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Menzoberranzan Renegade

dudek3dudek3 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Is anyone else a bit upset at how Perfect World/Cryptic went about advertising the 'race'? In the picture, as-well as all of the videos, you see the Renegade as a rather lighter skinned character and in this picture, from the website, with baby blue eyes. It seems like they used a tan Wood Elf to do the ad for the Renegade due to the baby blue eyes. I don't have a total problem with this but I am quite disappointed that they have falsely advertised the 'race'.
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If I'm wrong, feel free to let me know. These are just my thoughts on the situation, I'll still be gladly playing the game.
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  • astaziaastazia Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 51
    edited April 2013
    That's so low on my list of issues with how they handled Drow that I have to laugh at this topic. Sorry. The only reason I'm even playing this game is because I had zero interest in making a Drow in the first place, if I had wanted to make one at all I would have boycott the game.
  • hanskisaragihanskisaragi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    No id give it away if i could.
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  • myrmeenlhalmyrmeenlhal Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    dudek3 wrote: »
    Is anyone else a bit upset at how Perfect World/Cryptic went about advertising the 'race'? In the picture, as-well as all of the videos, you see the Renegade as a rather lighter skinned character and in this picture, from the website, with baby blue eyes. It seems like they used a tan Wood Elf to do the ad for the Renegade due to the baby blue eyes. I don't have a total problem with this but I am quite disappointed that they have falsely advertised the 'race'.

    It depends on why you're objecting, why you're calling it false advertising.

    Drow in game can have skin that light, though the closet to blue you can get is a variety of shades of purple. Wood Elves can have dark skin, but not quite that shade - they have a lot more red in their skin tone... However, they can have blue eyes as in the picture.

    You can choose pretty dark skin tones for Drow, though. Both of mine have the darkest colour available.
  • silentiltmsilentiltm Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 234 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2013
    dudek3 wrote: »
    Is anyone else a bit upset...see the Renegade as a rather lighter skinned character and in this picture, from the website, with baby blue eyes.

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  • moodaymooday Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 54
    edited April 2013
    Would they refund someone who said they wanted their money back because they don't want to play a black elf? Just curious :P
  • dudek3dudek3 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    myrmeenlhal wrote: »
    It depends on why you're objecting, why you're calling it false advertising.

    Drow in game can have skin that light, though the closet to blue you can get is a variety of shades of purple. Wood Elves can have dark skin, but not quite that shade - they have a lot more red in their skin tone... However, they can have blue eyes as in the picture.

    You can choose pretty dark skin tones for Drow, though. Both of mine have the darkest colour available.

    I mean, it really isn't a huge issue for me, I've just been a bit curious of it, you know? I went with a light brownish skin tone and wasn't planning to use the baby blue for the eyes but I wouldn't mind having the option like they show in the ads.
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  • silentiltmsilentiltm Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 234 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2013
    mooday wrote: »
    Would they refund someone who said they wanted their money back because they don't want to play a black elf? Just curious :P

    See my previous post :P hah
  • savagedeaconsavagedeacon Member Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    mooday wrote: »
    Would they refund someone who said they wanted their money back because they don't want to play a black elf? Just curious :P
    I don't think so. the founder pack has a lot of other items beside giving you the chance to play a drow, and you are not forced to play one you can create a char of any other race if you don't like drows.
  • myrmeenlhalmyrmeenlhal Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    dudek3 wrote: »
    I mean, it really isn't a huge issue for me, I've just been a bit curious of it, you know? I went with a light brownish skin tone and wasn't planning to use the baby blue for the eyes but I wouldn't mind having the option like they show in the ads.

    Lore establishes drow as all having glossy jet black skin, and most of them have crimson eyes. They're also known to have white, lilac, and amber colours for eyes too.

    As of the end of 3rd Edition, the drow race split into two due to the "redemption" of a portion of the race. The redeemed drow are called Dark Elves and probably have similar colouring to what you're going for there. Drow retain their original colouring.

