Upgrading Found Packs?

azureeternal

Hi, all, I was just wondering if anyone knows whether or not PWE will be allowing folks to upgrade Founder Packs? I'd really like to plunk down the 200 bones on the Hero of the North pack, but that just seems completely irresponsible, having not played the game yet. Thus, I'm wondering if it'll be possible to upgrade to the next pack at some point?

azrokor

Is this possible to do? Can I upgrade?

ambisinisterr

The packs are separate entities.

Most of the rewards will stack between the two packs so there is no reason you can't buy both (and some have) but unfortunately the packs are not upgradeable. If you buy the Guardian and Decide you want to get the Hero you must pay the full amount.


Now don't kill the messenger! *runs and hides*

I completely understand why you would be hesitant to pay $200 up front. It's an incredible leap of faith but the packs will be available through launch so you can wait if you wish. It's an incredibly fun game though from personal experience and I know I plan to play for years.
If you read most people agree, the game is incredibly fun. The issue comes in on opinions of whether it stayed true to D&D (which it did IMO) and some issues with purchases (which should all be resolved now)

Sadly that's all the information I can give. Check around Youtube, there's bound to be a ton of information on the game now which can help you decide on the purchase more than I ever can in words!

venomdemme

Look how many topics there are for upgrades/refund. The community has spoken. We want an upgrade option. Stop trying to scam us. Give us our money back then. Because the stuff in the guardian pack is useless if we buy the hero pack. There no reason to buy anything else. Guardian and starter pack are a waste of money.

bedroomjesus

venomdemme wrote: »

Look how many topics there are for upgrades/refund. The community has spoken. We want an upgrade option. Stop trying to scam us. Give us our money back then. Because the stuff in the guardian pack is useless if we buy the hero pack. There no reason to buy anything else. Guardian and starter pack are a waste of money.

Those are beautiful opinions you have there. Thanks for sharing. Technically, EVERYTHING is a waste of money. It just depends on who you ask. Perspective as it were.

However, upgrading doesn't make much sense with their current setup. Seeing as Guardian gets 2 exclusive items that Hero doesn't, I don't see how Guardian is "useless" if you buy the Hero pack. Plus, some of the items that are in both packs STACK. You sure you know what a scam is?

starkaos

Refunds might be possible, but that is a billing support issue. Therefore, PWE has control over it not Cryptic.

purpleorbes

I don't know how they could upgrade you since the packs do not have the same things, Were you able to use anything from your packs during the 1st beta? If so and people have used items I can understand why they cant ,but if your not even able to use anything from the pack yet then I don't know why they couldn't just refund your $$ and then you purchase the Hero pack. Unless there afraid of people not actually using the refund towards the Heroes Pack.
I don't know, Im just a user here not a Mod. Just my ideas here.
See, I have some decent ideas here. I should get paid!

starkaos

From what I understand, no matter what you use in beta won't affect the live game. If you used 750,000 Astral Diamonds in beta, then you still have 750,000 Astral Diamonds when the game goes live. So there is no reason why a refund can't be applied. However trying for a refund after the game goes live will have support and most players just laugh at the people asking for them.

ganiries

So there is no reason why a refund can't be applied.

I've seen so many topics on this and the response is always a firm negative. I don't want to upgrade, but not giving the people the freedom to do so is silly. Why not? You have our money. We paid.

Our accounts our "flagged" or "marked". Why aren't the mechanics in place to upgrade to the Hero's pack, from the Guardian's pack. It's not difficult programming, which lends me to believe that the decision not to offer upgrades is based solely on people buying multiple packs. Or perhaps the structure of the account-flagging (whatever terminology) is compromised when purchases two or more of the 3 founder options.

