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ian20120505ian20120505 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited June 2012 in General Discussion (PC)
This thread is a follow-up of a previous thread (Will people live in east Asia be able to play Neverwinter?).

Cryptic, I know it's PWE's intention to block Chinese and Russian, not yours. But are you really feel okay to let things be like that? If you don't, please do something for people who got blocked innocently!

D&D branded games have become world wide games since long ago. There are many Chinese who love Baulder's Gate, Icewind Dale, and Neverwinter Nights series. And I knew there was also a big Chinese guild in DDO's Argonnessen server. So you will lose a significant player base if you block Chinese.

And once this game is launched and Chinese and Russian find that they are blocked by a racism-like policy, PWE and Cryptic might make a very bad impression on east Asian video gamers. You definitely don't want to see that happens.
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  • vindiconvindicon Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    PWE does not even exist in China, so it cannot possibly make bad impressions there. There's only Wanmei, which btw is the original company and, if by any chance NW is ever published in China, it will most probably be through that...
    As for Russia and any other countries blocked... PWE generally only blocks countries off certain games when there is or may be a different publisher for the same game... and it's not unusual to lift blocks as the games get closer to release - they used to block most of Eastern Europe from RH and Europe from Raiderz, they do not do so anymore... Russia especially often has its own publishers handling many of PWE's games, so I assume they just block it by default until they can sort things out...
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  • ian20120505ian20120505 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    vindicon wrote: »
    PWE does not even exist in China, so it cannot possibly make bad impressions there. There's only Wanmei, which btw is the original company and, if by any chance NW is ever published in China, it will most probably be through that...
    As for Russia and any other countries blocked... PWE generally only blocks countries off certain games when there is or may be a different publisher for the same game... and it's not unusual to lift blocks as the games get closer to release - they used to block most of Eastern Europe from RH and Europe from Raiderz, they do not do so anymore... Russia especially often has its own publishers handling many of PWE's games, so I assume they just block it by default until they can sort things out...
    One doesn't need to actually be in a place to make bad impressions there. One can simply stay at home and make bad impressions on other countries by insulting other countries through internet.

    Please read the previous thread. The PWE staff did mentioned the block is out of administrative purpose.
  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    PW will run game in china probly but u will need wait few months since we waiting games form PW to lunch here 3-4months to come or update here now u guys in china will probly need to wait same for game transalting and publishing from here to china think. and since is game action u wouldnt probly be able to play it normaly on eu or us servers anyway becuse of ping
  • ian20120505ian20120505 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    warpet wrote: »
    PW will run game in china probly but u will need wait few months since we waiting games form PW to lunch here 3-4months to come or update here now u guys in china will probly need to wait same for game transalting and publishing from here to china think. and since is game action u wouldnt probly be able to play it normaly on eu or us servers anyway becuse of ping
    well... I guess you wrote your post in your native language and then used Google Translate to translate it into English.

    I based in Taiwan, not in mainland China. Imo it's not good to separate players by countries. At least players should be able to choose which region of people they want to play with.

    And nowadays a mmo shouldn't let Asian players suffer from lag when they log into eu or us server.
  • shiaikashiaika Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Silverstars Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    This thread is a follow-up of a previous thread (Will people live in east Asia be able to play Neverwinter?).

    Cryptic, I know it's PWE's intention to block Chinese and Russian, not yours. But are you really feel okay to let things be like that? If you don't, please do something for people who got blocked innocently!

    D&D branded games have become world wide games since long ago. There are many Chinese who love Baulder's Gate, Icewind Dale, and Neverwinter Nights series. And I knew there was also a big Chinese guild in DDO's Argonnessen server. So you will lose a significant player base if you block Chinese.

