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the1truehunter
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Fundamentally, AD must be removed from the game for it's true value to dip below the artificial cap in the ZAX. Based on casual observation, a key driver would have to be things with an expensive AD price tag that the most AD-wealthy players feel good about spending AD on yet don't significantly alter game balance, as well as more modestly-priced items for active, "middle-class" players. That's a difficult nut to crack.
The above represents the demand side of the economy.
Theoretically, one can also alter the supply side: Reduce AD rewards. That seems unworkable since it would take a very long time for enough AD to drain out of the economy to make a difference, and it would increase the wealth gap between old players and new.
It's an interesting perspective to alter exactly what you get in exchange for AD. It is thinking outside the box to be sure.
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If this system of Zen and X-Zen goes through, it will be interesting to see how it works.
Hopefully if the point behind this is to create more uses for AD, then I hope they can pad the AD Store with stuff. Appearance items, power-up consumables, and items like that. Right now there isn't a massive reason for most people to look at the AD Store, is there?
That would actually fix all those resellers that use ZAX to make more Zen/AD. It does not solve the problem what can you actually buy for each currency, but it really fixes those using ZAX to make profit.
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Zen should be for QoL items like VIP, bank slots, bags, etc.
And raising the ZAX max again, is a bad idea for new players, forcing them to pay a lot to catch up, because the prizes will raise again.
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Lets be honest, ZAX system work only if there are free ZEN in game.
Prior VIP system implementation, ZEN where optional currency. You could buy mounts, companions, refine realated stuffs and enchanted keys.
Now x10 encahnted keys costed and still do cost about same as 1 month VIP. And from that one month VIP you gain 30 keys.
Also enough look to enchanted keys prior VIP system and current ones.
There where less items in lockboxes. Also certain mounts could be obtained only via specific lockbox.
And RNG where way lesser that what we have now.
Once VIP got introduced, game got overflood with enchanted keys, which lead RNG increase in lockboxes. Which punish casual players, and in same moment DEMAND you to get more keys just to get anything worth from lockbox.
Also with VIP the other ZEN store stuffs become irrlevant. If we exclude WIngs from zen store, what other mounts or companions players buy? I dount anyone would buy from zen store companions at all.
AH is full of them and it's way cheaper than buy with zen.
Now there is solution how fix it. The classic way how other publishers where doing for years.
They where and still do sell VIP/premium services via their websites for real money.
Also, it allow them to controll what extra element they want include.
As example lets take winter event.
ViP + Winter exclusive mount/companion, or exclusive transmutes with effects or whatever other cosmetic stuff.
Also here is example how in other way can such system be use.
Here is image which I received in my email from my previous playe game.
The company offering discount for me<, if I would return back to game. And this is just one of example, I knew some of players in that game had even exclusive skins or exclusing titles.
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
Gustave Le Bon.
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m AD -> Zax -> n Zen -> Zen store item -> AH -> (m * (100 + x%) AD -> Zax -> n * (100 * x%) Zen -> Zen store item -> AH -> (m * (100 + x%) * (100 + xx%) AD -> Zax -> ........
It is an infinite loop. The more people doing this infinite loop, the longer the backlog.
The longer (but not extremely lone but long enough to make people to buy the overprice item from AH) the backlog, the more AD this infinite loop can generate.
There where and still are games who's have ZAX like system, there are who's don't have it. And games still healthy and active.
So ZAX system is not main thing in this game.
Also my suggestion that buy VIP/Premium services via website with real money is not new thing. This this methodology is being used for long time. One of my previously played game whom I started to play in 2005 had such system. And game is still operational. Also same stuffs are used not only in mmorpg but in mmo in general.
Now as your claim.
Well question for you, how's ZEN even get in ZAX system at all?
Someone spend real money for ZEN and then throw in ZAX. Also there are players who buy VIP with money. I mean they buy ZEN and gained ZEN spend for VIP and nothng else.
Also, ask yourself how many players do you think actually made ZEN via ZAX and how many actually spend real money for it.
