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thedrakkos
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Or, Another Paywall.
This reminds me of the leveling tokens from DDO.
Free to play, but you need to pay to get your loot?
Only available with the use of our Store Currency?
Smacks of shenanigans, thanks much.
Also, saying you can trade an In-Game Currency for a Store Currency like this is some sort of a solution is ridiculous; someone still had to pay real-world currency for that item, even though it was shuffled off to the next guy, the price was still paid. This also completely overlooks the fact that a readily-accessible In-Game Currency is going to depreciate wildly against the Store Currency; let's all watch as the Zen coin "skyrockets" compared to the Astral Diamond, because the Astral Diamond is going to be WoW gold in short order.
I won't be buying any keys, I'm not giving you another dollar, locking content behind a paywall is insulting after you tout how freely-accessible you are, particularly if the locked content is in the inventory of a Founder.
Apparently you can't even destroy the worthless things. It is to laugh.
How long til we're swimming in the bloody things, and nobody is willing to buy keys?
This reminds me of the leveling tokens from DDO.
Free to play, but you need to pay to get your loot?
Only available with the use of our Store Currency?
Smacks of shenanigans, thanks much.
Also, saying you can trade an In-Game Currency for a Store Currency like this is some sort of a solution is ridiculous; someone still had to pay real-world currency for that item, even though it was shuffled off to the next guy, the price was still paid. This also completely overlooks the fact that a readily-accessible In-Game Currency is going to depreciate wildly against the Store Currency; let's all watch as the Zen coin "skyrockets" compared to the Astral Diamond, because the Astral Diamond is going to be WoW gold in short order.
I won't be buying any keys, I'm not giving you another dollar, locking content behind a paywall is insulting after you tout how freely-accessible you are, particularly if the locked content is in the inventory of a Founder.
Apparently you can't even destroy the worthless things. It is to laugh.
How long til we're swimming in the bloody things, and nobody is willing to buy keys?
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As long as there are people that in last 2 days bought 200 keys? Read other topics. Some folks already opened hundreds of lockboxes each.
Really don't get why people care about those boxes. There is NOTHING in them that's worth anything. Is it annoying that you can't destroy them? Yes, it is, but you can sell them on the AH and make a little AD on the side with them.
I respect your opinion but dont spread lies
If you dont wanna have the lockboxes you just can discard them like any other item
PW Games played: Startrek Online, War of the Immortals, Forsaken World, Battle of the immortals
PW Games i didnt try: TorchLight 2, JadeDynasty, Rusty Hearths, Ether Saga Odyssey, PW1
Look at my reply above
PW Games played: Startrek Online, War of the Immortals, Forsaken World, Battle of the immortals
PW Games i didnt try: TorchLight 2, JadeDynasty, Rusty Hearths, Ether Saga Odyssey, PW1
Like i said before, You can perfectly destroy the lockboxes and if you cant than thats a bug that needs to be sorted out
PW Games played: Startrek Online, War of the Immortals, Forsaken World, Battle of the immortals
PW Games i didnt try: TorchLight 2, JadeDynasty, Rusty Hearths, Ether Saga Odyssey, PW1
One....you do not "need" anything in box to be competitive in this game. TWO.....your statement about currency is bogus. If histofy is any indication we will actually see devaluation of zen relative toAD. In short some people will buy zen....some will grind AD.....some will sit on forums and whine that a company actually is looking to make a profit from their product.
It Bugged if you try to you get the message 'do you want to discard' but it don't delete it the only way to get rid is to sell on AH or open it
How the heck does "you can't level any further until you get Leveling Token" compare at all to "hey, you got some extra random loot, if you want to spend the AD or Zen to open it"?
To copy someone I saw recently, that's not comparing apples to oranges, that's comparing apples to pork fried rice.
"say nothing".... no, i paid for this game, i'll say what i want, its called "feedback", or "constructive criticism".
"lots of people have bought keys"... well that totally demonstrates everything is fine, just like the US housing market.
