From the tests i'm having right now. even at my level, the difference is about 400-600 damage difference, the problem with this is, it requires more work for it. and NOT to miss, a miss while doing weapons master strike = damage lost, you can't miss while using sure strike but you can with WMS by not aiming right or the clone doesn't pop up right hitting the right mob. Going to do more testing, and yes, you are right. There's SO much stuff going on, I have to read the logs SLOWLY and write it all down
Edit: you also can't spam it, like, example
WMS, Roar(for all the adds), Flourish, WMS(keep doing this till 2 mobs left), Revival strike, WMS, sure strike(4 hits), sure strike (3 hits), WMS, sure strike(4 hits), sure strike(4 hits)
This is the dps lost if you do this
WMS, Roar(for all the adds), Flourish, WMS(keep doing this till 2 mobs left), Revival strike, WMS, sure strike(4 hits), sure strike (3 hits), WMS, WMS, sure strike(4 hits), sure strike(4 hits)
That extra WMS can make a drop of dps if spamming the skill, With unbreakable will, you can get a higher rotation
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From the tests i'm having right now. even at my level, the difference is about 400-600 damage difference, the problem with this is, it requires more work for it. and NOT to miss, a miss while doing weapons master strike = damage lost, you can't miss while using sure strike but you can with WMS by not aiming right or the clone doesn't pop up right hitting the right mob. Going to do more testing, and yes, you are right. There's SO much stuff going on, I have to read the logs SLOWLY and write it all down
Edit: you also can't spam it, like, example
WMS, Roar(for all the adds), Flourish, WMS(keep doing this till 2 mobs left), Revival strike, WMS, sure strike(4 hits), sure strike (3 hits), WMS, sure strike(4 hits), sure strike(4 hits)
This is the dps lost if you do this
WMS, Roar(for all the adds), Flourish, WMS(keep doing this till 2 mobs left), Revival strike, WMS, sure strike(4 hits), sure strike (3 hits), WMS, WMS, sure strike(4 hits), sure strike(4 hits)
That extra WMS can make a drop of dps if spamming the skill, With unbreakable will, you can get a higher rotation
Keep in mind in heroics there is RARELY a instance where you would fight just one monster. Rogues and CW blow them up anyway. I primarily use WMS, even if there are two strong monsters, but on bosses in the beginning they have no adds. What I do there is Use my 3 encounters and sure strike to build my determination faster since he's marked. Faster attack means faster determination. Then when the first wave of adds come out I go psycho AoE pretty much the rest of the fight.
i read in this and another guide to use sure strike on single targets instead of WMS.
i call BS my damage was less - not to mention you need to be 'locked in' for 4 full strikes to get the proper damage out of it and you cant afford that in most boss fights and dungeons because you need the mobility.
the only place you would trade sure strike out of wicked strike is on bosses to increase your single target dps on them. thats not your job any way and you should be peeling and doing heavy aoe dps on trash mobs.
sure strike is useless when you get wms
You're being extremely close minded. There is no best build or best configuration. Without testing saying something like this is pointless and borderline troll.
Keep in mind in heroics there is RARELY a instance where you would fight just one monster. Rogues and CW blow them up anyway. I primarily use WMS, even if there are two strong monsters, but on bosses in the beginning they have no adds. What I do there is Use my 3 encounters and sure strike to build my determination faster since he's marked. Faster attack means faster determination. Then when the first wave of adds come out I go psycho AoE pretty much the rest of the fight.
You DO got a point there with faster attack, faster Determination. wait, isn't the determination rate gain based off how much damage you do from your attacks?
Pinkamena Diane Pie - Great Warrior Fighter
One, two, Pinkie's coming for you, three, four, you better lock your door, five, six, grab your crucifix, seven, eight, gonna stay up late, nine, ten, never party again.
I believe its increased by "doing damage' not how much damage. It seems to be a flat rate increase per attack. Thats something that's really hard to test, I tried attacking with 2 different weapons, a epic and a blue and it increased at the same rate.
