ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited September 2012
Thanks, yeah I know about all that.
Since I won't be playing PnP any money spent on the player's handbook would be a waste. I was more or less hoping there was a site where some of the at least more basic classes were listed but alas, oh well.
Maybe I'll look into the compendium. Thanks for the advice :-D
Since I won't be playing PnP any money spent on the player's handbook would be a waste. I was more or less hoping there was a site where some of the at least more basic classes were listed but alas, oh well.
Maybe I'll look into the compendium. Thanks for the advice :-D
While respecting the copyrighted material, yet keeping the conection of those paths connected to the Forgotten Realms, I found this link in the Forgotten Realms Wiki. While this does a great job of setting up the narrative and stripping away the mechanics like it is done here, remember, all these are set up for tabletop or PnP, and not for this MMORPG game, so who could say how these would be "ported" if ever.
As for what PP exist in Neverwinter's book, only one path exists from that book:
SORCEROUS SWORD Prerequisite: Only a bladesinger can take this paragon path.
In the paragon tier, you continue your intensive study of the ways in which sword and spell can unify into a single weapon. The bladesinger?s path is both a highly formalized tradition and a deeply personal journey into the secrets, of magic, swordplay, and the self. As your journey continues, you come to grasp ever more powerful spells, and magic plays an increasingly important role in your drive to victory.
SORCEROUS SWORD PATH FEATURES
Boon Spell (11th level): You add a new wizard encounter attack power to your spellbook. The power must be of 7th level or lower, and it functions as a daily attack power for you. In addition, each day you can prepare one additional bladesinger daily power from your spellbook. This additional power can be the same level as another power you prepare, but this feature does not allow you to prepare the same power twice on the same day. Choir of Swords (11th level): While your bladesong is active, you can spend an action point to make a melee basic attack against each enemy adjacent to you as a standard action. Bladesong Ballet (12th level): While your bladesong is active, you can use a move action to shift a number of squares up to your speed. Bladespell Step (16th level): Once per encounter, you can teleport up to 5 squares as a free action immediately after you use a bladespell power. Signature Spell (20th level): You gain a wizard daily attack power of 19th level or lower.
That's the only one from Neverwinter, and while I think fair use applies if I were to quote one or two classes sometimes, I doubt it would be OK for me to start quoting a bunch of PP that would "work well with this game" legally speaking.
But if you ever had a question about a specific PP, feel free to post it here or PM me (or gillrmn if gillrmn okays that method here) and leave it to others who want to privately refer you to descriptions of said paths for other books
Finally got to read the new ones. Been a busy couple of days...
The monk was a truly great story. Sad but great.
As for requests...is there anywhere online I could look up a list of paragon paths or does Wizards try to hide them thoroughly so you have to pay for them?
And if Wizards is hiding them behind locked doors any suggestions on which handbook has the most or do all of the handbooks supply a few? Sadly I won't be playing any PnP any time soon so I don't exactly want to invest a lot in books I'll never be able to use.
Yeah, a lot of them are 'hidden' in magzines too. PHB3 has psion, PHB2 has primal(mainly) and PHB1 has basic paths. After that there are power books - Arcane power, divine power, primal power, martial power1, martial power2, psion power - for shadows they have heroes of shadows. A lot of powers are also added later from this and that (campaign settings, heroes of feywild etc.).
To know about list of paragon paths, best place would be the online character builder perhaps, it is quite nice. I don't know if a free char builder exists for 4e though.
But if you ever had a question about a specific PP, feel free to post it here or PM me (or gillrmn if gillrmn okays that method here) and leave it to others who want to privately refer you to descriptions of said paths for other books
lol. you are welcome to post anywhere I can truth, though this is a public forum and I have no right to stop anyone from posting either
Just be careful of IP stuff, I decided to remove all figures and powers due to that reason only so that I dont step in murky waters.
Since I won't be playing PnP any money spent on the player's handbook would be a waste. I was more or less hoping there was a site where some of the at least more basic classes were listed but alas, oh well.
Maybe I'll look into the compendium. Thanks for the advice :-D
Paragon Path of the Day: Ancestral Weapon
Path of the Class: Barbarian
Any Prerequisites: Barbarian, Rampage rage
Lore: Ragnar looked at the battlefield ahead. A hundred bodies laid slain there. Many of his allies were fallen to the enemy's blade too. "May ancestors guide me, and watch me as I smite enemies in their name." Ragnar said a prayer.