More consumer freedom = good. More corporate freedom = usually bad, in my opinion.

purpleorbes

I don't think they plan on people buying both packs. That's just crazy. It took me a hell of a long time just to get the money for the Hero of the North pack. I cant imagine very many people at all that have the heroes of the north pack that spent $200 to shell out even more money on a pack that's not as good as the one they already paid for.
Im not taking sides here but why didbt you get the Heroes pack to begin with? Hells, I coulda bought the guardian pack a while ago but didn't because I wanted the Heroes pack, so I saved up the cash until I got the Heroes pack to avoid this problem right here. If there was already a option in place a while ago to upgrade, then yes I would've got the Guardian pack first and then upgrade to the Heroes later but since that wasn't a option back then, why would you expect them to have that option now? Don't get me wrong the option to upgrade would be very nice and they should make that an option, and I imagine they probably will, but it would probably be after the game actually launches.

keirkin

azureeternal wrote: »

Hi, all, I was just wondering if anyone knows whether or not PWE will be allowing folks to upgrade Founder Packs? I'd really like to plunk down the 200 bones on the Hero of the North pack, but that just seems completely irresponsible, having not played the game yet. Thus, I'm wondering if it'll be possible to upgrade to the next pack at some point?

Just file a ticket with PWE for a refund and then buy the other pack. I have seen others say they have gotten refunds so it might be possible.

fazemladaiya

purpleorbes wrote: »

I don't think they plan on people buying both packs. That's just crazy. It took me a hell of a long time just to get the money for the Hero of the North pack. I cant imagine very many people at all that have the heroes of the north pack that spent $200 to shell out even more money on a pack that's not as good as the one they already paid for.

You'd be surprised. I am seeing more and more posts on these forums from folks who bought both packs. I have the Hero pack and am also about to purchase the Guardian pack because I want to add the Dire Wolf and Armored Horse to my collection. Also, some items stack between both packs so it's still a win situation. 60 bucks for a pet and a mount to add to what I already have is no different than the 50 bucks we pay for the ships in STO (bundle three-ship packs). I have all of those as well and they are well worth it to those of us who are "crazy" enough to buy them

And I think like you do on the saving bit. I saved up and got the Hero pack first, and am now inching toward the easier purchases XD

slowshield

me too.., I am tempted in so many ways to keep buying. things we do with our money Then again, I attribute this to the developers who have worked hard on the game and the effort they've put in to make this a great game for us gamers. So cryptic/perfectworld, please do share the loot with your developers, give them a fat bonus and a pat on their back!

tinypyro

I am very tempted to ask for a refund and upgrade to Hero. The things that give me pause though are:

1. I want my armored horse and dire wolf and don't really want to shell out $260
2. Considering the debacle with the Drow, I have zero faith that both packs won't be tampered with again.
3. I need to see an accurate cash shop so I can decide how much value there really is on 750k diamonds. It may simply be more cost efficient to buy the things I want. Near as I can tell, the only things in the HotN package that we won't be able to buy from the shop are the Renegade Drow backround, Panther, and spider mount.

bedroomjesus

tinypyro wrote: »

I am very tempted to ask for a refund and upgrade to Hero. The things that give me pause though are:

1. I want my armored horse and dire wolf and don't really want to shell out $260
2. Considering the debacle with the Drow, I have zero faith that both packs won't be tampered with again.
3. I need to see an accurate cash shop so I can decide how much value there really is on 750k diamonds. It may simply be more cost efficient to buy the things I want. Near as I can tell, the only things in the HotN package that we won't be able to buy from the shop are the Renegade Drow backround, Panther, and spider mount.

Astral diamonds are a market controlled currency. Meaning their value is not fixed and depends on players. The value will fluctuate with supply and demand.

tinypyro

bedroomjesus wrote: »

Astral diamonds are a market controlled currency. Meaning their value is not fixed and depends on players. The value will fluctuate with supply and demand.