    And once this game is launched and Chinese and Russian find that they are blocked by a racism-like policy, PWE and Cryptic might make a very bad impression on east Asian video gamers. You definitely don't want to see that happens.
    Racism-like? If I were to facepalm myself for such stupidity I just read, it would echo through all the space-time continuum
  • ian20120505ian20120505 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    shiaika wrote: »
    Racism-like? If I were to facepalm myself for such stupidity I just read, it would echo through all the space-time continuum
    What do you mean? By saying "racism-like", I meant that policy seems to be based on racism.
  • gillrmngillrmn Member Posts: 7,800 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    What do you mean? By saying "racism-like", I meant that policy seems to be based on racism.

    They have not disallowed a race. They have only stopped countries.
    The reason can be law, different launch schedule, can be that they don't have a way to get any payment from people there for their game, it can be hundred of other reasons not excluding privacy policy and hacking attempts. It may also be that they faced problems with laws-cutting-in-their-profit during their operations.

    And it is quite common thing. Also their own information says - administrative reasons.

    Any person, even ones traveling there, won't be able to access game from there.

    EDIT: Though I do feel it is unfair to some regions, but the decision is not racist. However, I though that they had allowed old Russian cryptic accounts for STO to operate even after merge. But I don't think bans are allowed to be discussed on forums. So you should perhaps ask the support.
  • ian20120505ian20120505 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    gillrmn wrote: »
    They have not disallowed a race. They have only stopped countries.
    The reason can be law, different launch schedule, can be that they don't have a way to get any payment from people there for their game, it can be hundred of other reasons not excluding privacy policy and hacking attempts. It may also be that they faced problems with laws-cutting-in-their-profit during their operations.

    And it is quite common thing. Also their own information says - administrative reasons.

    Any person, even ones traveling there, won't be able to access game from there.

    EDIT: Though I do feel it is unfair to some regions, but the decision is not racist. However, I though that they had allowed old Russian cryptic accounts for STO to operate even after merge. But I don't think bans are allowed to be discussed on forums. So you should perhaps ask the support.
    It is faster and more convenient to block countries directly than stupidly ask people who are trying to register "Are you <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> race? If so, we will block you".

    I don't think it is a common thing. All other D&D games don't block people, why does this game do? If it is because of a common reason, they can simply let us know. But they didn't.

    P.S. I didn't said it is exactly racism. I wasn't sure about that. Hence the word "racism-like".
  • iamtruthseekeriamtruthseeker Member, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    You may be confusing the term discriminatory with racism-like, (not a real word or compound-word.) Besides that: me 10-foot pole, not touching this.
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  • ian20120505ian20120505 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    You may be confusing the term discriminatory with racism-like, (not a real word or compound-word.) Besides that: me 10-foot pole, not touching this.
    Maybe. I don't know. I'm not a native English speaker after all, so sometimes my wording is not accurate enough.
  • vindiconvindicon Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012

    I based in Taiwan, not in mainland China. Imo it's not good to separate players by countries. At least players should be able to choose which region of people they want to play with.

    Ehm... I don't think PWE is the one responsible for separating players... They would happily allow you in if they could, and in the past they actually did, as there are lots of PWE players from Russia and other now banned countries, that made their accounts before the ip blocks, that still have access to the games. But it's quite obvious that they can't opperate in Chinese regions, because 1) the mother company is already there anyway and 2) the Chinese government and its internet cencorship policies would undoubtedly cause legal issues. As for Russia, like I said before, they usually give their games to local publishers, probably because they are not willing to bear the cost of supporting the market of such a vast country, and thus have to block the region off. Now, why do they block South Korea... no idea, but I guess the reasons are simillar to the ones in Russia...
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  • gillrmngillrmn Member Posts: 7,800 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I also agree what vindicon says is true, because nobody is happy to refuse free dollars in their pocket. (Not free, but profit...)
  • ian20120505ian20120505 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    vindicon wrote: »
    Ehm... I don't think PWE is the one responsible for separating players... They would happily allow you in if they could, and in the past they actually did, as there are lots of PWE players from Russia and other now banned countries, that made their accounts before the ip blocks, that still have access to the games. But it's quite obvious that they can't opperate in Chinese regions, because 1) the mother company is already there anyway and 2) the Chinese government and its internet cencorship policies would undoubtedly cause legal issues. As for Russia, like I said before, they usually give their games to local publishers, probably because they are not willing to bear the cost of supporting the market of such a vast country, and thus have to block the region off. Now, why do they block South Korea... no idea, but I guess the reasons are simillar to the ones in Russia...
    Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macao don't have censorship.
  • vindiconvindicon Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macao don't have censorship.