"But the battle is over my thane!" Second in command besides Ragnar spoke out.
"Battle may be, but the war is not. Prepare the star formation!" Ragnar gave out the orders. The second in command saw the dust rising from far east. The Wolf-riders were coing - the goblins!
Ragnar raised his blade and many enemies fell. His wounds were his trophy and his scars were his medals. As a cavalary rode through his archers, he cried out in ancestral fury and charged them. The whole cavalry instantly turned their attention towards him. Ragnar was the savior of many warriors in battlefield and none had the strength to save him.
The fury of ancestors, their trials and tribulations themselves were oozing out of his wounds instead of blood. It gave courage to those who followed. Another battle was won.
"We have struck them down. They would be licking their wounds and we shall celebrate for the night. Tomorrow we walk to death again and snatch our lives from the throat of death itself." And the crowd went wild!
Paragon Path of the Day: Time Bender
Path of the Class: Psion
Any Prerequisites: Psion
Lore: Dal Undal a Psionic mage, Fredija a girl character of not much combat consequence in this story and Yarjar a barbarian sidekick were travelling toghether when they were attacked by spiders.
The spider spit acid at Yarjar. "Dal Dal Force Field!" Dal conjured and an invisible force stopped the acid, acting like shield. Meanwhile Fredija was caught in web. "Dal Dal FoM" and the force pushed Fredija out of webs.
By that time two spiders sneaked behind him. But he was aware, "Dal Dal Hammer" and an invisible dimentional hammer appeared and squashed them. Seeing squashed stuff, spiders didn't approach him for some time. "Undal Time transfer" and he loaned his time to future.
Suddenly he realised that a spider has sneaked away with his orb. He burrowed the time with "Dal Dal Time Transfer" and ran like a hummingbird among retreatng spiders soon overtaking the one theif. But it was a trap. He was standing among many other critters with his party away.
"Dal dal Bonds" and the critters lost sense of time and space and just stood there. Then out of anger, Dal banished the stealer from the space-time of 4e. The critter found itself in planescape staring at Lady of Pain...
As for the others, "Dal Dal Squash" two large hands of force appeared and squashed the spiders who wanted to ambush Dal.
"You were very fast! You must have practised a lot!" Fredija exclaimed.
"It is just a matter of changing timescale. the mountains flow before god. If you change your time to large timescale, everything slow becomes fast." Dal explained.
"What Dal? Going crazy again?" Yarjar asked.
"No, no. Let me explain. See here, even if I touch you by changing time, your skin won't be pressed even if I press. like if i touch Fredija's brea..." Dal couldn't complete.
*Slap*
"No, wait! I was just trying to explain. I am..." Dal tried to explain.
*Slap*
"What? Do you think they are of any consequence? They are just normal..." Dal tried to dismiss something Fredija considered important.
*Slap Slap Slap BAM!!!*
"Wait! Why? I am intellegent unlike you. For me explaining is more important than your bre..." Dal got irritated
*WHAM! BAM! Slap Slap Slap*
"Wait Fredija, Dal will die..."
*Slap BAM! WHAM!*
*Silence*
...
...
"Wait, aren't you curious..." last words of legendary wizard Dal, on whose name many spells are named after in some land.
*Stab Stab Stab*
EDIT: And so Dal was finally Undaled.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited September 2012
Haha.
Entertaining however the last two seem to focus a bit too much on the story compared to the actual class abilities but I understand exactly what you mean about barbarians not being your strong suit.
I am able to be a brute stating "Where did he go George!?" or no brute at all. I enjoy being the quick witted wizard, the expert tactician, or any other form of intelligent player but anything less I abhor. My palpable personality finds it excessively taxing to simulate ineptitude. It's difficult enough to articulate logic in a manner befitting the internet's average audience therefore I find myself employing one extreme or the other as I am inherently an intellectual person and don't find that trait effortless to yield.
I did, however, actually manage to get my hands on some of the player's handbooks and thereby have access to some Paragon Paths so quite possibly I'll try my hand out at one soon too...but that will require an extensive bit of reading first.
Entertaining however the last two seem to focus a bit too much on the story compared to the actual class abilities but I understand exactly what you mean about barbarians not being your strong suit.
