Mount Collars should all give same combined rating

onlymat

Collars are one of the most expensive Items in the game.
I don't know why some collars give more IL than combined rating while others get the same?

I would like to see every Collar gets the same combined rating.
If collars gets less combined rating than IL - there is no pont running collars at all - expecially in scaled content.
Your percentages go up when not using the collars - for the price they cost - that feels just not right.

plasticbat

1% of combat stat (there are 15 combat stat) is calculated as equivalent of 100 combined rating.
Hence, for item level 600 and 3% combined stat comes with 300 combined rating.
6% of AD drops is not a combat stat, hence, it has combined rating of 600.

onlymat

plasticbat said:

1% of combat stat (there are 15 combat stat) is calculated as equivalent of 100 combined rating.
Hence, for item level 600 and 3% combined stat comes with 300 combined rating.
6% of AD drops is not a combat stat, hence, it has combined rating of 600.

Ok, but there is a Collar gives stamina regen, or healing or controll bonus.
Healing healer - stamina tank - controll bonus? noone.
So as dps stamina 3% or 5 % doesn't make a diffence? Does it? and you loose at myth 500 of every important rating?
So as dps better only run 4 collars?

especially if you see the price - you get alot more out of Insignias - sure also less combined rating then IL, but the others stat you get make up up for it.

plasticbat

onlymat said:

plasticbat said:

1% of combat stat (there are 15 combat stat) is calculated as equivalent of 100 combined rating.
Hence, for item level 600 and 3% combined stat comes with 300 combined rating.
6% of AD drops is not a combat stat, hence, it has combined rating of 600.

Ok, but there is a Collar gives stamina regen, or healing or controll bonus.
Healing healer - stamina tank - controll bonus? noone.
So as dps stamina 3% or 5 % doesn't make a diffence? Does it? and you loose at myth 500 of every important rating?
So as dps better only run 4 collars?

especially if you see the price - you get alot more out of Insignias - sure also less combined rating then IL, but the others stat you get make up up for it.

If you don't care about Control bonus/Stamina Gain, sure.
Wizard wants Control bonus. Most dps and tanks want stamina gain. Both are not the stat you can get easily.
Healer wants outgoing healing.
Since you consider insignia is a better deal, you should upgrade Insignia first.
It is your choice.
For me, I don't spend resource to get something that I consider not worth it.

onlymat

plasticbat said:

onlymat said:

plasticbat said:

1% of combat stat (there are 15 combat stat) is calculated as equivalent of 100 combined rating.
Hence, for item level 600 and 3% combined stat comes with 300 combined rating.
6% of AD drops is not a combat stat, hence, it has combined rating of 600.

Ok, but there is a Collar gives stamina regen, or healing or controll bonus.
Healing healer - stamina tank - controll bonus? noone.
So as dps stamina 3% or 5 % doesn't make a diffence? Does it? and you loose at myth 500 of every important rating?
So as dps better only run 4 collars?

especially if you see the price - you get alot more out of Insignias - sure also less combined rating then IL, but the others stat you get make up up for it.

If you don't care about Control bonus/Stamina Gain, sure.
Wizard wants Control bonus. Most dps wants stamina gain. Both are not the stat you can get easily.
Since you consider insignia is a better deal, you should upgrade Insignia first.
It is your choice.

Insignias are all upgraded and my main is a cleric and second a wizard. Why a wizard wants control bonus? There is nothing to control whats important? Or do I miss something - and why you want stamina gain as dps? to dodge more? Most DPS still play Mythal Artifact it gives 12 % stamina. Do the 5% more stamina do anything while "loosing" 500 on stats to almost every stat like crit sev, combat adv and so on?

Or do control powers deal more damage when the control bonus is higher?

A mythic collar is endgame and it costs alot gives "only" 5 % of the powers i wrote - while for stamina you can use artifacts - which are alot cheaper?
I really don't get it in what scenario it makes sense to run this collar as dps. Even the Item lvl increase doesn't give enough damage to run it in Endgame?

plasticbat

onlymat said:

plasticbat said:

onlymat said:

plasticbat said:

1% of combat stat (there are 15 combat stat) is calculated as equivalent of 100 combined rating.
Hence, for item level 600 and 3% combined stat comes with 300 combined rating.
6% of AD drops is not a combat stat, hence, it has combined rating of 600.

Ok, but there is a Collar gives stamina regen, or healing or controll bonus.
Healing healer - stamina tank - controll bonus? noone.
So as dps stamina 3% or 5 % doesn't make a diffence? Does it? and you loose at myth 500 of every important rating?
So as dps better only run 4 collars?

especially if you see the price - you get alot more out of Insignias - sure also less combined rating then IL, but the others stat you get make up up for it.

If you don't care about Control bonus/Stamina Gain, sure.
Wizard wants Control bonus. Most dps wants stamina gain. Both are not the stat you can get easily.
Since you consider insignia is a better deal, you should upgrade Insignia first.
It is your choice.

Insignias are all upgraded and my main is a cleric and second a wizard. Why a wizard wants control bonus? There is nothing to control whats important? Or do I miss something - and why you want stamina gain as dps? to dodge more? Most DPS still play Mythal Artifact it gives 12 % stamina. Do the 5% more stamina do anything while "loosing" 500 on stats to almost every stat like crit sev, combat adv and so on?

Or do control powers deal more damage when the control bonus is higher?

A mythic collar is endgame and it costs alot gives "only" 5 % of the powers i wrote - while for stamina you can use artifacts - which are alot cheaper?
I really don't get it in what scenario it makes sense to run this collar as dps. Even the Item lvl increase doesn't give enough damage to run it in Endgame?

As I said, if you don't want those stat, don't equip them.
If you don't consider the stat worth it, don't equip them.
If you consider equip them would make you worse, don't equip them.

Wizard was originally called 'Control Wizard' for a reason. Wizard's freezing ability is tuned by Control bonus.
Stamina gain allows you to dodge more. Stamina gain faster allows you to trigger certain equipment's bonus faster.

pitshade

Originally all collars gave the lower amount so people advised against using the 2 'useless' ones because they were hurting your combined rating. The devs changed it to the current system where your ratings don't suffer with the non stat ones. They were buffed to the current level so people would actually use them.

rockster

If you were a wizard around when it was called control wizard class, then u understand why control bonus is important for wizards, even now.

mintmark

You can always look at it another way... using items that have more item level than CR (and no other stats) gives you more headroom on all stats, which might help alleviate an overcapping problem.