"you lie"... i said "apparently", i didn't say "i have tested this exhaustively, and have demonstrated this to be true"...
to make this fair, they can either a) have the keys drop as well, as rarely as the lockboxes, and have both in the store for the same price or b) create a turnin npc that will take the worthless junk off our hands, granting the item intrinsic value, which won't be depreciated to death.
i'm sure there's other solutions for this problem, but just because you're personally fine with it doesn't change anything.
paywall.
paywalls drive off customers. both are examples thereof, wherein you're required to shell out to access shiny parts of the game that are carrotted in front of you.
you compared different examples of food, i compared different examples of paywalls.
hopefully that's clearer. thanks for chiming in.
funny, PoE is doing fine without paywalls. DDO, not so much. let's see how that trend continues.
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Courtesy, Integrity, Fair Play.
You paid for bonus items and early access. The game itself is free-to-play. Also, your criticism wasn't very constructive (my opinion, of course).
Really? You're comparing people buying video game items to buying homes? Some people have money to spend and some don't. Again, the items do not give you anything that you need to progress in the game. If people have the money to spend, who cares? Those people help to support games like this so other people can play the game without paying a dime.
Now this is constructive. I wouldn't mind something like this, myself.
Just remember, the game is free-to-play and they need to make money somehow. The lockboxes can give some cool things to people who want to pay the money for them. There is no "paywall" in this game as none of the items are needed to play.
And I didn't give GGG $60 for their game, yet I can access all the loot and functions just fine.
Hence my comments.
As for the Founder goodies, that's nice, but it doesn't forswear my commentary. The game itself clearly has paywalls, which you then confuse with free-to-play, but is more akin to "freemium" at best.
I'm comparing housing markets to in-game currency; "lots" was said, just because "lots" are doing it is no indicator that things are fine, the US economy has been imploding since 2008, while "lots" were doing it. It still on a race for the bottom, and "lots" are involved as we speak. In this case, "lots" will be using in-game mechanisms to convert one form of currency to another, except there's a finite amount of the Store Currency, and a near-infinite amount of "free and readily-available" - read, "soon to be worthless" - In-Game Currency. If you can't see how that one will pan out, you also likely believe the banks will save us all.
Of course it was constructive; thanks for noticing. I want this game to succeed, if for no other reasons than its a) Dungeons and Dragons, theoretically, which I love, b) increasing my Guild recruitment bottom line and c) I paid $60 for this thing to not-be-a-turkey.
Again, Path of Exile has hundreds of $1000 Founders, and they don't use paywalls. Seems paywalls may not be required, after all?
www.guildmedieval.com
Courtesy, Integrity, Fair Play.
You do realize this game is free to download and free to play right? It will remain this way at launch too. You can experience the entire game without spending a dime. You know this right? BUT, if you want some extra cool stuff then you have to pay. I mean they have to get some money some how in order to pay off this game and continue to make more content.
That being said, if you don't want to pay to open those boxes, then don't. No one is forcing you.
Grace, Tiefling Devoted Cleric
"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are. Then leave the rest to Batman."
you could say the same about content in ddo; you don't need that content to level, its optional. you can just get by with these few quests that are available to you, and be satisfied with that.
how's that working out for ddo again?
yes, nobody is forcing me to pay for the optional carrot; please address the steadily-depreciating currency, and the fact we can't dispose of the garbage.
Also, I don't believe I said anything about "unfair". I said "ridiculous", "paywall", "scam", "gimmick". Almost forgot, "carrot"; an empty reward, a false incentive, a clever trick for a dumb animal. Just in case someone missed the context.
www.guildmedieval.com
Courtesy, Integrity, Fair Play.
It's free to play I get that... But they need to make money to keep the game running. You don't seem to get that bit.
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of course, we'll see if GGG falls flat on their face, or not. I very much doubt it.