IF you think bigger portion of playerbase make ZEN via ZAX then you are naive.
The game is just business, and it is about making money, if game would not make profit then it would not be operational (would be closed).
Now have you ever try ask question what is best way to spend zen? Most common answer is to buy VIP and don't waste on anything else.
The reason is that, it gives keys daily, also if you have ranked up you get discount in wondrous bazaar.
If by opening lockbox you get lucky, you may get valuable item which you may sell in AH and make decent profit from it.
If happens you where not lucky, well you go in safe road, which is buy refine realted stuffs from wondrous bazaar and sell in AH.
As example > buy mark of potency rank 6 from wondrous bazaar. For non VIP it will cost 75k ad, for VIP with 25% discount will cost only 50k.
Then list it in AH for like 73k, and you more less assured that no NonVIP player would try undercut you, also you secure that non VIP payers would buy from AH and not from wondrous bazaar.
And since game is very highly focused on refining items, so demands of them will never ends..
This is one of legal way to make profit, but now remember that are players who made AD with non legit ways.
Not all who exploited Barovia Hunts where banend, also there are who abused private Stornghold PVP for gaining refine stones( prior mod 15). And also made nice profit, there are who's exploited dungeons flaws, gained items and sold in AH, there are who exploited other game content flaws and also made profit.
The VIP got introduced in Fri 07 Aug 2015
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/9492533-neverwinter%253A-introducing-the-vip-program%2521
Before that, we played without VIP and to be fair, it was easier to get zen form ZAX. I mean each time I got discount zen store discount, and if I apply in ZAX in hours I would had convertion completed, or if bad at least in days.
Now you wait 6 months and in the end no convertion. Simply there are too little ZEN in whole system.
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
Gustave Le Bon.
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Thats true AD refine cap where way lesser, 20k to precise. Other thing remember that times where way too different, I mean players didn't simply buy/sell stuffs in AH. It was also active trading times. I want x item and you have it. So we have bargain, to what I can give you in exchange you would give me your item.
As for players did less alts, thats what you assuming. Have you forgot that from invoke you gained not only exp but also Coffer of Celestial Enchantments.
And players not only did multiple atls, but also since mod 6 started boting era. Did you forgot lines of bots running in Reclamation Rock?
Also bots used to farm enchantments rank 5? And reason cuz we had way different refining and upgrading system, and get refine points where way harder than how we getting now.
Also reason why there where less AD in mod 6 is that, with mod 6 not that players left cuz devs removed old ( original) neverwinter dungeons, but also that life steal got nerfed, stat formula changed and class: Paladin got introduced.
Players prior mod 6 relayed on sets like Fabled Iliyanbruen or as example for warlock T2 set where
2 Piece Bonus: +450 Recovery
4 Piece Bonus: Your encounter powers trigger Hellfire on foes. Hellfire last 6 seconds, and when it expires they take 3% of their Max HP in damage (Max 2000 Max).
Notes: Each tick of encounter powers (Dreadtheft and Blades of Vanquished Armies for example), produce a stack of Hellfire. Hellfire can stack up to 50 times. This will be a major source of your damage.
But with mod 6 release and life steal nerf, it was too harsh to relay on these sets, they where OK in boss fights, but in dungeon runs you where killed easily. So players had to rebuild their toons, which costed lot of AD.
Also have you forgot the old refinament and upgrading system? The different catalistts required for upgrading, and even that for upgrading like radiant enchantent rank 7 to rank 8 costed not only catalists like [Greater Mark of Power] [Greater Mark of Stability] and also x2 or x3 radiant stones of rank 7.
The times where way different.
So it was not like game relayed on few players with high AD sums, they left and all broke. But simply lot of AD's where spend to rework characters, and there where little to no spare ones.
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
Gustave Le Bon.
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After mod 6, there was less AD. More AD needed to spend. The demand of AD was much higher. Hence, Zax was better for the AD seller.
Also in mod 6 where times when ZEN price even dropped. There where cases that it dropped at 450:1.
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.
Gustave Le Bon.
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