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Foundry Trick: Trigger Timer
zovya
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I have a room where the player has to perform an action quickly or 6 bosses spawn on him. So I needed to make a timer. The only thing I could think of is to create a sand hourglass. But using mobs and guards.
In a secret, inaccessible room, I place guards on one side of a wall, and mobs on the other. The player triggers the removal of the wall, when the mob encounter is defeated, the boss spawns are triggered.
You can adjust the time base on the number of mob vs guards. Just thought I would share.
In a secret, inaccessible room, I place guards on one side of a wall, and mobs on the other. The player triggers the removal of the wall, when the mob encounter is defeated, the boss spawns are triggered.
You can adjust the time base on the number of mob vs guards. Just thought I would share.
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- Nymbleshanks
Could you do something similar with some sort of ground AoE damage? So you "cook" the mob and its heal is the timer?
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Above I've set up an alleyway with invisible walls off the main area of the map. The guards I'm using are ranged (Easy) and when the trigger is set a one way patrol (melee) appears and wanders into the "Kill Zone" where the guards can attack him over the lowered invisible wall, but he can't get to them or attack them, so just stand there and gets killed. When he dies the next mob appears and patrols into the kill zone.
The beauty with this is that:
To get advanced you're better of not having a patrol (I was using one just so I could watch them, as this adds unnecessary time to your ticker, instead the mobs can just appear in the kill zone when triggered).
Also, you could have different speed of ticks, when a mob appears have extra guards appear for that tick, then they disappear when that mob is (set of mobs) is killed.
I've put in the height on the y axis for the walls so people dont need to mess around. Just try and get your guards as far away from the kill zone as possible as the melee guys have a ranged melee (que?!).
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Create MOB, patrol into spellplague, when MOB dies, spawn next MOB, rinse, repeat.
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This is a guess, I haven't tested it and with the server down I won't get to till after maintenance but.. won't they just stand at the edge like they do with traps? I mean that was the original exploit that lead to people being banned and the change to the TOS for the Foundry. You can't "modify" the mob AI which would be set to avoid environmental damage. Now if it does work to avoid this you could create the "death zone" and just spawn them in it. They slowly die from the effect and it would be more consistent than a scaling encounter where you still have to worry about the Combat RNG <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> things up.
It's an ingenious work around but it sure would be nice if they just gave us monologue controls, timers, and a bit of scripting so that we didn't need to go through all of this.
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1) Guards would indeed pull aggro.
2) Yospeck's setup above precludes the need as the guards are inaccessible to the mob and both are inaccessible to the player.
Sounds good.
NW-DSEGBOHCC & NW-DKSTDEHFF @lunchtimenow
That would work up until, if and/or when they implement mob evade.
As for spawning a mob into a deathzone (spellplague cracks surrounded by walls for instance), that's exactly one of the exploits Cryptic forbids.
There will always be ways around it, like raised platforms, shooting over a large gap where there's no way they can reach you as these are fundamental mechanics to the game
Evade is when a mob cannot attack back, it goes into evade mode making them untargetable, therefore undefeatable.
Though I've had no problem with hard guards defeating waves of easy minions.
- I tried spawning mobs on traps. That's still fairly slow.
- I tried dropping them from a height. That kind of works. The highest I could get to work was 300. I used the weakest mobs I could find. They took about 80% damage, which is pretty good. I dropped them onto a trap to finish them off.
Neither of these is really fast enough for what I want though.
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I know it's forbidden as "an exploit" where the PC would gain XP, but if they've "fixed" that exploit by zeroing XP from mobs killed by the environment (as they have mobs killed by guards), then that might simplify things by being able to spawn them directly over a spellplague filled room. Might allow for a bit finer grained, or more consistent timings.
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Hence the fact it MUST be inaccessible to the player and unable to reward XP. It would be nice to hear from Cryptic on the issue as it is really due to their inability to provide us timers and scripting that we have to resort to such things.
I think we all know Evade is coming at some point and will totally destroy about half the foundry missions currently published or more. But you are certainly right that this only works up to the point that evade is added at which point the better solution might be to spawn HARD guards, Easy Mobs, despawn both at completion of the mob encounter and spawn fresh for each additional "tick".
Not sure how traps vs mobs scale tho.
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In the Foundry traps vs players don't even scale right. The same trap in 'Live' will do 9 or 10 times the damage it does in the foundry at the higher levels. No I think in the end yospeck and zovya have come up with the most effective methods UNTIL we are given scripting tools to make timers.