FEEDBACK on the new dungeon rewards system - Mounts and Companions should be unbound

carloswartune

I've recently read about the upcoming changes to the dungeon rewards (https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/11478743-dungeon-premium-drops).

Overall, I think they're pretty good but there's one thing I think you should reconsider: Mounts and companions should not be account bound as they are in this proposal, because:
- Someone can get unneeded companions and mounts and "be stuck" with them and;
- Someone who doesn't get the companion or mount would be forced to go though a very frustrating grind or paying a very large amount of AD for the unbound versions that only come from old lockboxes and the like

Having bound RNG drops is a very frustrating experience due to these reasons, and that's why we specifically asked on the CDP that RNG rewards should either 1) have a guaranteed way to be obtained in addition to the RNG or 2) be unbound.

I still think the changes are good, but this would make them considerably better.

kierlakx

This change just about removes any ability for players to get any AD beyond the daily cap, unless they are reselling Zen market or lockbox items.

plasticbat

kierlakx said:

This change just about removes any ability for players to get any AD beyond the daily cap, unless they are reselling Zen market or lockbox items.

Did you read the link? One of the drop is refined AD. That is outside of the daily AD refinement cap. Of course, unless the AD are account bound (since it said everything are account bound except the legendary mount) but I don't know what that would mean.

justtester

I agree. I already have a lot of account bound companions from dungeon chest which are just takes the space because I don't want discard them but I also have no use for them right now. We also have a lot of bound stuff from Juma's bags.

Why duplicating things again and again when you can just allow people to sell things to someone who actually needs them and feel yourself fully satisfied for finishing a group content and getting some luck today.

icekoob

This is completely ridiculous. Make companions and mounts unbound or people will start leaving the game in droves. You are killing the F2P aspect of the game.

justtester

plasticbat said:

Did you read the link? One of the drop is refined AD. That is outside of the daily AD refinement cap.

The quiestion is how big these amount of ad will be, will they ever depend from a difficulty of content and how often we will ever see them.

icekoob

justtester#3228 said:

plasticbat said:

Did you read the link? One of the drop is refined AD. That is outside of the daily AD refinement cap.

The quiestion is how big these amount of ad will be, will they ever depend from a difficulty of content and how often we will ever see them.

We will never get 1+ million ad from a chest, which is the equivalent to selling for example a Xuna you got with a reroll.

the1truehunter

I have another pov regarding unbound mounts or companions. Every item spins around Auction House and having unbound items with a higher chance to drop in dungeons/skirmishes/trials will make the market crash in terms of value sooner than later. So in my oppinion it would be ok if they have a higher chance to drop and any of these items would have the option to be converted into some shards or seals that can be exchanged for the desired prize at npc. Let s say I drop 10 random mounts that I don`t need and all are bound to account. Each one have a different tier (common, epic, rare). I can salvage each one for a certain number of shards (let s say 1 for common, 3 for rare, 5 for epic) and the cost of the mounts should have also a price matching their tier (let s say an epic Black Owlbear that costs 50 shards). This way you avoid the Auction House, the frustration behind undercuting and devaluating an item and the fee or 10% tax + waiting time to be sold. I rather have them bound to account and have them in the final chests than having them unbound and at a lower chance to drop.
But as I said this is just my opinion.

birdman1189

Don’t get me wrong I’m happy to finally see them address loot. But this system is not ideal in the slightest. Yes the additions of items like Trade Bars, Wards, and Tokens are nice don’t get me wrong. The thing is removing Epic quality items such as mounts and companions and even artifacts (which I didn’t see mentioned will be returning) and on top of that making ALL except the Legendary Bound is a HUGE step in the wrong direction. The Tradehouse will crash if not dry up since the only stuff there will be from people trying to recover funds used on lock boxes and zen store which seems to be the only way to get anything worthwhile that’s unbound. Overall I hope they address the items being Bound and Removal of Epic items before this goes live or at the least fix it soon after.

carloswartune

birdman1189#9724 said:

Don’t get me wrong I’m happy to finally see them address loot. But this system is not ideal in the slightest. Yes the additions of items like Trade Bars, Wards, and Tokens are nice don’t get me wrong. The thing is removing Epic quality items such as mounts and companions and even artifacts (which I didn’t see mentioned will be returning) and on top of that making ALL except the Legendary Bound is a HUGE step in the wrong direction. The Tradehouse will crash if not dry up since the only stuff there will be from people trying to recover funds used on lock boxes and zen store which seems to be the only way to get anything worthwhile that’s unbound. Overall I hope they address the items being Bound and Removal of Epic items before this goes live or at the least fix it soon after.

