kimonagiMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited April 2013
They have 4th edition FR lore and the environement is rendered using 4th edition artstyle other then that they have "carte blanche" on what direction they want to take the game to. They can progress the lore and even include any change in the setting with content. The only thing that will stay fixed is their thematic naming of character class archetypes.
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kimonagiMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Also, no I never played Matrix, but that sounds really cool.
The game was launched but had next to no content, the content was to be provided by live actors that were role-playing characters from the movies with live events sending players to compete with other factions to "win" the event. Not long after launch Monolith got sold to Sony online and they removed live events and actors that were paid to entertain us and provide us with live content. The role playing community created LESIG which was a player initiative to create stories and live events.
Having live events like we had in that game would be a nice addition to NW and could bridge between changes in Lore and story.
It's interesting to note that WotC has advertisements for NW on their front page. One could infer that they have as much financial interest in NW's success as anyone else and as such would support whatever changes were necessary to keep the project moving in a profitable direction. Of course I could be completely off base but it seems a reasonable deduction.
Honestly, this game isn't substantially less D&D under the hood than DDO is; DDO just tells you things happened a certain way when they really didn't. It'll freely tell you you rolled a 17, when it was more like 0.8517023839 or something.
If D&D Next is a huge seller and WotC and PWE decide to change to match it, it'd probably just mean a few cosmetic changes in terms, maybe a reshuffle of powers. Keep in mind also that 4e has been out for 7 years, it could be years until 5e starts coming out, and it will be further years before a majority of compaigns shift. 4e is going to live a bit longer than 3e did. Also, the underlying socio-economic factors that lead to the major changes in 4e haven't changed. If anything, it's MORE true now than ever that people come into this hobby from MMORPGs, instead of the other way around; many of the things that drastically differ between 3e and 4e will likely be retained in 5e. If you're hoping 5e is going to be more like a 3.75e, you're probably going to be disappointed.
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kimonagiMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited April 2013
This thread as little to do with edition wars its more about how will changes in the FR lore will affect NW in the years to come in terms of lore and story.
We already have a 3.75 edition and things seems to be going the right way for the people publishing it.
Edit: People have been complaining for a long time that NW doesnt use a direct tranlastion of the PnP rules. When looking forward its not that bad a decision since they are not tied to a ruleset and can change the game and move it forward in any direction they want because of that.
Also if i were to take a pulse on how well Wizards of the coast is doing, i would point out that in my geographical region that has 3 major hobby stores, all three of them have tossed 4th edition material in a 25% discount metal bin, one of those shops is just across the street and i go there on a daily basis.
NWO is so far from 4th edition, this would be a non-issue in any case. Other than the names of the powers being the same, there is almost nothing related to 4th edition in NWO.
I'm not saying this as a criticism, just an observation.
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anthornblueMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited March 2014
A few things to bear in mind...
1. NWO's mechanical ties to D&D are very slight. There is some name-dropping and an attempt to emulate the feeling of the classes, but that is about it. If we are talking about a mechanical change from 4e to 5e, all that is needed is changing which names are dropped, as class feeling tends not to change too drastically between editions (Or at least such changes are rarely mandatory). To be honest, even trying to do that would be pointless, as what NWO got from D&D was the lore and setting, not the ruleset.
2. A gradual advance of the timeline is perfectly possible. Module 4 (or 5, or 6?) could be about Mystra's rebirth and have a zone themed around that and some conflicts surrounding that occurence. Why not? Maybe Module 10 could have Sundering elements surrounding it. Bear in mind, there is no need to redesign the entire game!
Why do I say such a vast redesign is not necessary? Because it is fine for the game's beginner content (tutorial, first zones, etc.) to be set at a given date in the continuity, and the end-game to be set at another. This is already in the game. The storyline of the Chasm happens 'after' the Plague Tower series, whether you play them in that order or not. The Dread Ring content happens after Neverdeath, whether you played that or not. Having a Sundering-themed campaign that happens 'after' all the content currently in the game would not be any weirder.
