Chest re-roll in ADWP seems wonky

rockster

I just did one of these and re-rolled at the end chest and it didn't really change much around, it just kept deleting items and making it less and less valuable, the list got shorter and shorter each time I re-rolled it. I don't think it's working properly. Is there some un-spoken code somewhere which says that you are not supposed to re-roll this chest in the first place?

mintmark

I think there was wording like "The rewards for the first opening are weighted to be better"... I don't know if re-rolls from different chests can behave differently (other have having different loot tables).

rockster

Well that's a disincentive to use reroll tokens then, that doesn't sound right. What's the point of using reroll tokens and getting them as rewards throughout the game when they aren't any use and just give u worse things or less things than u got in the first place? Why would anyone use them if they do that. They never used to do that either. Things just swapped around and sometimes on subsequent rolls they were even better which is suppose to be the actual point of taking a chance on using a reroll token.

mintmark

Of course I can't find any evidence to back up my memory... I did find these, but I think it was when they changed it to only being able to re-roll 2 times (down from 4). I'll keep looking...

https://www.arcgames.com/ru/games/neverwinter/news/detail/10352083-dev-blog%3A-dungeon-chest-rewards
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/11007253-dev-blog:-salvage-and-dungeon-chests-changes

Here we go, it's in these dragonslayer patch notes
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/11519113

It says

Maximum chest rerolls has been lowered to 2, down from 4, and reroll cost has increased to 10,000 Astral Diamonds, up from 5,000—But the drop rates for loot and premium rewards on the initial open has greatly increased as a result. The Dungeon Delvers Delights event still further boosts drop rates, but no longer outright doubles them.

Reading it again, it might mean "compared to the previous system" or it might mean "compared to subsequent rerolls". Anyway, that's what I was thinking of.

rockster

I wasn't arguing with u or questioning u anything like that, what I was saying was basically just a perspective on re-rolling generally and how it should operate. The whole idea of re-rolling is to change things up and maybe have something better come along, but u also have the chance that it backfires and the first offering was better, so it should be the value of those things which alters and changes around on RNG, but not the overall amount of items shown as I noticed because each time I re-rolled the list got shorter lol. Tbh I'm too scared to re-roll on those chests now in case I lose the initial ring I get (only the 1st offering had a leg ring) and I'm not prepared to take the chance that this happens again by testing it out. Shame because I have a huge stack of re-roll tokens from VIP but I'm not using them in DWP anymore.

mintmark

I know you weren't arguing, but I wanted to back up what I said because I knew when I wrote it that it was only a vague memory
And now I found the text it's still not entirely clear.

I do reroll quite a lot... sometimes I'm going for "more rough AD" (and I have a feel for what a good amount is for the content), but often I settle for "any extra item". Which turns out to be a mount or companion that I can sell for 99 AD

rockster

Yea. When ur doing a dungeon specifically for a leg ring and that rig only shows up on the first RNG there is absolutely no point in using a re-roll token.