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rojorMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 178Bounty Hunter
edited May 2013
Thanks for creating this thread! I was a bit dubious about re-specing and i must admit on paper my current build looked better but i was constantly getting 3rd and 4th on the dps meter, I'm now a solid second to rogues who still flog me and that's with lots of minion pack dungeons but hey ill take one victory at a time.
Much respect for sharing the awesomeness!
Battle Awareness is bugged along with armor spec, neither of the two are giving the bonus like it says. GREAT....
Edit: nevermind, I saw the power increase after I used slam. so its just armor spec that's not doing what it needs to do.
Pinkamena Diane Pie - Great Warrior Fighter
One, two, Pinkie's coming for you, three, four, you better lock your door, five, six, grab your crucifix, seven, eight, gonna stay up late, nine, ten, never party again.
Battle Awareness is bugged along with armor spec, neither of the two are giving the bonus like it says. GREAT....
Edit: nevermind, I saw the power increase after I used slam. so its just armor spec that's not doing what it needs to do.
I did hear about that bug, I'm looking forward to when it is fixed. Our damage is going to go way up. I'll likely keep my same build as my damage is still competitive to others. Thank you for confirming it. What server do you play on?
For max damage yes, personally I use Str and Vit because I like the extra health. I also use a few offensive runes that do extra damage based on my max health.
It evens out at excactly 61 points and has every skill he recommends for leveling and highend PVE/PVP at rank 3.
Obviously there can be optimizations made in skill choices resulting to easier leveling process.
The picking order is another huge point here.
Anyway, this might spare some of you their initial respecc on level 60.
PS: Please beare with my english, it is almost 3 am here in germany
Also, there seems to be a typo (is it a typo?) in his post, PVE daily says "smash", wiki tooltips say there is no ability called smash in the english tooltips... guess it should say "slam" as the PVP section says...
EDIT: added link... yeah, its late...
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ryhsMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 18Arc User
edited May 2013
what is that legacy path/weapon your talking about? And where can I get it?
You have to sign up for the founder packs. 60 dollar one gives you a low level weapon thats good until 20. The 200 dollar one gives you that + a good epic weapon and enchant at 60
What do you think's best putting points in Roar or Daring shout?
Its preference. Roar will get you Determination faster than anything else, but there is a knockback hurting melee DPS for a few seconds.
Daring shout INCREASES everyone's damage by reducing the monsters resistance, increases YOUR damage by even more for marking the target and makes you more durable. Also if you spec for daring shout you do 15% more against targets a GF marks as well.
why are u skilling deep gash? okay it sounds nice 15% of your total power as bleed dmg - with 4100power it ticks with ~110 its nothing
the tooltip is totaly wrong : 4100/100=41*15=615 d,g/sec if you believe the tooltip
4100 power + slam 25% = 5100 power = 735 Dmg/Sec + 15% for hitting marked targets = 800 Dmg/sec x 3-10 monsters
Basically its ADDED damage for no added effort. Yes it doesn't tick for 800 because you're not including the monster's resistance but its FREE damage. DoT also has a chance to proc Steel Blitz for even more damage. If you don't take it what would you put points into in its place?
Seems like you're missing some Heoric points there. Or are you just spending 19 in Heoric and saving the rest until 30 when Paragon starts?
I recommend at least 1 point in everything so you can try everything and get the feel for it. Who knows when certain crappy abilities might be good after a update?
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khraktiMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 1Arc User
edited May 2013
facestomping with a legacy weapon. Not everyone is a founder so I'm sure a GWF with a legacy weapon will be pretty good starting out and probably horrid w/o one.
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killerkonnaMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
C'mon and slam, welcome to the jam!
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darkstarmjpMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Just got to lvl 60 and did my first epic dungeon pleased with my DPS so far.
As you can see I have the weapon from the heroic pack and two pvp epics rest of my gear is awful.
