it is quite one sided there) but its no reason to make illiterate style posts ranting about it without giving points defining what makes them in need of being nerfed down.
Cleric level 5X (Dragon) - Holy goblin so much easier!
Unsure of the exact name of the building, but it's the one with the training dummies. The man behind the counter sells PvP gear in the second tab at the top.
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and this is not your normal D&D game so get over your self
"Trade and Blade"
Before coming to have a hissy fit man about PvP you need to do your home work in regards to it below level 60 is rough with CW and TR (especially if your under geared).
You need to stack enhancements (As it has procs and the best stats for surviving a volley from TR).
You need to have on PvP armor (As it has the best stats for surviving TR damage).
You need to have PvP weapons (As it has the best damage and stats for surviving).
You need PvP Pots (60 PvP is heavily TR and CW populated).
If you do all those things (stack the hell out of hit points and defense as a tank) you will have enough hit points to keep you from dying to TR first volley of their daily in PvP, thus giving you time enough to hopefully have your team mates come help you out.
What I have noticed on my Rogue (he is 60 in PvP gear) is now their really is no balanced PvP with other classes at 60 because that's all you see in PvP (TR and CW). Even in full PvP gear with stacked hit points I get killed in about 5 seconds because you got 3 CW and 2 Rogue teams tearing you a new one.
Be aware, at 60 people start to focus you and that is where a good guardian comes into place with that block (Clerics healing them and GWF protecting the back lines).
On a note, as a CW and a Rogue, I love to see GWF running into the fray first as they are easy to control and a lot easier to burn down than Guardians.
-Kymos
Ok so let me get this straight..... Every class is OP cept GWF and GF (seeing you didn't mention them) EVERY OTHER class is op? Perhaps it is you and NOT the other classes. You people will QQ about anything and want everything handed to you.
What is the phrase? Ah, yes: "Less QQ, more pew pew."
I swear, the behavior of some PvP give the entire subset the worst reputation imaginable. The game just came out and you've already proven yourself too ignorant of what the game is and has to know about such basic things as PvP gear ... I'd hate to find out what else you simply have no clue about.
Tell us again why they should listen to you, given the givens?
There is no such thing as a free lunch. If you aren't paying for it, you aren't the customer; you are the product being sold.
Dollar, dollar, bill, yo. Cash rules everything around you and me.
Maybe that is balance and you are experiencing the role of player skill.
I'm a level 15 Trickster Rogue... But I'm afraid to even enter PVP. How do you win? x.x
Have patience this game is new, and has alot of growth coming, learn to walk and learn the game first, instead of trying to run. It isnt a classic MMO style game its D&D style.
Have a coke and a smile and help put suggestions or opinions out there and not complain about a week old game....
adapt, learn, ask if you dont know.
Crybabies gotta love em!! Happy Gaming all!
First off, they won't lose a lot of customers. Pvper's are a very small minority of the gaming industry. Second, the real mistake would be nerfing Pve content for Pvp balance. This is a Pve game. You don't like it? Then leave. Stop trying to force every **** game you play into some Pvp dominated E-Sport. You, and people like you, are the reason games die...
There are a lot of issues with various aspects of the game that they will be working on as well as issues with different classes and it will take time to sort them out.
I said before when someone was crying about the very first patch not having balance fixes....bug fixes come first...class balance comes after that.