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zolimos
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Just curious, I haven't seen any discussion about tipping the creators of foundry content. Any insight on the how this process works would be welcome.
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Thanks for the response. It's interesting that YOU replied. You are on of the foundry authors I was planning to check out. I'll give you an honest rating and who knows... maybe a tip!
Anyway.. My point is I like to tip for player created content, it looks like hard work to make, so Thanks n have a tip!
Tip limits seem abit strange. I think I saw there is a 3 tip limit per day, and retipping a author is also limited? I might have read that in the tip window but cant recall. If someone could clarify that would be cool.
I have been running some daily qualified foundries.. Sometimes I want a new fresh one, sometimes I want something I know so I can see how my toon/skill has progressed, sometimes you just want that last one for the daily to be quick.. So anyway I am now 60 and the daily quest amount of foundries is 4.. yet I can only tip 3 times...
Tipping should have a limit of 4 to match the daily limit.. and retipping should be allowed for previously tipped quests, if there has a been a sufficient amount of time elapsed between runs.. daily, but not 24 hours perhaps.
Thoughts..?
It'd prevent people from just making alts and tipping themselves, but allow people to show regular support.
I don't see the point. people will not tip a poorly made foundry mission. I know that some authors do actually make them as a way of getting some AD but there will be no reward if you don't put effort into it, and people that are just there for the diamonds and not for quality quests will make horrible foundries.
I can see what you mean. If it were different then people could get ridiculous amounts of AD. Say a Foundry quest has had 13,000 players and 40% decide to tip.
That's 5200 people tipping. Let's break it down with estimates.
2500 peeps tip at 500 = 1,250,000
2500 peeps tip at 250 = 625,000
200 peeps tip at 100 = 20,000
(these numbers are an example sheesh)
The total is 1,895,000 AD. That's just taking into a single quest. Some authors have multiple quest lines with each quest played by 7,000-15,000 people.
That's a LOT of AD. Imagine how bad it would be if tipping were quest by quest or the author limit was daily/weekly
That's not even close to the definition of a Ponzi scheme. Maybe you meant something else? Actually I'm not even sure what you could have meant. How can you "con" someone into tipping you? Why would people tip unless they enjoyed the quest?
The real reason tipping is limited is to prevent you from using the Foundry to trade diamonds. This forces you to use the AH which taxes the transaction and so acts as a sink.
I am with xen1912, I don't see your point. The author tip limit doesn't really limit what your suggesting.. unless there is another limit I am not aware of.
A. you are not forced to tip.
B. No one is going to tip worthless work.
C. If 100 people ran a quest they could all tip afaik.
The author limit just stops 1 player from retipping, not every new player from doing so.
It does not. You seem to think "ponzi scheme" means any kind of financial scam. This is incorrect. A Ponzi scheme is a very specific kind of con that does not in any way resemble anything you typed.
You also have not stated a logical case in which anyone could be "scammed" into tipping an author. People tip if they enjoyed the quest and are kind enough to say so with a handful of diamonds, otherwise they do not.
Not at all, assuming your imagination is functioning properly. But since you can't use it that way anyway it's a moot point.
Well I can only lead you to information; I can't make you drink it.
So 1.8 million AD for a single foundry quest going off your numbers. I hadn't thought deeply into the numbers. Seems like a lot.. say compared to a Epic piece of armour or a luck gained lootbox mount.
What is a foundry worth then.. 1.8 does seem like a lot, but could be made from one dungeon if you sold the gear..
Over how many weeks would it take to build upto these type of numbers.. does revising the quest reset the limits?
Perhaps retip amounts could be set to max 100AD only. I am hesitant to say weekly as I am likely to run something twice in a week then not for a month.
Does the community feel that foundry quests should be a dribble style source of AD income.. What would a foundry quest make over a year, would it be from first time or repeat players..
I do not see how anyone could con people into tipping them, though, and a Ponzi scheme? Really?
If someone says "tip me or I am taking the mission down" then I say "shut up and take it down, then". Seriously. I am supposed to get all bent out of shape and worried that I might not be able to play some random foundry mission? That's just silly.
Even if I ran through it I would still not be forced to tip, and there is no way that the creator can somehow try and coerce me to tip them.
Sounds good at first, but its not.
1 Zen = 1 cent.
1 Zen = 400 astral diamonds on the exchange today.
1000,000/400 = 2500 pennies. So a crowd the size of a large stadium full of people managed to scrape together 25 bucks
Most foundry quests will be doing well if they clear 1000 runs,which at this rate earns the author about 25 cents worth of astral diamonds. :cool:
No, "ponzi scheme" doesn't make any sense whatsoever in this context. The guy who keeps using that term doesn't understand what it means.
In a Ponzi scheme you have waves or tiers of investors to whom you promise great returns. You take the money they invested in your fake enterprise and give some of it back, tricking them into thinking they're getting a return. "See?" you say. "It really works!" You then use this "credibility" to attract more investors and/or larger investments. Meanwhile of course you're just pocketing the vast majority of the money, occasionally doling out more "returns" to keep people from getting suspicious and to attract even more investments.
Bernie Madoff did this and accumulated billions. But no one could do this with the Foundry because there's no such thing as a return on a tip. It literally doesn't make any sense, at all, in any conceivable way, to use the term "ponzi scheme" in this context. The term has a definition which has nothing to do with tipping Foundry authors.
The creator doesn't know who ran their content, unless tips are marked from individual players, they may be actually. SO I guess you could see the African Prince email scam scenarios appearing.
Having a line in quest dialogue saying "tip or this will be removed" would result in a ToS violation no?
Thank you for injecting some actual information into this discussion. There is no way foundry authors are making a million+ per day. Congrats on making a popular foundry. People are frugal with their tips (and rightfully so-it is their diamonds) and if people like your foundry, you deserve the tips. Simple as that.
I wonder how many of those accidentally closed the feedback/tip window prematurely by moving.
Well they would still have to go to the effort of making a foundry mission, that is worthy of a tip.. and under the current system, you idea of scamming is currently available.. doesn't seem too rampant.