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werealchemist
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will they be in the game? have they been considered? I'll just move this here it seems more appropriate...
my overall ideas and favorite suggestions compiled and updated
-can only target each user (perhaps determined by account or ip, most likley ip as using accounts in a free game may cause people to make mule accounts to exploit this) or npc once per day whether the attempt is successful or not
-perception check against the thief to see if the attempt was successful
- if successful thief will "steal" a small amount of gold or common item that will be awarded to thief but not taken from victim
-when successful thief may receive a minute amout of exp as a small bonus
-if they get caught town/city guard spawns and the character must choose fight or flight either way a bounty will be accrued (a more substantial one if you kill any guards)
-The player must then pay off his/her bounty
-if player does not pay off bounty town/city guards will randomly spawn to catch thief (more frequent for higher the bounty)
-if bounty reaches a certain level player becomes flagged for pvp and the player(s) that successfully neutralize thief then split a fraction of the bounty
(this last part i really like because it creates player events and will let some people play the bounty hunter role)
This to me seems balanced, fair, non-griefing and i belive it adds heavily to the RP i mean come on who dosent want to see a filthy thief get whomped by everyone in the area? (except the terrible thief of course)
my overall ideas and favorite suggestions compiled and updated
-can only target each user (perhaps determined by account or ip, most likley ip as using accounts in a free game may cause people to make mule accounts to exploit this) or npc once per day whether the attempt is successful or not
-perception check against the thief to see if the attempt was successful
- if successful thief will "steal" a small amount of gold or common item that will be awarded to thief but not taken from victim
-when successful thief may receive a minute amout of exp as a small bonus
-if they get caught town/city guard spawns and the character must choose fight or flight either way a bounty will be accrued (a more substantial one if you kill any guards)
-The player must then pay off his/her bounty
-if player does not pay off bounty town/city guards will randomly spawn to catch thief (more frequent for higher the bounty)
-if bounty reaches a certain level player becomes flagged for pvp and the player(s) that successfully neutralize thief then split a fraction of the bounty
(this last part i really like because it creates player events and will let some people play the bounty hunter role)
This to me seems balanced, fair, non-griefing and i belive it adds heavily to the RP i mean come on who dosent want to see a filthy thief get whomped by everyone in the area? (except the terrible thief of course)
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BlueEyedDevil
Imho, if stolen items are not taken from the actual victim and are instead just dublicated, they might as well replace stealing mechanics altogether with a Santa-Claus NPC givin you some random gift each day... b:tired
Just put some serious limits and make them pay fines to the victim if they get caught, or it's pointless...
Well, I personally am neither for nor against stealing being put in-game, but if they do put it then they should use something resembling proper stealing and not something half-assed like stealing from NPCs only or not taking the stolen stuff off the victim's bag... If they wanna let us steal then let us steal properly...
Well thats your opinion, i have mine. But for me it just feels to be against D&D if you can steal from other players
Now if they would just allow the Wizard Class Library Section to post (at the time of this reply they do not,) I'd be happy.
Have you tried :-
I hope you do realize its the forum for wizards, yes? Keep trying magic words, post will appear. Or cast a true seeing spell if you are of appropriate level.
EDIT: try elvish word for 'Forum library'
Come on, one must always bring a rogue when they venture into unknown places, or they'll find themselves stuck in front of locked doors... That's like the basics b:chuckle
Frodo was a thief -> successor of bilbo. that explains how they got in maybe.
And Gandalf was Elminster in disguise!
if you have watched even one gameplay video you would know that we do
EDIT: Found the summary of what we know so far and last post is from 29th April, so not very far.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=4738
There should be skills in game, but I don't think it has implicitly ben stated anything regarding skills. But I do believe skills would be there, question is which ones and how.
actually its not against DND rules, there are no rules. There are guidelines for the DM to allow whatever he chooses and if he allows stealing from other players, so be it. There will always be players who abuse the system just because they can, this is the main reason devs dont allow player stealing in very many games. The secondary reason is whiners. b:cry
There is a previous thread about how to implement "stealing without grieving" in D&D. There were a lot of ideas in that direction. A few of them I collected here under the heading Class: Roleplay-> 1-Theft.
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Some problems in red when trying to implement those in game.
That argument seems silly. That is like saying why should I play a shooter game if the player on the other end doesn't actually get shot. It is all about simulation.
Though honestly I would like a full blown theft system where people could just take stuff from each other as well as a number of methods to prevent theft such as trap items that fit in an inventory that effect the player that did not place them there (this however could also be interesting for reverse pickpocketing). Not to mention putting points into perception based skill that will flat out negate a thief from stealing. Not to mention making equipped items un able to be stolen (maybe even make a tool belt where you can put frequently used items and they will be treated like equipped items but keep the number of items that can be stored this way relatively low unless they have a skill or profession that changes that). Though I still like the idea of the old wrestling trick from UO and would love to see that to in some form.
Also as far as guard spawn causing lag. I can only imagine that happening if theft became especially rampant.
Also if you ask me the only items that should not be able to stolen are the items that are payed for with real money. So no payed for cosmetic items should be stolen. If you combined this with crafted items be bound to a player you could give enough reasons to steal with enough reasons not to. Which to me would be a fair balance.
some solutions in blue
sarcasm in yellow
The only thing I disagree is the number of attempts one would do. Once per day is just nothing. I think that 3/day would be more reasonable. Perhaps characters would start with a one chance only to pickpocket on lvl 1, and when the char lvl up, it would choose to get more attempts or not.
I like this
As far as PvE theft goes, this has never been handled correctly in my opinion. War-Craft had the right idea with independent loot tables for stolen items, but the chances of gaining something meaningful from the ability were purposefully low to prevent it from becoming an unfair advantage, which kind of defeats the point of thievery. A lot of games simply overlook the option entirely. Stealing on FFXI was a complete joke until SE actually gave thieves Aura Steal, which stole buffs rather than items, and was still of questionable use in 90% of situations.
I'd certainly like to have the option of stealing from mobs, but without a meaningful, well thought out mechanic behind it, I don't see there being much point in including it and certainly wouldn't miss it if Cryptic chose to ignore the ability. Lockpicking is a much more useful skill and I'd rather they put their efforts into making that worthwhile.
[EDIT] So it seems you censor the names of other MMOs by default. Shocking really.
Still there.
Only some names. like the WoW last name for example.
think of it as more of an RP factor. what is a thief that doesn't steal anything right?
I have to be dead first you pasty faced worm! Though for a monthly fee I can make sure accidents don't happen. Wouldn't want your nice sepulcher to burn down now would you?