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I did, however, actually manage to get my hands on some of the player's handbooks and thereby have access to some Paragon Paths so quite possibly I'll try my hand out at one soon too...but that will require an extensive bit of reading first.
Most of barbarian skills are increasing damage. Others like taking aggro of cavalry, his bloods encouraging allies etc. I tried to list. For psion, all "Dal Dal..." spells are actual spells. It shows the particular egoistic trait of spell-users who name the spells after them. The emotion of ego is even more pronounced in psion class. So in order to define his spell different from spells used by others - Dal uses his name as prefix added to the spells.
Psion can be telekinetic or telepathic. This one I used was telekinetic. Telepathic(using charms, dream etc.) I will use later.
Nice to know you are going through paragons too, their descriptions(apart from powers) are quite interesting to read as they give quite an insight to what a paragon is.
Am taking a break from paragons and forums. Would come back when cryptic decides to involve themselves with community (hopefully they do at some point) or if the game is up.
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iamtruthseekerMember, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Am taking a break from paragons and forums. Would come back when cryptic decides to involve themselves with community (hopefully they do at some point) or if the game is up.
When i played 3 and 3.5 i ussually play as a sorcerer or a wizard lol but in 4th i never did again, dont get me wrong i love 4th edition but casters could work diferently IMO.
About the paragon paths that blood mage seems to be very good, mostly with his daily power lol (stun all with a miss before epic tier ?? thats awsome).
i not following the all topic but beside wizard is a control role by default not all wizards are controlers, just saiyng
When i played 3 and 3.5 i ussually play as a sorcerer or a wizard lol but in 4th i never did again, dont get me wrong i love 4th edition but casters could work diferently IMO.
About the paragon paths that blood mage seems to be very good, mostly with his daily power lol (stun all with a miss before epic tier ?? thats awsome).
i not following the all topic but beside wizard is a control role by default not all wizards are controlers, just saiyng
I also don;t like this control wizard and that's it. I had wizards that by simply changing the spellbook could do tons of damage
blood mage it's a little tricky it's not that easy to play a blood mage and even harder to make a good blood mage but yeah he can do allot of nasty stuff to opponents.
I would like to point out that powers in game are different than pnp (and numbers too). So while classes may be bad to play in pnp, it may be well in game.
That said, a humorous look at what a frustrated wizard post regarding 4e.
A lot depends on campaign also. I haven't played wizard in 4e yet, but drawing from my paladin build (devilslayer) was quite good in one ashmadai campaign but was usually not very good. One of my friend recently dropped wizard and started using psion(telepathic) but before he used to swear by dwarven wizard (but he is a fan of Drogan Droganson, so I don't trust his assessment).
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iamtruthseekerMember, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited September 2012
I could post much better user-generated paragon path articles for the wizard class on the wizards of the Coast site, but this is an MMO that is converted from 4e influence. The suggested paths there work for tabletop, not here. We'll need to see how they handle the PP in game before commenting on what ports best. But for the record, no that site listing PP's provided stinks. If you want to understand the "best" class in Pnp, start with this link
well i would love to read that article right here :d:d:d:d
While I have many of the books and can quote fair use for the classes and races and PP etc, posting threads from a forum which also has a membership-only private section is just not comfortable for me. If You are a member of wizards.com/dnd, you can search for wizard paragon paths there, as well as use the links provided here in the thread, but I do have to draw the personal line at posting from threads which may be private and me not easily able to tell what is premium membership or not makes me only able to refer to people who can get a wizards ID for free and check themselves that way.
First time I've actually been held up due to me being a member of a premium membership of D&D I guess.
Sorry, I was trying to make a picture story and halfway I decided that I should use svg drawings as I might need to scale and reuse them.
Also its my principal to draw everything by myself and not try to use anyone's else work.
Without realizing it has become a bit overwhelming - the horse especially is not coming right and its hairs are not flowing properly though I am looking at svg tutorials to see how to do them right.
Once I learn it, it should be easier to make all earlier stories a 'picture story' too. I will need uite some time on this.
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Since I won't be playing PnP any money spent on the player's handbook would be a waste. I was more or less hoping there was a site where some of the at least more basic classes were listed but alas, oh well.