Example 1 (Already in-game): A given player skips Plague Tower, goes to the end of the game's content including the Chasm where he meets this Dorothea lady who somehow acts like she knows him. Later, at level 60 and bored, he goes back and does Plague Tower - seeing a non-spellplagued Linkletter and wife, after having already seen them at the bottom of the Chasm.
Example 2 (Theoretical): A player does Sundering-themed content, involved Mystra's rebirth, at a "Dweomerheart Reborn" zone, and later goes into the Chasm to find lore about Mystra being dead.
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The game was launched but had next to no content, the content was to be provided by live actors that were role-playing characters from the movies with live events sending players to compete with other factions to "win" the event. Not long after launch Monolith got sold to Sony online and they removed live events and actors that were paid to entertain us and provide us with live content. The role playing community created LESIG which was a player initiative to create stories and live events.
Having live events like we had in that game would be a nice addition to NW and could bridge between changes in Lore and story.
If D&D Next is a huge seller and WotC and PWE decide to change to match it, it'd probably just mean a few cosmetic changes in terms, maybe a reshuffle of powers. Keep in mind also that 4e has been out for 7 years, it could be years until 5e starts coming out, and it will be further years before a majority of compaigns shift. 4e is going to live a bit longer than 3e did. Also, the underlying socio-economic factors that lead to the major changes in 4e haven't changed. If anything, it's MORE true now than ever that people come into this hobby from MMORPGs, instead of the other way around; many of the things that drastically differ between 3e and 4e will likely be retained in 5e. If you're hoping 5e is going to be more like a 3.75e, you're probably going to be disappointed.
We already have a 3.75 edition and things seems to be going the right way for the people publishing it.
Edit: People have been complaining for a long time that NW doesnt use a direct tranlastion of the PnP rules. When looking forward its not that bad a decision since they are not tied to a ruleset and can change the game and move it forward in any direction they want because of that.
Also if i were to take a pulse on how well Wizards of the coast is doing, i would point out that in my geographical region that has 3 major hobby stores, all three of them have tossed 4th edition material in a 25% discount metal bin, one of those shops is just across the street and i go there on a daily basis.
I'm not saying this as a criticism, just an observation.
1. NWO's mechanical ties to D&D are very slight. There is some name-dropping and an attempt to emulate the feeling of the classes, but that is about it. If we are talking about a mechanical change from 4e to 5e, all that is needed is changing which names are dropped, as class feeling tends not to change too drastically between editions (Or at least such changes are rarely mandatory). To be honest, even trying to do that would be pointless, as what NWO got from D&D was the lore and setting, not the ruleset.
2. A gradual advance of the timeline is perfectly possible. Module 4 (or 5, or 6?) could be about Mystra's rebirth and have a zone themed around that and some conflicts surrounding that occurence. Why not? Maybe Module 10 could have Sundering elements surrounding it. Bear in mind, there is no need to redesign the entire game!
Why do I say such a vast redesign is not necessary? Because it is fine for the game's beginner content (tutorial, first zones, etc.) to be set at a given date in the continuity, and the end-game to be set at another. This is already in the game. The storyline of the Chasm happens 'after' the Plague Tower series, whether you play them in that order or not. The Dread Ring content happens after Neverdeath, whether you played that or not. Having a Sundering-themed campaign that happens 'after' all the content currently in the game would not be any weirder.
Example 1 (Already in-game): A given player skips Plague Tower, goes to the end of the game's content including the Chasm where he meets this Dorothea lady who somehow acts like she knows him. Later, at level 60 and bored, he goes back and does Plague Tower - seeing a non-spellplagued Linkletter and wife, after having already seen them at the bottom of the Chasm.
Example 2 (Theoretical): A player does Sundering-themed content, involved Mystra's rebirth, at a "Dweomerheart Reborn" zone, and later goes into the Chasm to find lore about Mystra being dead.
I see no difference between the two.
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