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kyjle6aka
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Please remove the ability to bind keys. This mainly concerns a new class-the bard. I understand that it will be difficult for the bard without binding keys, but such is the peculiarity of the bard class that you need to completely enter the exact key combination for the sake of using skills. Let this be a certain entry threshold for playing as a bard. If it will be difficult to play as a bard without using binds, then perhaps this is not your class.
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But there are also keybinds for VIP travel sign/bank/mailbox/vendors, the keybind to go back to character selection without going through the menu (extremely interesting for anyone who has an alt-army), keybinds on specific chat messages some are using to warn about mechanics during fights, etc, etc.
Question : are the bard using the NWO commandaliases.txt file to automatize their songs/the succession of command to use ? or do they do that with something exterior to NWO (like a programmable button on a mouse) which would mean that it has nothing to do with NWO keybinding ?
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I don't even think the gameplay advantage is that huge. So you can fire off your songs a little faster, great. Like all keybinds it's convenience mostly.
It wouldn't work if you tried a sequence of encounters for exemple, but with the bard's specific mechanic on perform, maybe...
I still guess it's not done with the true official commands of neverwinter, and "song" hotkeys are managed with something external (which is not really "legal" :P).
About aliases :
With the ingame command /alias, or via the persistant commandaliases.txt file , you can create personnal commands (or batch of commands) to be used ingame with "/aliasname" or to be binded with "/bind aliasname".
In my commandaliases.txt, I have for exemple an installVIP alias that allows me, when I create a new toon, to instantly binds all the useful VIP functions on the numpad keys, or another one that binds invoke+return to character selection (extremely usefull as it shaves a lot of clic in the menu when I invoke on my 42 alts) + other useful shortcuts.
It goes like this for /installVIP :
alias installVIP "bind numpad1 gensendMessage Vipaction_Overworldmapteleport activate $$ bind numpad5 gensendMessage Vipaction_Sealvendor activate $$ bind numpad3 gensendMessage Vipaction_Bankvendor activate $$ bind numpad4 gensendMessage Vipaction_Professionvendor activate $$ bind numpad2 gensendMessage Vipaction_Mailbox activate"/installFct
alias ivkc "invoke $$ gotocharacterselect"alias lv "Team_Leave $$ GenSendMessage Match_Leavemrg Activate"alias installFct "bind alt+f ++interact $$ bind ctrl+q lv $$ bind ctrl+u ivkc $$ bind ctrl+p gotoCharacterSelect $$ bind ctrl+k gensendmessage Stuck_Defeatme Activate"/installemote
alias 0001 "emote bow"alias 0002 "walk 1"alias 0003 "walk 0"alias 0004 "e jumping_jacks"alias 0005 "e pushups"alias 0006 "e point"alias installemote "bind shift+b 0001 $$ bind w 0002 $$ bind shift+w 0003 $$ bind shift+j 0004 $$ bind shift+p 0005 $$ bind p 0006"Some links where people explained/detailed/experimented way better than I would ever be able to (some are a bit outdated as few commands have been deleted/created by the devs since):
https://jannenw.info/pages/other-info/aliases (:P)
https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/comment/12974287
https://neverwinter.fandom.com/wiki/User:Wendylblack/tricks
list of existing commands :
https://neverwinter.fandom.com/wiki/Console_command
Key binding and alias are not macros. I can tell the same key to perform 2 actions but one action will cancel the other action out. In short, I cannot set up combos to go off with one keystroke using the game system. The systems are in place for the users to set up some simple toggles and remap their keyboards.
However since the game has no anti-cheat in place, there is nothing stopping players from using 3D party programs. People can and probably do use macro mice and keyboards. People can set up much more advanced macro systems on their own, the only way they will be caught is bragging about it.
Be sure to let them know the day Cryptic starts using anti-cheat software.
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/bind F5 "+PowerMusicNoteExec 12 $$ +PowerMusicNoteExec 14 $$ +PowerMusicNoteExec 12 $$ +PowerMusicNoteExec 12 $$ +PowerMusicNoteExec 14 $$ +PowerMusicNoteExec 12"Hit Tab, Hit F5 => Song is played with all the benefits and procs of manual play.
No external programs, just ingame command line.