Maybe I'll look into the compendium. Thanks for the advice :-D
While respecting the copyrighted material, yet keeping the conection of those paths connected to the Forgotten Realms, I found this link in the Forgotten Realms Wiki. While this does a great job of setting up the narrative and stripping away the mechanics like it is done here, remember, all these are set up for tabletop or PnP, and not for this MMORPG game, so who could say how these would be "ported" if ever.
As for what PP exist in Neverwinter's book, only one path exists from that book:
That's the only one from Neverwinter, and while I think fair use applies if I were to quote one or two classes sometimes, I doubt it would be OK for me to start quoting a bunch of PP that would "work well with this game" legally speaking.
But if you ever had a question about a specific PP, feel free to post it here or PM me (or gillrmn if gillrmn okays that method here) and leave it to others who want to privately refer you to descriptions of said paths for other books
Yeah, a lot of them are 'hidden' in magzines too. PHB3 has psion, PHB2 has primal(mainly) and PHB1 has basic paths. After that there are power books - Arcane power, divine power, primal power, martial power1, martial power2, psion power - for shadows they have heroes of shadows. A lot of powers are also added later from this and that (campaign settings, heroes of feywild etc.).
To know about list of paragon paths, best place would be the online character builder perhaps, it is quite nice. I don't know if a free char builder exists for 4e though.
lol. you are welcome to post anywhere I can truth, though this is a public forum and I have no right to stop anyone from posting either
Just be careful of IP stuff, I decided to remove all figures and powers due to that reason only so that I dont step in murky waters.
Probably this list can be useful.
EDIT: Not complete or exhaustive however.
Path of the Class: Barbarian
Any Prerequisites: Barbarian, Rampage rage
Lore: Ragnar looked at the battlefield ahead. A hundred bodies laid slain there. Many of his allies were fallen to the enemy's blade too. "May ancestors guide me, and watch me as I smite enemies in their name." Ragnar said a prayer.
"But the battle is over my thane!" Second in command besides Ragnar spoke out.
"Battle may be, but the war is not. Prepare the star formation!" Ragnar gave out the orders. The second in command saw the dust rising from far east. The Wolf-riders were coing - the goblins!
Ragnar raised his blade and many enemies fell. His wounds were his trophy and his scars were his medals. As a cavalary rode through his archers, he cried out in ancestral fury and charged them. The whole cavalry instantly turned their attention towards him. Ragnar was the savior of many warriors in battlefield and none had the strength to save him.
The fury of ancestors, their trials and tribulations themselves were oozing out of his wounds instead of blood. It gave courage to those who followed. Another battle was won.
"We have struck them down. They would be licking their wounds and we shall celebrate for the night. Tomorrow we walk to death again and snatch our lives from the throat of death itself." And the crowd went wild!
Are you kidding?! +! for You've singled out where the modern-day sports phrase came from!
Path of the Class: Psion
Any Prerequisites: Psion
Lore: Dal Undal a Psionic mage, Fredija a girl character of not much combat consequence in this story and Yarjar a barbarian sidekick were travelling toghether when they were attacked by spiders.
The spider spit acid at Yarjar. "Dal Dal Force Field!" Dal conjured and an invisible force stopped the acid, acting like shield. Meanwhile Fredija was caught in web. "Dal Dal FoM" and the force pushed Fredija out of webs.
By that time two spiders sneaked behind him. But he was aware, "Dal Dal Hammer" and an invisible dimentional hammer appeared and squashed them. Seeing squashed stuff, spiders didn't approach him for some time. "Undal Time transfer" and he loaned his time to future.
Suddenly he realised that a spider has sneaked away with his orb. He burrowed the time with "Dal Dal Time Transfer" and ran like a hummingbird among retreatng spiders soon overtaking the one theif. But it was a trap. He was standing among many other critters with his party away.
"Dal dal Bonds" and the critters lost sense of time and space and just stood there. Then out of anger, Dal banished the stealer from the space-time of 4e. The critter found itself in planescape staring at Lady of Pain...
As for the others, "Dal Dal Squash" two large hands of force appeared and squashed the spiders who wanted to ambush Dal.
"You were very fast! You must have practised a lot!" Fredija exclaimed.
"It is just a matter of changing timescale. the mountains flow before god. If you change your time to large timescale, everything slow becomes fast." Dal explained.
