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sdnever
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I see a few people hating on the prices of zen and I believe they are not considering the future.
Sorta like a lot of people crying about GWF being underpowered for a bunch of levels. It might be true that in the short term, the Zen prices suck just like the GWF, but you need to think about the long term effects.
I believe people are not taking into account some fundamental observations
1. You can buy zen with AD
2. AD is constantly being created for free. (dailies and praying). As people grind, i suspect Zen will drop in value and more items in the zen shop will become obtainable even for most f2p players.
3. AD is created from item drops. If you get that lucky blue drop, you can easily auction it for AD and then turn it into zen. True someone had to pay cash for it to win the auction, but if that is entertaining for them, then what do you care?
In other words, over time, by playing the game you are making it easier to get items from the Zen store.
You probably can't get everything you want cheap right now. It may take 6 months or more per item. But look at it his way, if they gave you everything for free, you'd have nothing to work for and you'd leave anyhow.
Finally, I think we as the players should champion the Zen prices. High prices will cause players to take more time to get that one shiny item. In that time they will create more AD for the rest of us. They will allow the game to continue being well populated and thus allow the developers more time to create more fun content.
I could be wrong and I welcome your opinions as long as they are based on playing this game for 6+months or years.
TL;DR Paying to get bored of an mmo in a few weeks is dumb. You need something to work towards.
Sorta like a lot of people crying about GWF being underpowered for a bunch of levels. It might be true that in the short term, the Zen prices suck just like the GWF, but you need to think about the long term effects.
I believe people are not taking into account some fundamental observations
1. You can buy zen with AD
2. AD is constantly being created for free. (dailies and praying). As people grind, i suspect Zen will drop in value and more items in the zen shop will become obtainable even for most f2p players.
3. AD is created from item drops. If you get that lucky blue drop, you can easily auction it for AD and then turn it into zen. True someone had to pay cash for it to win the auction, but if that is entertaining for them, then what do you care?
In other words, over time, by playing the game you are making it easier to get items from the Zen store.
You probably can't get everything you want cheap right now. It may take 6 months or more per item. But look at it his way, if they gave you everything for free, you'd have nothing to work for and you'd leave anyhow.
Finally, I think we as the players should champion the Zen prices. High prices will cause players to take more time to get that one shiny item. In that time they will create more AD for the rest of us. They will allow the game to continue being well populated and thus allow the developers more time to create more fun content.
I could be wrong and I welcome your opinions as long as they are based on playing this game for 6+months or years.
TL;DR Paying to get bored of an mmo in a few weeks is dumb. You need something to work towards.
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Or you could, you know, not.
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Won't cost near that when I finally need it. There will be a functioning economy. I didn't plow through to 60 so I can sit and wait so it won't be a big deal.
Grace, Tiefling Devoted Cleric
"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are. Then leave the rest to Batman."
many who play this game will buy more AD than sell. The only reason this isn't so right now is because of the founder's packs and how they flood the economy with AD.
And if you are going to tell me that they won't buy it because you can make 24000 AD a day.. you are wrong. First, its hard to make more than 14-16, and second the cost of things goes WAY up as you level. 24k is a small amount for a level 60.
that prices on items is to small because you want the game to last is flawed also because PWE/Cryptic isn't hiring more people to work on the game; no matter how much money you gave them from OB on its just going to be pocketed.
The amount of money they are making now, and 12 months from now will be fine for keeping the game up and running with occasional patches, the price is just p2w... and guess what, it works.
Your argument is flawed because you claim to know how cryptic runs it's company from the inside.
The op is merely speculating.
You on the other hand think you know everything.
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2. AD is constantly being created for free. (dailies and praying). As people grind, i suspect Zen will drop in value and more items in the zen shop will become obtainable even for most f2p players.
that is such a **** reason.... it's not really a reason
AD can be exchanged for zen
but the Zen needs to come from a different player...
and since AD is so easily farmed.
Zen for AD is going to become a joke.
as in 2 million AD for a Zen type of joke.
enjoy!
Yeah except for the fact that all the other games Cryptic runs it has ended up at around 1z = 200 of the special currency. I am sure you can explain why Neverwinter alone would end up differently right?
In addition to the part where it's already at it's maximum price - the max/min for the exchange is hard-coded. A zen can't cost more than 500 AD and can't cost less than 50.
(Last few months in Star Trek Online, the zen rate has been 90-130. With four characters doing things for dilithium, I managed to get around 6-7k zen. I've got 4k sitting in my game account now, waiting for the Romulan expansion.)
There are currently ONE way to get Zen into the system. Players will BUY zen and sell them for AD. You cannot convert ZEN into dollars (it is a one way. It is not like Entropia or 2nd life where you can convert In-game money to real cash)
So over time, people will accumulate AD (not everyone would go for the shiny like me. some might be more practical and buy QoL items like extra character slot (if they need it) or other stuff.
STO does this pretty well. There are players in the game (at least they claim which is possible) that they DID NOT spend a single penny but able to get ship packs (which are 5000 zen) and modules (500z each) current exchange rate is 130 dil = 1 z. The refine rate is 8k dilithium a day compare to 24k AD a day.
So I notice that you CANNOT even transfer Zen from one game to another once you move it to that system (in my testing STO to NWN or vice versa)
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There is no FEE for dungeons . no FEE for PvP q's . no FEE to get past level 10 . no FEE to go to any map .
This game is TOTALY FREE TO PLAY . You don't have to buy anything . Not even a token purchase to join a guild or send mails .
If you follow the story line you get a bunch of stuff sold in the zen store free . Companion , bag of holding x2 , teleport scrolls x2 and enchant combiner ... I got all of them by level 36 .
Once the thrill of this basic concept goes away, this game's economy will sink and so will this game (like every other similar model from PW that came before this).
The people who continue to support the game will be the ones who still care about looking cooler than everyone else in-game, which pretty much already delineated itself by whoever bought the founder's pack. When the next pack with unique pixel bonuses come out, the process will repeat itself and people will pay blindly to look different.
I'd be very surprised to see anyone pay the full $700 when the "deal" goes away. If they do, more power to them.
I like the way you said it better. It is all there, but if you don't want to wait, yea. there is a the money option.
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