I agree, it is trivializing the bard gameplay : you don't have to remember the musical notes, the tablatures, nor actually play them accurately.
Neverwinter "bards" using auto-tune. Facetious modern reality when true talent is dissolved in the ocean of
indistinguishable mediocrity.
edit: but that can be patched. just enter a command which negates the buff if more than a certain amount of keys are not entered before the song is played. it may be included already if they know their stuff. anyone tested it?
Also, nobody was banned for using the target lock Exaltation command back in the day.
I am not sure Cryptic will ban for similar macros for songs... Except that these macros also proc the various passives and feats as though you inputted the command through manual play.
Note that not all the song macros work exactly as planned due to the macro type-in being too long for the chat window, but you can just use aliases to get around that problem... The songs already have an anti stalling measure in place: the notes will disappear after ~3 seconds if you don't finish a song.
And the disappearing notes won't matter because the given macros literally input all the notes so quick, you'd think a player was simultaneously inputting all 7 notes instantly.
The devs could theoretically ban players based off how fast they input the notes (ie, if the notes are registering within something like 0.0000001 seconds of each other, which is way beyond human input speed), but idk what their plans are.
At the moment, Bard is so fundamentally broken (in both senses) that I don't see how this class is ready to be shipped in 2 weeks. Macros are probably the least of their worries when you have buffs that don't work (which were reported several weeks ago but never fixed), decimal place errors causing tanks to gain 50%^3 damage resistance, being able to stack songs when you shouldn't, and so on.
I don't think it will work well, since on the legit side I can also move or press other non note keys, and on the other hand subvert the system easily.
Lets also be honest here, today every gaming mouse / keyboard comes with a macro software that allow for input recording with delay and all that needed. My ages old Logitech G700s has all that, and I think the performance MX, and mx1000 all had that too.
If the idea to minimize macros, the solution, imo, is random chains, but to late for that.
1. There are far too many mouse and keyboard drivers available with macro engines to ban users for using the pricey hardware. The way the anti-cheat programs work, it is up to the game publisher. If your keyboard or mouse is on their list, too bad for you.
2. These programs scan for "known" macro programs, it is again easier to make your own from scratch not using some common AHK or AutoIt 3 script but written in compiler. The known macros get banned and the unknowns get a pass.
3. Anti-cheat programs (both listed) can and have falsely banned users in the past, it is rare but it does happen. Hackers have attacked both of their servers and told the anti-cheat software to ban all the user playing the game. Programs are not perfect because those who wrote them are not gods.
4. What we are discussing is the impossible removal of a subsystem in chat, that subsystem is very "meaty" and should Cryptic get the wild notion to "repair it" because... someone said, they should? Well, you must trust them implicitly, they seem capable of fixing issues correct?
Meanwhile all of this seems rather petty, you are all on the same level of playing. If you put the line above or all the songs on a list to one key it, everyone has the option to do the same. You still cannot chain At-wills, Dailies, or Encounter powers.
I dropped in on preview to check that out myself. The cast time is key here, if the cast time is not instant, the chain is interrupted and only one power goes off. You really do not want them to add a cast time to entering each note! Six notes with any delay added could be disastrous and should the key lag you don't get the buff. The other option to them is to raise the access level of the keybind, but then all the notes will be fixed and you will not be allowed to move them elsewhere on your keyboard.
In the end, let's say Cryptic flawlessly removes your issue and everyone has to type in those 6 notes. The macros will win and people with macros will have the advantage over you. This means you fought and won the right for others to abuse the system. Congrats!
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1) It's been built into the game since it's beginnings
2) It highly likely falls under "old code", which means it's 99.9% off the table
3) Everything that everyone else has said.
4) Ask yourself exactly why you want it removed?
Usually it would be associated with an unfair gain, incase you didn't notice, there's literally no competition in this game, solo play is diminshed and you're left with co-op. No ones gaining any advantage over anyone else by using the in-game commands, whether they're bound or macro'd. The only time this would become relevant is if pvp was revived and fixed at which point it's highly likely the population will have diminshed to a point of not just not caring but even more irrelevant than it would be now.
oh nuts, I just posted a comment.
Just killing time...
Let's introduce duration and rythm rather than cast time :P.
Let the song be more or less powerful depending on how well you are close to the original music score.
And ban the players who are too often perfect in their song during fights.