"What Dal? Going crazy again?" Yarjar asked.
"No, no. Let me explain. See here, even if I touch you by changing time, your skin won't be pressed even if I press. like if i touch Fredija's brea..." Dal couldn't complete.
*Slap*
"No, wait! I was just trying to explain. I am..." Dal tried to explain.
*Slap*
"What? Do you think they are of any consequence? They are just normal..." Dal tried to dismiss something Fredija considered important.
*Slap Slap Slap BAM!!!*
"Wait! Why? I am intellegent unlike you. For me explaining is more important than your bre..." Dal got irritated
*WHAM! BAM! Slap Slap Slap*
"Wait Fredija, Dal will die..."
*Slap BAM! WHAM!*
*Silence*
...
...
"Wait, aren't you curious..." last words of legendary wizard Dal, on whose name many spells are named after in some land.
*Stab Stab Stab*
EDIT: And so Dal was finally Undaled.
Entertaining however the last two seem to focus a bit too much on the story compared to the actual class abilities but I understand exactly what you mean about barbarians not being your strong suit.
I am able to be a brute stating "Where did he go George!?" or no brute at all. I enjoy being the quick witted wizard, the expert tactician, or any other form of intelligent player but anything less I abhor. My palpable personality finds it excessively taxing to simulate ineptitude. It's difficult enough to articulate logic in a manner befitting the internet's average audience therefore I find myself employing one extreme or the other as I am inherently an intellectual person and don't find that trait effortless to yield.
I did, however, actually manage to get my hands on some of the player's handbooks and thereby have access to some Paragon Paths so quite possibly I'll try my hand out at one soon too...but that will require an extensive bit of reading first.
Most of barbarian skills are increasing damage. Others like taking aggro of cavalry, his bloods encouraging allies etc. I tried to list. For psion, all "Dal Dal..." spells are actual spells. It shows the particular egoistic trait of spell-users who name the spells after them. The emotion of ego is even more pronounced in psion class. So in order to define his spell different from spells used by others - Dal uses his name as prefix added to the spells.
Psion can be telekinetic or telepathic. This one I used was telekinetic. Telepathic(using charms, dream etc.) I will use later.
Nice to know you are going through paragons too, their descriptions(apart from powers) are quite interesting to read as they give quite an insight to what a paragon is.
You are missed sir
http://www.helium.com/items/1711320-4th-edition-dd-wizard-paragon-paths
When i played 3 and 3.5 i ussually play as a sorcerer or a wizard lol but in 4th i never did again, dont get me wrong i love 4th edition but casters could work diferently IMO.
About the paragon paths that blood mage seems to be very good, mostly with his daily power lol (stun all with a miss before epic tier ?? thats awsome).
i not following the all topic but beside wizard is a control role by default not all wizards are controlers, just saiyng
I also don;t like this control wizard and that's it. I had wizards that by simply changing the spellbook could do tons of damage
if you get hit by fireballs you got problems.
That said, a humorous look at what a frustrated wizard post regarding 4e.
A lot depends on campaign also. I haven't played wizard in 4e yet, but drawing from my paladin build (devilslayer) was quite good in one ashmadai campaign but was usually not very good. One of my friend recently dropped wizard and started using psion(telepathic) but before he used to swear by dwarven wizard (but he is a fan of Drogan Droganson, so I don't trust his assessment).
While I have many of the books and can quote fair use for the classes and races and PP etc, posting threads from a forum which also has a membership-only private section is just not comfortable for me. If You are a member of wizards.com/dnd, you can search for wizard paragon paths there, as well as use the links provided here in the thread, but I do have to draw the personal line at posting from threads which may be private and me not easily able to tell what is premium membership or not makes me only able to refer to people who can get a wizards ID for free and check themselves that way.
First time I've actually been held up due to me being a member of a premium membership of D&D I guess.
Working on something special for this. Keep watching it once a week instead of once a day.
Most excelent ! I am sure it will be awesome
Also its my principal to draw everything by myself and not try to use anyone's else work.
Without realizing it has become a bit overwhelming - the horse especially is not coming right and its hairs are not flowing properly though I am looking at svg tutorials to see how to do them right.
Once I learn it, it should be easier to make all earlier stories a 'picture story' too. I will need uite some time on this.