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eyebreaker7eyebreaker7 Posts: 558Member Arc User
Really would like to increase my strength for my paladin. 8? Really? He's the front line. He should have a real good strength :(
I'm gonna rip your head off and make it my puppet! (NwN2)

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  • plasticbatplasticbat Posts: 6,921Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    edited February 5
    If your paladin is supposed to be a tank, he needs CON more than STR.
    On the other hand, the attributes are not that important now. What you care should be individual stat such as HP, Defense, ...
    Since you are new, you don't really care any of these until you re-spec it in level 70 to 80.
  • greywyndgreywynd Posts: 4,425Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    A tank gets the attention. He is not the main damage dealer.
    Better to be a white knight than a knight with no honor.

    With your shield or on it.
  • krumple01krumple01 Posts: 702Member Arc User

    Really would like to increase my strength for my paladin. 8? Really? He's the front line. He should have a real good strength :(

    Yeah pretty much the Devs don't understand what makes D&D great. They basically rendered attribute points obsolete so even though you have 8 strength its not much different than another character that has 20 strength.

    I hate to be the barer of bad news, its just how it is current. Shameful and disappointing. So don't worry too much about it and instead focus on the attributes that actually help you do what the class is "meant" to do. Paladin actually benefit more by higher base health than having high strength.

  • callumf#9018 callumf Posts: 1,216Member Arc User
    krumple01 said:

    Really would like to increase my strength for my paladin. 8? Really? He's the front line. He should have a real good strength :(

    Yeah pretty much the Devs don't understand what makes D&D great. They basically rendered attribute points obsolete so even though you have 8 strength its not much different than another character that has 20 strength.

    I hate to be the barer of bad news, its just how it is current. Shameful and disappointing. So don't worry too much about it and instead focus on the attributes that actually help you do what the class is "meant" to do. Paladin actually benefit more by higher base health than having high strength.

    This quoted for the truth.
  • kharkov58kharkov58 Posts: 258Member Arc User
    And since no one else pointed it out to you, a paladins damage bonus comes from INT, not STR.
  • sandukutupusandukutupu Posts: 1,503Member Arc User
    The question was, "Is there any way to increase stats other than the bonuses you get when you hit certain levels?"

    The answer is a definite yes. There is artifact gear that will give you +1 to +4 to your stats. For example Belt of Wisdom is an old one, newer ones can be found such as Trobriand's Conduction Cable and the Mirror-Plated Belt only pump up 2 stats for +2. To up your Strength stat, Girdle of Strength is +4 at orange rank. I just checked and the Greater Girdle of Strength at purple rank gives you +3, saving you all that refinement and you can get it for 8,000 to 9,000 AD in the Auction House.
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  • jaggid#6299 jaggid Posts: 5Member New User
    edited February 11
    For healing you want WIS and DEX, for Tanking you want INT and CON, I'm pretty sure. For a SOLO healing dps build, you want INT and DEX.
    CON is semi-useful for all 3, as it helps with how much you can block.
    Strength, on the other hand, is not all that important for a paladin....pretty sure no good paladin in the game adds level up attribute points to it and if you have, you want to redo that.
  • jaggid#6299 jaggid Posts: 5Member New User
    edited February 11
    Ooops, double post.
  • wintersmokewintersmoke Posts: 1,488Member Arc User
    https://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Owlbear_Leather_Belt_of_Intelligence

    Here is a link to an item that boosts INT score. In game you can hit CTRL + J to open up the collections page. Under artifacts you can see what other bonuses are available
  • eyebreaker7eyebreaker7 Posts: 558Member Arc User
    kharkov58 said:

    And since no one else pointed it out to you, a paladins damage bonus comes from INT, not STR.

    So even if I'm a paladin, barbarian or fighter (or any class really) strength means nothing? My damage will come from intelligence instead? I can see that as a mage but ALL classes even melee?

    I'm gonna rip your head off and make it my puppet! (NwN2)
  • zimxero#8085 zimxero Posts: 453Member Arc User
    edited February 14

    kharkov58 said:

    And since no one else pointed it out to you, a paladins damage bonus comes from INT, not STR.

    So even if I'm a paladin, barbarian or fighter (or any class really) strength means nothing? My damage will come from intelligence instead? I can see that as a mage but ALL classes even melee?

    Each "+1" in strenth gives you a .25% damage bonus. This means a strength of 28 gives you a 7% damage bonus. While this is good to have, you need to put it in perspective of stats.