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asaviosMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 25Arc User
edited May 2013
As of yesterdays patch Daring Shout isn't viable any more only builds a tiny bit of Determination now. Like 2-3% of max Determination with 10+ monsters around. Try it. This sucks...
As of yesterdays patch Daring Shout isn't viable any more only builds a tiny bit of Determination now. Like 2-3% of max Determination with 10+ monsters around. Try it. This sucks...
And I just used 3 points in it That sucks!
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Edit: you also can't spam it, like, example
WMS, Roar(for all the adds), Flourish, WMS(keep doing this till 2 mobs left), Revival strike, WMS, sure strike(4 hits), sure strike (3 hits), WMS, sure strike(4 hits), sure strike(4 hits)
This is the dps lost if you do this
WMS, Roar(for all the adds), Flourish, WMS(keep doing this till 2 mobs left), Revival strike, WMS, sure strike(4 hits), sure strike (3 hits), WMS, WMS, sure strike(4 hits), sure strike(4 hits)
That extra WMS can make a drop of dps if spamming the skill, With unbreakable will, you can get a higher rotation
Keep in mind in heroics there is RARELY a instance where you would fight just one monster. Rogues and CW blow them up anyway. I primarily use WMS, even if there are two strong monsters, but on bosses in the beginning they have no adds. What I do there is Use my 3 encounters and sure strike to build my determination faster since he's marked. Faster attack means faster determination. Then when the first wave of adds come out I go psycho AoE pretty much the rest of the fight.
You DO got a point there with faster attack, faster Determination. wait, isn't the determination rate gain based off how much damage you do from your attacks?
Much respect for sharing the awesomeness!
Battle Awareness is bugged along with armor spec, neither of the two are giving the bonus like it says. GREAT....
Edit: nevermind, I saw the power increase after I used slam. so its just armor spec that's not doing what it needs to do.
For max damage yes, personally I use Str and Vit because I like the extra health. I also use a few offensive runes that do extra damage based on my max health.
http://reyva.com/resources/neverwinter-powers-feat-simulator.9/#bqHaI1fTUpHhaJZC6fWLrPDg6qcB2SRP
It evens out at excactly 61 points and has every skill he recommends for leveling and highend PVE/PVP at rank 3.
Obviously there can be optimizations made in skill choices resulting to easier leveling process.
The picking order is another huge point here.
Anyway, this might spare some of you their initial respecc on level 60.
PS: Please beare with my english, it is almost 3 am here in germany
Also, there seems to be a typo (is it a typo?) in his post, PVE daily says "smash", wiki tooltips say there is no ability called smash in the english tooltips... guess it should say "slam" as the PVP section says...
EDIT: added link... yeah, its late...
the tooltip is totaly wrong : 4100/100=41*15=615 d,g/sec if you believe the tooltip
What does "Constitution" do and what is it for?
Smash - All you ever need and should use in any situation.
Crescendo - Really pretty, but that's about it."
Is Smash a typo for Slam?
Its preference. Roar will get you Determination faster than anything else, but there is a knockback hurting melee DPS for a few seconds.
Daring shout INCREASES everyone's damage by reducing the monsters resistance, increases YOUR damage by even more for marking the target and makes you more durable. Also if you spec for daring shout you do 15% more against targets a GF marks as well.
Yes its slam. I figured everyone would know what I was talking about so I never bothered fixing it. Its fixed for you now.
4100 power + slam 25% = 5100 power = 735 Dmg/Sec + 15% for hitting marked targets = 800 Dmg/sec x 3-10 monsters
Basically its ADDED damage for no added effort. Yes it doesn't tick for 800 because you're not including the monster's resistance but its FREE damage. DoT also has a chance to proc Steel Blitz for even more damage. If you don't take it what would you put points into in its place?
It seems like at level 20 you automatically get level 3 of all previous power skills
I recommend at least 1 point in everything so you can try everything and get the feel for it. Who knows when certain crappy abilities might be good after a update?
As you can see I have the weapon from the heroic pack and two pvp epics rest of my gear is awful.
And I just used 3 points in it
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