If I understand the changes correctly, the Artifacts from dungeons are not part of the premium category and they were not removed like the mounts and companions were in the last patch. I agree with the other points.

plasticbat

Based on this brief description, I have no problem with that. I will just find different ways to earn AD from AH as I have kept switching many times in the past. It will still be F2P for me.

My main concern and burning question is: what will AD worth? Will it worth anything if there is less to buy and more refined AD available? Will people need to care about AD anymore?

kierlakx

plasticbat said:

kierlakx said:

This change just about removes any ability for players to get any AD beyond the daily cap, unless they are reselling Zen market or lockbox items.

Did you read the link? One of the drop is refined AD. That is outside of the daily AD refinement cap. Of course, unless the AD are account bound (since it said everything are account bound except the legendary mount) but I don't know what that would mean.

An epic mount, or a Batiri, or something along those lines, would be 300k+ AD. We'll be lucky if the AD drops will be 3000. Probably closer to 1000 AD.

forumaccount

I have to agree. Having companions bound is a stupid idea. Let's say I'm looking for a specific companion am I supposed to farm dungeons a thousand times and use a bunch of reroll tokens to get it? Not beeing able to buy them freely on the auction house is really bad. Sure there will still be a few from lockboxes but there also are a ton of companions that aren't in lokcboxes or are in lockboxes that are so old thta no one opens them anymore. Especially if newer boxes will continue to have mythic mounts compared to the old boxes with legendary ones.

jimmypdt

Wow first they make a solo player event. Now they are making almost everything BTA. Honestly at this point it seems they are turning this MMO into a single player game. I'm shocked I tell you, Shocked... Well not really...

All the best,

OPTank_

iandarksword

Having unbound companion and mount drops didn't just push Auction House sales, it also allowed guild mates to give mounts and companions to guild mates in need. It allowed more casual folks that work jobs and don't have 24/7 to grind dungeons a way to get certain needed items. The game is going to become more and more unfriendly to casual players, and it will suffer for it.

carloswartune

UPDATE: I've ran Demogorgon since they enabled the premium rewards and I received an unbound rare (blue) Watler (augment companion). Maybe they don't consider companions and mounts "premium" and so they aren't bound as I initially thought (or maybe they changed it last minute due to the feedback).

Anyone else received unbound companions or mounts since the drops were enabled?

auron

honestly making them all bound on pickup is a terrable idea and will only hurt the game.

If they decide to keep things this way then they need to add an item to the zen store that can unbind items.

I get the whole bots farming ad thing but this is not the way to be going about it.

unknowndrama

Old epic quality items such as mounts and companions and even artifacts got removed from game and the new green rare quality bound to account got added.... wow how did i miss this so...it seems more like a nerf to game then a improvement to loot ..i dont count that you can pull a legendary mount account becose whats the chance 0.0000001?..is this true or not..

thefiresidecat

this should be a big thread full of righteous indignation so maybe they put epic mounts and comps back alogn with green and blue as UNBOUND drops. the changes would be nice if that part had been unchanged. I'm fine with wards and stuff being bound. fine ok. but comps and mounts should be free to trade and sell. and they should STILL drop. telling cryptic what we want is like the genies wish. they take what you want and put a thorn in it that makes it worse than what you had before hand.