    If your character has 0 power, it deals 100% damage (just normal)
    If your character has 7,000 power, it deals 7% extra damage. (107% total)
    If your character has 150,000 power, it deals 150% extra damage (250% total)

    On top of this.. if you deal a crit and have 100% crit severity it doubles total damage
    On top of this... if you have 100,000 combat advantage and gain advantage.. it doubles total damage

    In the end... the 7% damage bonus from strength is a side note, not a priority.
  • kharkov58kharkov58 Posts: 258Member Arc User
    No, strength only gives damage bonus to physical damage. Paladins do radiant damage. Check your powers. Radiant damage is magical damage. Magical damage is increased by INT.
  • finmakinfinmakin Posts: 287Member Arc User
    Are we talking here about a tank Paladin or a Hybrid semi tank/dps build.

    In case of a Hybrid I would go for INT and CHA, but be aware that you might start getting issues in endgame content with this setup.
    Since I am an old school player and have the opinion that a tank should stick to his/her role for tanking purposes (read aggro management and survivalbillity) I go for STR and CHA.
    My reasoning is the extra HP which comes from CHA, and the extra Stamina regen which comes from STR.. especially the Stamina part wil become increasingly important in cases where frequently massive incoming damage needs to absorbed (ToMM and TIC)

    sincerely, an old dwarf
    Ogguk Sanctus… Justicar Paladin
    Puny Tank

    Guildleader of NWLC Alpha
  • eyebreaker7eyebreaker7 Posts: 558Member Arc User
    WOW they have totally screwed with the abilities. Str = stamina regen? Shouldn't it be Con that does that?
    Extra HP are also from Cha and ,again, not Con?
    Paladins & clerics want Int not Wis.
    Str doesn't really matter for damage.
    What the heck are these devs thinking? Have they ever played D&D? Some of the racial bonuses don't make sense either. A 1/2-orc get Dex and a choice of Str or Con? Last I knew they started with Con not Dex.
    Oh well, guess I'll just have to play and imagine it ISN'T a D&D game so I don't feel so bad :(
    I'm gonna rip your head off and make it my puppet! (NwN2)
  • eyebreaker7eyebreaker7 Posts: 558Member Arc User
    Forgot to mention, I've ditched the paladin and am playing a barbarian, s ranger, and a rogue on and off.
    I'm gonna rip your head off and make it my puppet! (NwN2)
  • finmakinfinmakin Posts: 287Member Arc User
    I need to correct my post. my apollogize
    STR (Physical damage boost and Stamina regen)
    CON (HP and AP regen)

    I made mistake on the CON part
    Ogguk Sanctus… Justicar Paladin
    Puny Tank

    Guildleader of NWLC Alpha
  • zimxero#8085 zimxero Posts: 453Member Arc User

    WOW they have totally screwed with the abilities. Str = stamina regen? Shouldn't it be Con that does that?
    Extra HP are also from Cha and ,again, not Con?
    Paladins & clerics want Int not Wis.
    Str doesn't really matter for damage.
    What the heck are these devs thinking? Have they ever played D&D? Some of the racial bonuses don't make sense either. A 1/2-orc get Dex and a choice of Str or Con? Last I knew they started with Con not Dex.
    Oh well, guess I'll just have to play and imagine it ISN'T a D&D game so I don't feel so bad :(

    I agree completely. They were all changed recently to devalu their affect on overall player performance. In the rushed process, I think they did what they did in order to make each stat approximately "equal" in value, rather than logical.
  • kharkov58kharkov58 Posts: 258Member Arc User
    I have checked all the powers for Justicar Paladin and every one that deals damage deals radiant damage. I assume healer paladin is the same. So Paladins get zero damage bonus from strength.
  • tribbulatertribbulater Posts: 140Member Arc User
    Yes they totally screwed with abilities. A couple mods ago I guess the goal was "we don't want some players doing 500 times more damage than other players" and also "we want people to be more focused on gear and companions than their character". So they did a "New Neverwinter - everyone is unique but also exactly the same" re-write where you no longer got to choose your starting stats (everyone gets the same start, + those 2 attributes you can add), character attributes (STR, DEX etc.) were nerfed into oblivion (+1 stat point gives you like one quarter of one percent improvement), and everyone was scaled to the same level for the same content. They also removed most of the feats and abilities you could use to customize your character.

    So much for the entire basis of D&D being "make your own character, your own way, and play it your way".

    Then a mod or two later they decided companions were too powerful also and nerfed the hell out of those, so now it's pretty much just all about your gear.
  • krumple01krumple01 Posts: 702Member Arc User

    Then a mod or two later they decided companions were too powerful also and nerfed the hell out of those, so now it's pretty much just all about your gear.

    Gear yes sort of. I say about 75% of your characters ability come from bonding stones and companion gear. Try running content without bondings and you'll notice a massive difference in performance. It's such a huge focus yet new players aren't even aware of them or how important they are. I've been in random queues where we asked a new player what rank bondings they had and their response was, "What are bondings?" They were in lomm. This should NEVER occur. Yet it did.

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