Ok kids, this was fun, and I've said my peace pretty clearly, without any better arguments from the opposition than "they need money" and "its optional, and as such irrelevant".
www.guildmedieval.com
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You didn't have any valid argument. You just had an unsupported opinion and opinion does not equal valid argument.
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Here is the thing about that, hold on to them, because like other PW games those specific lockboxes will no longer drop or be able to be bought for AD. There may be less demand for them here than in STO, where the ships in them are more functional than simple mounts, but they won't drop forever.
I've also got to wonder when you played DDO last, because i don't think they've had leveling tokens for a while now.
Again, your comparisons make NO SENSE.
If you don't buy a quest pack in DDO, you can't do those quests.
If you don't get a training token in DDO, your character can't gain any more levels. (edit: and tfangel's post above points out that I haven't logged played much in quite a while, either.
What quests unlocks or roadblocks are in the Nightmare Lockbox again? Oh, right. None. Everything in there is something you can get in game (enchantments, companions, AD, mounts, profession materials), just with a different skin or slightly different stats. And are also auctionable. As are the keys needed to unlock the boxes. Not one single thing in the lockbox will keep you from playing any of the game content. You'll just have a regular mount skin instead of a flaming one.
Last time I logged in, seemed like they were doing well. Plenty of players around, had to patch the game to add some new content they'd added since the last time I'd logged in, etc.
Oh god I'm buried...the injustice of it all. :rolleyes:
Also out of that ten I own a Nightmare inferno, the firehawk and some really hep blue gear. So Eleven bucks for two of the most sought after things in the game Oh the greed...theeeee greeeeed!!!
Seeing as how they got many times over the players they had when it was sub only, i'd say pretty good, plus in an interview they said that the average player spent an average of $50 a month, i'd say they are doing fine again. Plus, you seem to not have played a lot, as you can easily get enough points to open new content by simply running the free ones, watching for sales and promotions, etc. It's also a seven year old game, and before going free to play had so few players it was close to shutting down, had long stretches between new content, and now has two expansions and new packs ever few months.
Gamer thinks he is entitled to every bit of gear in the game for free and right away lol.
Grow up kid
He is experiencing a bug that is not allowing him to drop his box, which is fine, it will eventually be fixed. No item is intended to ever enter your inventory without any way of removing it. Best option while the bug is still present is to put it in the auction house for what its actually worth, so it actually sells!
The fact is, the game developers need to make money, that money is whats used to fix bugs (such as not being able to drop the box), add new content, and keep the servers up so we can all play. Free to play games have stores where you can buy different types of currency to purchase special items, as is what they are doing in this game. However, i do believe that some companies take it too far, and this game is an instance of that. They have not taken it dramatically too far, but only slightly too far (imo).
Here's an example of the currency inflation he was talking about, that i've experienced with these boxes:
I purchased 5 bucks in Zen, and completed a daily quest and received 1000 AD. By the time i was finished buying keys and boxes, and opening them (which they seem super bugged btw, unless im misreading it, it sounds like your going to get a bunch of items and possibly a rare one but i only ever get a single rare item, then it tells me about these bars i believe im supposed to get but i dont). When i was finished, i had 0 Zen and 400 or 500 AD (cant remember for sure). To purchase another key i need 125 Zen, so I looked in the exchange, it was at its cheapest of 465 AD to purchase ONE Zen!! To get that 125 Zen i needed, i would have to have 58,125 AD. That means at its worst, 59 days of those daily quests, and at its best, 15 days of the longer daily quests........... to open one box..... for one item..... thats barely better than anything i already have, if its even better! That, i'm sure, is part of the economic crash he's talking about. Now i've only played this game for a day (level 12 or 13), so there may be many more ways to earn that 58k AD that i'm completely oblivious too.
My 2 cents, cashed.. C ya!
Myself, as long as I can earn the things that is in the cash shop. I will do it. However, if I can't get the most out of my char because I don't pay? Well I will enjoy watching this game burn to the ground.
That is the simple truth.