I personally would rather it went back to what it was before hand if it doesnt have unbound drops. i'd rather have fairly regular 500k drops than a drop I see maybe 1 every year or two for a leg drop.

this change is a bad thing if it includes this nerf. a good thing if it doesn't.

fuxion

If I'm correct in my opinion of what i think cryptic is trying to do going forward then i will say this ,

I think the new system is and will be much better in general especially and as long as if the droprate is good cause then we don't have to grind years to get ad .. you go farm the gear you need ... for convenience most generic gear, mounts and companions should be on zen market but not at a ridiculous price i like the new changes tbh ... the ad required in the past to get some gear from AH was killing the game for most of the players that don't grind 100 hours a day (yes 100 hourts cause thats what it felt like)

People should just stop and think before saying the changes are stupid ...

To move away from AD imo is best thing ever .. some AD reward yes but only for the items available on AH but not on Zen Market cause you cant put every piece of item there.

In the past we farmed ad to get items , fashion , gear, mounts etc etc right and it took years and a few lifetimes to buy a for example a leg mount posted for 100 mil ad lol ... like faqdawhat ?

The new stuff on Zen market is great and should be like it is ...available for convenience sake which alot of people will enjoy ... cause this game could've been called The Farm because of the time one had to spend to farm ad ..

farming/grinding AD is NOT fun ! its boring and repetitive and if cryptic is moving away from this and would rather give us cool new and interesting content to play the game would be alot more enjoyable

Some wont agree cause you get Farmers and Hunters.

The focus should shift to playing the game NOT farming the game !

carloswartune

Ok, just like a said in my previous update:
Apparently companions and mounts can drop up to epic and are not bound like I initially thought. This did not change from the previous behavior. They probably aren't considered "premium items". Or they gave up in the "let's have everything bound" idea. Who knows.

fuxion#7775 said:

I think the new system is and will be much better in general especially and as long as if the droprate is good cause then we don't have to grind years to get ad .. you go farm the gear you need ... for convenience most generic gear, mounts and companions should be on zen market but not at a ridiculous price i like the new changes tbh ... the ad required in the past to get some gear from AH was killing the game for most of the players that don't grind 100 hours a day (yes 100 hourts cause thats what it felt like)

The system would not be better if companions and mounts up to epic were bound for a very simple reason that you aren't considering in your post: the RNG. The companion and mount (up to epic) drops aren't dungeon-specific, you can't farm a certain dungeon for a certain companion or mount. This means you may farm forever and not get what you want, just other trash that isn't relevant for you. Just to give you an idea, I have been playing this game extensively for almost 2 years and I never got Quickling as a drop. It was an interesting companion for healers on PC before M18. If companions were all bound to account, I would not be able to get it at all. But they weren't bound, so I was able to use the AD I got from my own drops to buy the companion I really wanted, instead of just being frustrated by a bunch of useless companions I didn't want nor was able to sell.

But anyway, there is no reason to discuss this anymore because they apparently didn't change the bind status. I was able to confirm this with companions, they still drop unbound. If anyone can confirm that mounts (up to epic) still drop unbound too, that would be lovely.

forumaccount

Today I got a green mount that was unbound after I picked it up.

thefiresidecat

I've been running a fair amount of dungeons and to me over all it feels nerfed. the new stuff that drops is underwhelming. and the old stuff that used to drop that had some value seems far less likely. normally even if it was a bad comp or mount with the amount i've ran in the last couple days, I'd have seen one. I haven't. just a lot of crappy 1 pres ward, 1 genie 5000k I reroll em hoping for better. it feels like getting coal for christmas. what are you going to do with 1 pres ward?

kierlakx

With the pitiful amounts of these items that we are getting, on the excessively rare occasion that they do actually drop, the drop rate could literally be 100% and it would still take 2 years to get any amount worth taking note of. Two pres wards out of 75 chests? Eight trade bars out of 75 chests? This game will be shut down long before you ever get enough of either of those to even try to do anything with them.

You could triple the drop rate and no one would even be able to notice.

kendric98

1 res scroll, 5 mount tokens doing rnd daily dungeons. I spoke to alliance members that did multiple tomm runs and all she recieved was the normal dungeon rings.