    I have no idea what lore Cryptic are adhering too in this game, because the very fact that we can play non-Lolthite Drow (without them being specifically mentioned as Corellon and other god worshipping Dark Elves) at all is kind of contrary to lore.

    (Please note, I am not a 4th edition expert. I rather loathed what they did to the setting, so if there's been any changes to the status quo as I've mentioned it, I'm sorry.)
  • moonhammermoonhammer Member Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The Menzoberranzan Renegade is based on Drizzt a drow elf hero from the Forgotten Realm books written by RA Salvatore. Drizzt is a drow with purple eyes, has a magical panther companion and wields 2 magical scimitars, one gives him immunity to fire damage and other is just really sharp and glows blue.

    I haven't yet played the game I have an aversion for paying for f2p games, sue me, so I wouldn't know if they have got him right or not.
  • tilviustilvius Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 82
    edited April 2013
    I'm happy with my Drow. I was kinda hoping for a unque background choice and special dieties for us...
  • kinsaedakinsaeda Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Doesn't bother me, and they might have had that option at some point. Over the course of beta most of the races went through changes in the character creator, their coloring especially. At one point I made a half orc woman with flame red hair and bright blue eyes and now I can't. This being an mmo with the customary warning 'may appear different at launch' its not false advertising at all. That hair and skin color are available, the only thing that isn't is the eye color.
    myrmeenlhal wrote: »
    (Please note, I am not a 4th edition expert. I rather loathed what they did to the setting, so if there's been any changes to the status quo as I've mentioned it, I'm sorry.)

    You should probably read up on the lore since this is a 4th edition game. I'm guessing you have the best of intentions so this isn't a slam, but if you want to talk about what's right for a race/class/deity etc you'd have to use the edition the game is based on to be accurate.
  • enderlin50enderlin50 Member Posts: 993 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Huh I just remembered that that Menzo Renegage had blue eyes during the trailer and you can't choose blue eyes on your Drow.
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  • myrmeenlhalmyrmeenlhal Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    kinsaeda wrote: »
    You should probably read up on the lore since this is a 4th edition game. I'm guessing you have the best of intentions so this isn't a slam, but if you want to talk about what's right for a race/class/deity etc you'd have to use the edition the game is based on to be accurate.

    I reiterated what was the status quo with 4th Edition (though it was just those Drow who could trace their line back through the Miyeritar who became Dark Elves - but I'm pretty sure Lolth lost a lot of her presence on the surface and most surface non-Miyeritar Drow returned to the underdark at her command). I just hadn't heard of any more shake ups since then.

    This is all moot anyway. 5th Edition (DnD Next) is due out later this year, and I hear whispers of another RSE (called "the Sundering", which is confusing because the Realms already had a sundering far in the past, but this is definitely a new one)... I have a feeling that we'll see some (maybe even a lot) of what was done to the Realms for 4th Edition reversed (at the very least Mystra will be back - given that she is back as of the end of the current Elminster novel Elminster Enraged).
  • bpphantombpphantom Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    myrmeenlhal wrote: »
    Lore establishes drow as all having glossy jet black skin, and most of them have crimson eyes. They're also known to have white, lilac, and amber colours for eyes too.

    As of the end of 3rd Edition, the drow race split into two due to the "redemption" of a portion of the race. The redeemed drow are called Dark Elves and probably have similar colouring to what you're going for there. Drow retain their original colouring.

    I have no idea what lore Cryptic are adhering too in this game, because the very fact that we can play non-Lolthite Drow (without them being specifically mentioned as Corellon and other god worshipping Dark Elves) at all is kind of contrary to lore.

    (Please note, I am not a 4th edition expert. I rather loathed what they did to the setting, so if there's been any changes to the status quo as I've mentioned it, I'm sorry.)

