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dannyw22
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dunno if its just me but Ive played this class in 3rd and 4th beta and now in open beta, they still lack dps but take huge amounts of dmg. they really need a dmg buff, the crappy minions are killing me even if I get like 4 on me they take a lot of my health, at one point I had to buy a cleric healer with gold because I couldn't kill a boss he did so much dmg to me. in pvp the gwf is useless they don't deal any dmg at all compared to the rogue and wizard, rogue burns me down I don't even deal quarter of his health and the wizard just cc's me constantly even if I did get close im pushed away and im dead.
so we lack in pve and pvp, in dungeons no matter how much I smash the mobs faces in I seem to be the lowest dps out of everyone with rogue top and wiz second.
so we lack in pve and pvp, in dungeons no matter how much I smash the mobs faces in I seem to be the lowest dps out of everyone with rogue top and wiz second.
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For example I pulled this from another thread and will quote it here (I forgot who originally posted it):
Fix GWF : for lvl 39 atleast
4/5 unstoppable action (optional 5/5 if you want to sacrifice crit)
3/3 disciple of str
3/3 endless assault
5/5 steely defense
3/3 devestating critical
2/3 weapon mastery ( can go 1/3 if you want 4/5 unstoppable)
5/5 great weapon focus
5/5 deep gash
Max out steel blitz and steadfast determination
use Weapon master strike / sure strike with roar/flourish/restoring strike
Always always use Slam its amazing
Stack power>>defense>>>crit in that order then profit and watch rogues cry.
wait I don't understand wots this 5/5 stuff ??? max lvl is 3 ?? am I missin somethin here ?
Its feats he is showing, not upgraded powers. After the list he tells you what to max out in terms of powers.
ohhh thanks
anytime tater tot.
I really should check the DPS numbers to see at what level TRs or even CR do more DPS than level 30 GWFs. I don't think it is quite this bad, but you never can be certain.......
no offense, but at level 5, most enemies die within couple hits, it's hardly a fair comparison. Personally, I like my GWF, last night, before server went down, I was #1 in PvP Battle, granted, I was a little bit surprised myself, but I don't think GWF is that bad, I guess it just a personal preference.
What does defense get you? Why not Armor pen?
Also I'm questing and leveling really slow because of my low dps and big amount of damage I get.
When I compare results with my mates on PVP or Skirmish I'm the last in DPS done and the first on damage taken.
I think that this class need some buff because there's something really broken.
What are you concentrating on with your gear? If its not power thats that problem.
Are you soloing? Sounds like it. I was playing last night with a GF and hardly took any damage. Get behind the groups, they won't hit you sprint out of the way when you see a red circle......
Hell, when it comes to damage result, when I was #2, we had a GF rank #1 while there are TR and Wiz in the group with equal or higher level.
I was never a potion abuser either, and I don't use cleric, maybe I should start leveling her up.
So I'm quiet confused about all the dislikes, sure they can use a buff here and there, but I have seen people
saying drop the GWF from the group to don't make a GWF, etc, I feel like I'm missing something.
Which exact quest or instance do people having trouble with? Perhaps it's the playstyle?
I don't know, but either way, I'm having a blast with GWF and had no trouble or whatsoever with grouping.
But I won't say no to some buffs either
I think its a combination of playstyle and gear selection. I've had to change my play style a bit playing one. I usually liked just standing and bashing, I can't do that with the GWF. I like going for the bosses, I don't do that with the GWF, at least not until I'm done with the adds.
I haven't been in any dungeons yet this go round but I did in BW3. A Rogue may out damage me but he won't beat me in total kills.......
Also solo or with a group makes a big difference too.
Gear seems to make a big difference I'm finding. I was concentrating on stacking crit with my gear. I did a bit of reading and I now have stacked power and armor pen and its made a difference.
If you like playing the GWF then keep doing so. It's not that they can't level or are not viable, it's just below level 30 they are generally speaking worse at every role then all the other classes. It's not until after 30 that you start getting access to the abilities that will help even the playing field.
As far as your group experience, in the instance you mentioned, I don't know what level this was occurring at, but generally speaking your CW and TR were most likely terrible at playing them. If the GF is coming in first for damage, that really says everything you need to know. Understand that the tank shouldn't be doing the top damage in a group.
Yeah, i agree, it was a one time thing. I was like wow, the Tank is really good, lol. It was a fun run, we finished it smoothly and got what we need :P
30 mobs in seconds, that's, err, unbelievable.
Then again I guess trolls (with just two posts both saying how much better they are at GWF than anyone else) get a HUGE club.......
Or they have used a fully upgraded daily power.
Fully upgraded daily power at level 18 as the OP claimed he was? That is quite a trick
just soloed cloak tower too, was it quick? no, but **** if i didnt think a rogue would be too squishy to make it work.
What will make you even sadder is that it's more indicative of the next 25-30 levels depending on how you spec and gear. Enjoy!
Eh, I think instead of waiting another 10 levels for the class to work, I'll just play something else.
PvE on the other hand seems to be harder, no way I can take aggression off from CW or DC. Even if open up the fight, enemies just leave me standing there and run to fight every one else... : )
Power for damage, Recovery for replenishing your abilities and Defense for staying alive.
Also apparently the Sentinel line is broken but the post said to choose the Destroyer chain once you have it available (which is what i will be doing as i'm only lvl 23 at the moment).
I have taken a healer as my companion and with the above spec setup etc, i haven't used a healing potion in almost 5 lvls (going to sell a bunch of them in AH hopefully for a few extra coin (saving coin for a mount which is 5 Gold).
For my feats, i have chosen anything that gives me Damage first, then surviving but cannot remember off top of my head exactly which ones they are.
With the above setup now, i jump to a group, press Q for my sweep slowing shot and then right mouse click n hold till it fills and release then, and 99% of time all minions etc except bosses die, then i just deal with whatever may have survived quickly. Because i use recovery as a spec on equipment etc too, i find that my TAB option fills up about 3-5 times for a boss and my SLAM (which is awesome) fills twice.
Hopefully this helps someone somehow, and if you see a character running around called Howie_Hero (that's me by the way) will be happy for you to watch me battle or join you if you need help.
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