That has zero impact on how much the items in the cash shop cost in relation to the 750k with HotN

zindalius

F2P doesn't mean free to develop,distribute and market. If you had enough faith to spend sixty bucks "just to get into beta",then you must have done some research and decided it was worth it,even though there is always a wipe at the end. The new F2P genre works if a majority of the players spend something in a cash shop,or buy the initial release (which is what you did with your sixty bucks),plus perks. If you "buy" software you can't take it back unless it's damaged,and your only gonna get a replacement,not your money.Plus there is no misrepresentation here that I can see.Everyone had the same choices. So my advice is chalk it up to experience,and next time wait for the final release and play for years for free on the backs of those who paid for the game.

bedroomjesus

tinypyro wrote: »

That has zero impact on how much the items in the cash shop cost in relation to the 750k with HotN

Cash shop will use Zen as the currency. Diamonds are used for separate in game vendors.

tinypyro

bedroomjesus wrote: »

Cash shop will use Zen as the currency. Diamonds are used for separate in game vendors.

You can buy Zen with diamonds. For that matter, you can also buy diamonds with Zen. Hense my point that I want to evaluate the value of 750k diamonds in relation to items I may want to buy in the cash shop with them compared to spending $200 or less on items that fit my personal taste and wants.

bedroomjesus

tinypyro wrote: »

You can buy Zen with diamonds.

You can buy Zen from other players with diamonds at whatever price they list it at. Meaning it will fluctuate.

starkaos

The 750,000 Astral Diamonds can be worth from $15 to $300 based on the Astral Diamond Exchange limits. Although $20 to $75 is a more accurate representation of their worth. That is if Zen is worth between 100 to 375 Astral Diamonds.

wulfster42

I'd disregard the value of astral diamonds when factoring in the hero/guardian packs for now. The extra char slots, mounts/companions etc for each character are where the value is. For hero pack you get to cut in line etc as well. The main point of both the guardian and hero packs is to support the game though. Just buying pure zen once the game comes out will almost certainly gain you more astral diamonds and account options then if you buy a pack. In addition, if you actually DO spend zen buying astral diamonds you will help ensure people who do buy the packs can convert their diamonds for zen (since you'll be spending zen on diamonds).

I think there will be far more people trying to sell diamonds, then people trying to buy them at first (sadly).

Hero has some nice advantages, has a head start on drow and unique backstory/racial type of drow, unique mounts (I hate spiders though), and companion (panther is nice) and some other nice advantages. Is it worth $200? Probably not in most peoples minds....but it's worth supporting a game you already know your going to want to play a ton!!

vikinggamer

Its really hard to say what will happen with zen/AD prices right at the start. My guess is that yes there will be a glut of diamonds at first but that will disappear pretty quickly after all, the people entering the game early have already demonstrated that they can afford to waste some cash on the game. I think diamonds will be bought up almost as fast as they hit the market and most of the diamonds that come from the packs will never see the market. People who have the cash will probably want to buy mounts and companions and such. If they want cash shop items they will probably just lay down more cash to buy zen directly.

This means that diamonds will probably see their highest value right at release. Cash rich players will be trying to buy more diamonds so they can get more things in game all while the bulk of players entering the game after release will largely be free players and everyone will be new so most people will have very few diamonds to throw around. Also consider that most of the diamonds will be coming early on from invocations done each hour. That means the supply of diamonds will be slow and steady. Diamonds will be a premium in the first few weeks.

But while people will throw cash a round a bit at the beginning of a game it usually slows way down as time goes on. People will remember that they have a budget and cant buy everything the heart wants. Or those that do spend too much money will simply run out of things to buy. You don't need more than one of every mount right? This pretty much happens in every game. It even happens in the games that will allow the buying and selling of game time for in game currency such as Eve Online. As the game progresses, people will become more and more rich within the game but they will become a bit more tight with there real life money. This means that over time the value of diamonds will drop with respect to zen. But this is usually a slow and steady shift just as the acquiring of diamonds themselves will be slow and steady.

So to start off with the market will be all over the place during the headstart days and perhaps a few days into release but it should settle out quickly. I would guess within a week or so of release we will be pretty stable and the value of diamonds will more or less be at their peak and start to slowly come down. Of course watch for promotions and advertising blitzes as they will impact the diamond/zen market. Also remember that as more and more kids get out of school for the summer the rate of diamonds entering the economy will increase dramatically.