    Except for all the terrible cover art for novels that make them freakin' purple or mocha-elves. As for 4th edition, drow are just another race, like shardminds, revenants and pixies. Most drow still worship Lolth though.
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  • alphastrikealphastrike Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
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    Drow stand just shy of human height and have slender,
    athletic builds. Physically, they resemble eladrin,
    with wiry builds, pleasing features, and midnight
    black skin that has a blue cast. Their eyes are fiery
    red, lavender, or blue. All drow have white hair, which
    most keep long and decorate with intricate pins and webbing wrought from precious metals. Aside from
    their tresses and eyebrows, drow have little facial hair,
    though males sometimes grow long sideburns or tufts
    of wispy hair on their cheeks and chins.
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  • iluvatarrulesiluvatarrules Member Posts: 172 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2013
    This game is so NON D&D that caring about things like that is a bit funny really:).I will just casually enjoy my self with that one
  • lanessar13lanessar13 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    myrmeenlhal wrote: »
    As of the end of 3rd Edition, the drow race split into two due to the "redemption" of a portion of the race. The redeemed drow are called Dark Elves and probably have similar colouring to what you're going for there. Drow retain their original colouring.

    (Please note, I am not a 4th edition expert. I rather loathed what they did to the setting, so if there's been any changes to the status quo as I've mentioned it, I'm sorry.)

    The "dark elves" per canon 4E FR are statistically no different than Eladrin, even have the same racials. The "elf" subraces (while many) only have three categories:

    Drow Elf
    - Drow
    Wood Elf
    - Wild elves
    - Green elves
    - several other "subraces" mentioned in 3ED, such as aquatic elves, and now scrapped.
    Eladrin ("High" elves)
    - Gray, Silver, Moon Elf
    - Gold, High, Sun Elf
    - Star Elves
    - Avariel
    - A number of other "offshoots" mentioned in 3ED and now scrapped.

    Fey'ri only exist as a homebrew (and a pretty balanced one) in 4ED, so "officially", I believe that they've been Disavowed and relegated to "tiefling".
  • dudek3dudek3 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Does anyone know why Cryptic did what they did in the ads? Was it a scheme to get more money or?
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  • optikalshadowoptikalshadow Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    my 4e books still describe drow as black skinned elves. so im not sure what rock they pulled their lore out of.
  • martianmanrapermartianmanraper Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 61
    edited April 2013
    I posted about this a few times. It's a complete mockery of the race, but luckily, like astazia I don't care about making a Drow character. But, I DO kind of care about getting them right, and Cryptic just about pooed the bed on Drow. They're pretty much tan wood elves...

    Fanboys chime in and say HAMSTER like "Nope! Drow can have all kinds of skin colors now1 just like us!!" No..Drow have ebon black skin. That's all there is to it. I have no idea what Cryptic is doing with their art team on this one. Did they even try models with deep black skin? Probably not. Obviously not a huge deal, but I'm of the belief that if you're going to do something, DO IT. I'm glad I didn't pay $200 for this farce of a Drow race.
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  • championchains03championchains03 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I doubt they showed a toon with blue eyes simply to "scheme to get more money". The video was made prior to beta. Many things change in a beta. If you paid $200 for the sole purpose of having a toon with blue eyes...I don't even know how to finish this sentence ::throws up hands:: I'm gonna get back to watching my 80k+ queue.

    Edit: though I do agree the art team should have stuck to lore appearance-wise. So many ashy Drow running around. There shouldn't be Drow in this game at all. How many friendly and accepted Drow exist in Faerun? Two? Drizzt Do'Urden and Tos'un Armgo? All others are kill on sight. Maybe something changed in 4th edition, but it's stupid either way.
  • stormdrag0nstormdrag0n Member Posts: 3,222 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    championchains03 wrote: »
    I doubt they showed a toon with blue eyes simply to "scheme to get more money"..

    According to the trolls on this forum the log in screen having the colors red and black, is a scheme to get more money. :rolleyes:
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  • dudek3dudek3 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Like I had said, it really is whatever, was just curious to why it had happened. You'd think once they took the 'feature' of those colors that they would change the picture of them for the Hero Of The North pack.
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