    They are still technically China though, and they all ultimately answer to the central Chinese government... and one does not simply walk into China (please excuse the meme, too much 9gag and too little studying lately...)
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  • ian20120505ian20120505 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    vindicon wrote: »
    They are still technically China though, and they all ultimately answer to the central Chinese government... and one does not simply walk into China (please excuse the meme, too much 9gag and too little studying lately...)
    That's not true. Nowadays, each of them acts and is often regarded as an individual rather than a part of mainland China. Especially Taiwan.
  • propagandawar23propagandawar23 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 36
    edited June 2012
    You may be confusing the term discriminatory with racism-like, (not a real word or compound-word.) Besides that: me 10-foot pole, not touching this.

    Actually being a white American with a mixed family this bugs the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> out of me and I will touch it. Learn how to word stuff. The US is the only country in the world with true diversity and maybe it never occured to you that those two countries you mentioned are the ones not allowing such access. China's pretty well known for blocking things that they can't control. Last thing I want to see is the flippin race card pulled on a MMO site.
  • gillrmngillrmn Member Posts: 7,800 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    *Raises slogans*
    "Lock thread! Lock thread!"

    Passerby A:- Why do you want th thread locked?

    ... ... ... ... ...

    Passerby B(who happens to be psychologist):- Can it be you are craving for attension from the forum devs because you feel abandoned because of lack of conversations? ... ... I see its abandonment issues. Maybe you should keep some pet.

    Passerby C(who happens to be psychiatrist):- Or I have some medicine which can make you forget every trauma...

    *throws placard*
    *runs away*
    Jokes aside, please let us all be considerate, forgiving, mature and civil. And all the four qualities would mean to keep personal stuff(like race, ethnicity, nation) and politics(which are perhaps dirty business deals anyways) keep out of the forums.
  • aralixaralix Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 45
    edited June 2012
    i would think it has to do with local laws in that area or that another company has dips like Asia's PW over U.S. PWE which as I understand are 2 seperate companies (though linked?)
    adminstration reasons sounds like "Because your government is being a poopie head"

    no racism here *.*
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  • seikilosseikilos Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    aralix wrote: »
    i would think it has to do with local laws in that area or that another company has dips like Asia's PW over U.S. PWE which as I understand are 2 seperate companies (though linked?)
    adminstration reasons sounds like "Because your government is being a poopie head"

    no racism here *.*

    China =/= Asia.
  • ian20120505ian20120505 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    aralix wrote: »
    i would think it has to do with local laws in that area or that another company has dips like Asia's PW over U.S. PWE which as I understand are 2 seperate companies (though linked?)
    adminstration reasons sounds like "Because your government is being a poopie head"

    no racism here *.*
    That's why I think something isn't quite right. Why do all other D&D games have no issue publishing in Asia and this game has?
  • iamtruthseekeriamtruthseeker Member, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    There is really no way to separate interantional policy, US policy, the other country's policy and this company/PWE/PWE's parent company's rules, and making a guess would be just as bad as an uninformed opinion. Even if I were luckily correct, my opinion could be used as flame bait. No, wiithout an official reposnse clearly spelling out a decision for thiis specific issue, the keeping away decision on this from me stands. Whether or not it is or is not cautious, discriminatory, rash, or any other or a group of other adjectives will not be my decision to post currently.
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